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jaruis · 1 month

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A requiem from thou to thee

To herd two birds with one Chainsaw Man.

#chainsaw man #nayuta #barem #fumiko mifune #asa mitaka #fami #yoru #chainsaw man 154 #csm 154 #chainsaw man 158 #csm 158 #guillotine devil #haruka #miri sugo

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sugar-grigri · 8 months

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It's all about the number 2

Asa and Yoru, Nayuta and Denji, two Chainsaw Man, two camps of worshippers versus detractors, two protagonists, a second part, the two identities of Denji, a high-school student and a hero himself, both demon and human: Chainsaw - Man.

But before we balance all that, let's take a closer look at this chapter.

First of all, I'd like to say how rich chapter 140 is. I see a lot of people criticizing Fujimoto's writing as someone who simply sets up absurd situations when absolutely nothing is left to chance. We're reading a manga by a film buff, so get your head around Chekov's rifle.

I'd like to remind you that Chainsaw Man is set in Japanese society.

Ejecting a sect from a building, or even belonging to a cult that has nothing to do with a dominant, ancestral religion, is more common than in the West.

I've seen plenty of people wondering who could be at the head of the church for making people believe such a stupid story as a violet-ray weapon that would make adults stupid.

When it's the other way around, the church is exploiting the fact that high-school students are just thinking too much. And if there's one thing that saves Denji, it's that he thinks less.

Let's put things in context: this is the '90s, and even if the idea of nuclear weapons has been erased by Pochita, meaning that the Cold War has surely taken a different form in Chainsaw Man, Fujimoto has never denied geopolitical tensions.

Whether it's the mention of the USSR with Reze, Makima's instrumentalization of Japan, the history of weapons, the fact that the American government sought to eliminate Makima or that countries share the remains of the weapon demon...

Countries are in tension. The church exploits this atmosphere of anxiety among teenagers who are beginning to form opinions that dissent from their parents.

Adolescence means coming into conflict with your parents' ideas, so come up with a story about how a gun makes them stupid. It's simply targeted manipulation that exploits the vulnerabilities of individuals in the midst of an identity crisis.

Becoming a teenager also means freeing oneself from a certain carefree attitude and better understanding of the world around us, hence the mention of Americans on the same level as adults.

I'd like to point out that this is not just a collection of absurdities. But for that, a bit of history... I hope I'm not teaching anyone that Japanese society has been turned upside down by the United States.

Without going into too much detail, during the 19th century, Japan went through the Meiji era. The Meiji government pursued a policy of modernization with the ultimate aim of bringing Japan up to the level of the Western powers.

To compete with Western powers such as the United States, the government relied on centralized power to control citizens as much as possible... and this involved reforming the matrimonial system. With the popularization of "love marriage", the Meiji government changed tactics: the polygamous system was replaced by exclusive "love marriage".

The church used the same method of control as the Meiji government: reforming the matrimonial system by overturning institutions. From now on, it's no longer sex after marriage, but before it.

It's this kind of talk that just digs into the cracks that allows them to be brainwashed. But talk has never worked with Denji, who thinks concretely with what he can grasp. A date with a pretty girl, steak, sex, feeling the buttocks when he does the chair. What one would point to as perversity is what saves Denji. He thinks through his senses, his literal needs, not the abstract.

We can't say that Miri, who thinks he's free when he's being instrumentalized, repeating that it's the Americans' fault again, or asking Chainsaw Man if he's sure he hasn't picked up any ultraviolet weapons... that he’s stupid. Because weapons have lost their memory, they have no loved ones, no stories to refer to.

Miri convinces himself he's free, filling the void of his own forgotten history with false stories. The lack of education, of pillars, of history is what had tortured Denji, who was so easily manipulated. I'd go so far as to say that Reze is the most striking example of this.

It's impossible to determine Barem's psychology, but he still demonstrates a third reaction to manipulation: while Denji evolves, Miri locks himself in denial : Barem manipulates in return. Revenge, reproductive mechanism, any number of reasons could explain why Barem exploits one of Denji's weaknesses: Asa.

Now you're thinking, yes, that's all very well, you talk a lot... but what's that got to do with the number two?

The scale is the very image of dichotomy, of a relationship between two forces, two weights, two entities. And what does it have to do with manipulation? Several things.

First of all, manipulation also means taking on ideas that are not our own. It means no longer questioning them, confronting them with dissident ideas that would contradict them, or balancing them.

To balance is also to confront two options in a dilemma. Something that's come up several times, first initiated by Yoshida, then taken up in his own way by Barem: embrace his identity as Chainsaw Man or continue his normal life as Denji?

The manipulation since the start of Part 2 has been to split up Chainsaw Man. To have separated what constitutes his essence: human and demonic. To have split his nature, which has always been that of two beings in one.

And what if I told you that the answer lies in chapter 2 (yes, man). Here, Makima clearly explains to Denji that Pochita is not dead but continues to live with him, that he has two smells.

Fami's project is openly to separate Chainsaw Man, to cut its essence in two: the reunion of two beings.

That's why this chapter talks about marriage, which refers to the reunion of two individuals.

Barem would have us believe that these two choices are antinomic, that they are contradictory and cannot be fulfilled together. Only Denji can have both choices, he had already answered that. His sign of strength is two fingers. Two is Denji's strength. Becoming two is what literally allowed him to be reborn.

Of course, Denji doesn't want to marry; he's already one with one being through a contract: Pochita.

Pochita had merged with him so that he could live a normal life. It was never a normal life, but the life Denji wanted to live. Chainsaw Man is literally the means, a better life, the end.

The secret to surviving the manipulation then lies literally in Denji's heart.

#chainsaw man #csm #csm part 2 #csm spoilers #csm 140 #my thoughts #denji #yoru #asa #nayuta #makima #miri sugo #barem #reze

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otrebot · 3 months

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Hybrids

A History of Weapons

#my art #csm #chainsaw man #whip and spear again #barem #quanxi

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pockethep · 5 months

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FUCK BAREM. THIS IS NOW A BAREM HATE PAGE. This is more evil than the orphanage lady killed Asa’s cat in her backstory. If Meowy got hurt in that fire it’s over and, aside from Nayuta, those dogs were quite literally the only good thing Makima left behind. Even the apartment was bought with Aki’s money. The last remnants of Part 1 are now possibly ashes.

With everything from his “normal life” gone Denji deserves to snap. For someone who wants Denji to transform in to Chainsaw man so bad he better be ready…

Cause it’s coming.

#FUCK THIS GUY #I WANT HIM GONE #chainsaw man #csm #chainsaw man spoilers #chainsaw man part 2 #chainsaw man manga spoilers #chainsaw man chapter 150 #csm 150 #denji hayakawa #denji #Barem #barem bridge #this is so sick and twisted we went from #turn into chainsaw man and we kill Nayuta to don’t turn and we burn your apartment and animals to the ground

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therealsoulking · 5 months

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MANIFESTING MANIFESTING MANIFESTING MANIFESTING

credit to @0trebot on Twitter

#chainsaw man #denji #barem #kishibe #meowy #makima's dogs #manga

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rakruined · 6 months

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And with 146, it all falls into place

So much of part 2 has finally clicked after this latest chapter. The reason behind the Chainsaw Man Church, the reason Fami approached Asa and Yoru, the Justice Devil's true identity... everything's definitely starting to make sense.

While I'm not entirely positive why fire can transform people (something to do with forging things in flame?), the fact that it gets more powerful the more people it transforms, in addition to being less controllable in greater numbers, definitely reflects wildfires. Maybe the transformation reflects how large scale fires transform landscapes and burn away the old and dead to make way for the new?

At any rate, the emphasis on marriage with the CSM Church now makes total sense, as it would ultimately be a form of contract stealthily made with the Fire Devil. With those numbers, Fami's true goal may be well within grasp.

And that's to kill the Death Devil!!! I guess anyone who was theorizing the eldest sister was already in the story was way off the mark, given that she's now (presumably) the big bad. Of course, this being Chainsaw Man I doubt it'll be that simple, but still. It also now makes total sense that Fami's been messing with Denji and Asa all along, as well as why Nayuta went along with most of it.

This is such a great way to shift the whole meaning of the story. Suddenly our two protagonists, who've been unknowingly at odds for so long, are the last hope to defeat Death. Heh, that's funny. Remember when Yoshida asked Denji if he could erase Death? I wonder what he's up to right-

Oh. OH. And Yoru is about to get a massive power boost from all that fear. Oh.

Well, RIP Octopus Boy. I'm not gonna lie, unless you have some way of escaping real fast, I don't think you're surviving this one.

#I'm so fucking HYPED #chainsaw man #csm spoilers #chainsaw man 146 #csm 146 #fami #mifune fumiko #barem #nayuta #the death devil #denji #hirofumi yoshida #asa mitaka #yoru

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bradsmindbrain · 8 months

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Honestly, Barem Has Been Hella Sus Even Back in Part 1

Like, looking back at it, he came off as… odd, compared to the other Hybrids under Makima’s control.

In chapter 86 when the Hybrids first appear, they all compliment Makima or otherwise state their desire to have her or impress her. But here’s the thing.

A closer look shows that Barem doesn’t do this, he’s the only one to not make his admiration of her known, he just states that everyone else does. This seems like a small thing, but one of the most common forms of Makima’s influence is an unexplainable admiration and attraction towards her, with Aki and the other Hybrids being prime examples. So, I know what you’re thinking, “so you’re insinuating that Barem wasn’t under Makima’s control based on one line of dialogue?” Well, here’s the thing, this odd behavior is not a one-off occurrence.

In chapter 94, while the zombies and other Hybrids are fighting Pochita, Barem is hanging back with Makima and directly speaks to her, and she explains to him why Pochita is weaker. If he was under Makima’s control this conversation probably wouldn’t have happened, he’d be attacking with the rest of them, she wouldn’t explain it to him because as he’s under her control, she doesn’t need to explain anything. Now, it could be argued that he’s hanging back because he’s a ranged fighter, but Reze, Quanxi, and Spear Man all went in closer to attack, and they’re all primarily ranged fighters. And even if that was the reason, there would have been no reason to have this conversation with Makima.

To me, it seems that he was going along with Makima willingly, at least to the point where Makima felt she didn’t to exert full control over him. I have the suspicion he’s going along with Fami as well, though he might not know the full scope of her plans given his suggestion to kill Asa when Fami’s entire plan hinges on her. I guess only time will tell if this theory holds any water.

#barem #flamethrower man #flamethrower hybrid #chainsaw man #csm #my stuff #rambles

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sioboi · 4 months

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barem wants denji to be chainsaw man just like how makima did. but barem doesn’t understand makima. not like how pochita did. pochita knows that deep down, what the control devil wanted was an equal. someone to love her

it is so so wicked how he insults and belittles nayuta, makima’s reincarnation. nayuta is the control devil raised in an environment where she could be loved, where she could go to school, eat all the food she wants. however that isn’t the version of the control devil that barem loves, and so he hates her for it.

the parallels between makima and baremmm ugh. the way they both hurt and use what they view as a lesser, incomplete version of the thing that they worship. it’s so evil and so fascinating

#so many thoughts. thank u fujimoto for giving me something to think about this is my favorite activity #other #csm #chainsaw man #csm meta #csm spoilers #barem #makima #barem bridge #nayuta csm #barem csm #makima csm

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voydcat · 4 months

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So our least favorite heavy flamer says he isn’t sure if he’s still under Makima’s compulsion or if he’s just that devoted to her.

Well, I’ll tell you the answer straight away: it’s the latter.

Remember what Aki said back in Part 1? A Devil’s power, and everything affected by it, fades upon death. Makima is dead, so all of her slaves should be free. And we know this, because Quanxi is on our side now.

So Barem is just this loyal to a dead woman, still carrying on in the manner he thinks she’d want, because he was so enraptured by her and her vision for the world.

I still hate him, but you gotta (begrudgingly) respect the dedication.

#barem #barem csm #barem bridge #chainsaw man part 2 #chainsaw man spoilers #chainsaw man #flamethrower man #makima

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jaruis · 8 months

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Nayuta of the Mobility

#chainsaw man #chainsaw man 142 #csm142 #denji #nayuta #fumiko mifune #barem

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sugar-grigri · 2 months

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Denji is awake, Asa is already inside and Yoshida is Chainsaw Man's ally

We interpreted the last chapter in reverse, so why not continue the exercise?

I haven't read any reaction, but I know in advance that Yoshida will be shown in the same way: as a cold being always there to make Denji's situation worse. But the observation is quite the opposite: he's the one who's constantly negotiated for his situation. Worse still, interpreting him as an ally makes everything absolutely clearer.

I know what I'm saying may come as a surprise, after all, he's the one who announced Denji's dismemberment and doesn't seem to be doing anything to stop it. But don't interpret things that way, the whole answer is in the title.

The title refers to the ambient sounds of Denji's dismemberment, having no words at all, whereas titles usually refer to the dialogue in the chapter. Why is this? Because the answers are in the scenery and the unspoken words.

For example, the answers lie in the questions that seem to be answers (stay focused): for example, we learn that Denji slept for a week… OK… but why exactly did they let him sleep for a week ? The protagonist asks Yoshida: why didn't you wake me up before?

In addition : why wake him now?

The chapter deliberately focuses on a cold Yoshida, who announces that he's put him back to sleep. But why wake him up to tell him all this and then put him back to sleep? After all, the contract had already been broken, Denji couldn't negotiate.

Because it's been a week since Yoshida negotiated to give Denji one last chance. In any case, the time that has elapsed shows that there have been negotiations about what to do with this out-of-control Chainsaw Man. Why is Yoshida doing this? Because more and more, he starts trying to protect him, even though he's supposed to control him. We'll see that his principles and his own way of surviving will also be increasingly undermined.

Yoshida knows that Asa has a connection with devils, whether it was when he prevented Denji from revealing his identity after fighting Yuko or or when he assisted Yoru during the aquarium arc. Telling her to stay away from Denji was a means of protection, as he knew that she was a disruptive element, which could lead Denji to either reveal his identity or transform and thus put himself in danger.

In chapter 132, Yoshida appeared in an extremely dominant position with a bound Denji, with Yoshida looking almost antagonistic. But in reality, the direct consequence of Yoshida's intervention was an equal negotiation around a table about Nayuta and being Chainsaw Man in the chapter 133 that followed. Above all, Yoshida presented himself as a malevolent force when, in reality, Nayuta arrived earlier than expected, a sign that she was safe and already freed.

Above all, we know that there is a mole because the information leaked to the detriment of the church, the public hunters were aware of the attack to the point that Quanxi stopped it before it went off at 5pm. Worse than a leak, there was an exchange of information because the church was not at all destabilised and had already planned its response with the fire demon.

If you're still not convinced: then interpret Fumiko as the strict inverted product of the system that Yoshida has become. Fumiko is a hunter who presents herself as younger than she is, calling Denji senpai even though she's older than he is, while Yoshida never behaves like the teenager he is.

Fumiko also presents herself as Denji's ally, showing that she sees him as a child, whereas she has never had the will to protect him and has always dehumanized him. Yoshida does the opposite, presenting himself as Denji's enemy, playing on the fact that he's the only figure among the public hunters to negotiate with him and face his wrath, preventing him from doing what he wants while secretly helping him.

Yoshida is beginning to worry about Denji, otherwise he'd be totally indifferent to the fact that he doesn't grasp the stakes of the dilemma the hunters are imposing on him. The aim of the public hunters was to send a hunter around Denji's age for more connection, but in reality it's Yoshida who is becoming more sensitive to Denji's actions than Denji is to Yoshida's words.

By being this mediator who enters into direct negotiations, he feels that he is not only responsible for what Denji may do, but by dreading the fact that he breaks the rules, he also begins to dread the consequence of having broken them: Denji will be in danger.

Negotiations then took place for a week to improve Denji's situation, but failed given the way Chainsaw Man behaved out of control. Yoshida could do nothing officially, so he turned to the last resource he had left: the war devil.

When Yoshida confronted Asa, we sensed that he himself was unsettled by what he was doing. We also feel this unease expressly in this chapter, when he sees the state Denji is in.

But what interests us most is that he apologizes to Asa for attacking her, even though she had followed the rules. It's as if Yoshida realised that, even if he made sure that we totally complied with the State and its conditions (Asa had to stay away from Denji, Denji mustn't transform), that wasn't enough to guarantee the security they were hoping for in return.

All this overturns Yoshida's principles in two ways. From a relational point of view, Yoshida sees solitude as a way of life less likely to be hurt, and we also see that his criteria for normality are the fact of being isolated. But the hunter's tactic backfired: instead of not getting hurt, he became increasingly concerned about the fate of the man he was supposed to dehumanise.

On another level, Yoshida's survival strategy is to trust the system, to trust it blindly and to accept its logic, hence his eyes without a glint in them, like Kishibe's, who had integrated them so as not to suffer. But more and more, he realises that this is not enough to guarantee safety. He realised this when he attacked Asa himself. But above all, Denji himself has never broken the rules. He never revealed his identity to anyone. And when he turned into the Chainsaw Man, the contract had already been broken by the actions of Barem, who attacked his dogs and cat. In reality, Denji trusted Yoshida's words, he had fully integrated them, but the state failed to protect him as it had promised.

It is easier, even if only politically, to accuse a 17-year-old teenager of not honouring his commitment than to recognise that the state was unable to protect dogs and a cat from the actions of the church to prevent this transformation.

But above all, and this is what's fascinating, is that Yoshida uses this very political way of presenting this state failure when he opens the doors and is heard by Fumiko and the other agents, as if to convince them that he's still on their side. Yoshida thought it was enough to be alone and trust the system, but Asa and Denji proved that it wasn't enough. This trust in the state can be represented by the tako-tsubo trap: the octopus enters these cylindrical jars thinking it can protect its fragile constitution by sticking to the sides, but in reality, the octopus remains at the bottom of the trap.

Yoshida becomes aware of the trap he is in and helps Denji more and more. When did he have this realisation? I can't date it, but what I can say for sure is that in chapter 156, he intends to help Denji. He wakes him up to talk to him one last time, he gives him information, if only temporal, and Denji only confirms the failings of the system: Yoshida doesn't know Nayuta's fate because the state has completely failed to protect her.

But more importantly, takotsubo is also a fairly rare heart condition that can be brought on by a great emotional shock, which Yoshida wants to avoid by isolating himself. But as we said, he's already in the trap, so he's already become more emotional.

So Yoshida wants to help Denji, but how? By doing the opposite of what he was supposed to do, bringing Asa back into the equation by warning her about Denji's situation and his position.

The dismemberment of Chainsaw Man is a more than secret operation, and Fumiko asks Yoshida for confirmation, a sign that he is one of the only people with the most reliable information about Chainsaw Man's fate. No-one else could have warned Asa. But above all, Yoshida's information is going to help the war demon: by redeeming himself.

Denji has one leg removed, then the other, but what's left? His arms, right? Whereas Asa's legs are shown at the very end. But what was she missing? Her arms, right?

And what are these doctors doing, harvesting limbs and obviously? On top of that, it's a big number... 26... 27... what the public hunters are surely doing is to weaken Chainsaw Man as much as possible by dividing him up, but to accentuate his division, they're pulling on Denji's strap to force his regeneration while playing on his sleep to leave him unconscious. A large number of Denji's body members are harvested.

And who cut off Asa's arm? Yoshida. What could he do? Place her arm among all Denji's arms. To leave her with a weapon of choice within these walls. Warn Asa, and take advantage of her severed arm by recovering it, was Yoshida's plan B.

I know your headache's already there, but let's get on with it. What's the chapter title? Ambient noises, right? But who hears them?

I'm going to say the first sounds are those of the helicopter. The others are those of the dismemberment operation. But who hears all these successive noises? Isn't Denji supposed to be asleep?

Quite simply because Denji has woken up, not physically but to recover his senses a little, hence the detail of his clenched fist and the fact that he can now hear. How is this possible? Probably because Yoshida made sure not to shoot him completely. Why not? Because not only does he need Denji to remain at least minimally conscious, he also needs him to stay awake out of fear for the uncertainty surrounding Nayuta's fate.

We can see that Nayuta's fate agitates Denji and even makes him semi-conscious. Telling her that she was fine would have had the opposite effect, as Denji would have had no desire to get up. I think you can see where I'm going with this, but it was in Denji's interest to frustrate him even more about Nayuta and that's exactly what Yoshida did.

Let's make a brief philosophical and legal point: Leviathan by Hobbes is a work that forms one of the bases for thinking about the relationship between man and the state. Hobbes wrote this essay while traumatized by the English civil wars, for whom the only way to avoid chaos would be to give our liberties to a powerful monarch.

Man is a danger to social well-being; his natural reflex is domination, enslavement and violence.

Giving our freedoms to the state provides a powerful arbiter who in turn ensures security and social peace - the social contract. Why Leviathan? Leviathan is none other than the State, a creature invented by men, against which no individual can compete. Yoshida works for the state and therefore symbolically for Leviathan, the octopus demon.

The quid pro quo of this contract with the State, the Leviathan, is security, which is not guaranteed, as Yoshida can testify. So what does Yoshida do? He helps the figure whose popularity threatened that of the State as the guardian of social peace. But above all, he is helping the element that the state fears most - civil war, i.e. war within its borders. Within its walls.

If Yoshida and Asa have one thing in common, it's that they prefer to be alone to avoid suffering. What they do, however, is join forces to prevent Denji from stopping suffering, to enable them to move forward just like the legs they lack.

Just like friends would do.

#chainsaw man #csm #csm part 2 #csm spoilers #csm 156 #yoshida hirofumi #yoshida #asa mitaka #denji #denji hayakawa #nayuta #nayuta hayakawa #yoru #barem #fami #quanxi #my thoughts

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otrebot · 4 months

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Kumbaya

#my art #csm #chainsaw man #barem

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pockethep · 4 months

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I don’t know if anyone noticed the similarities between these two pictures (Barem Csm 151 and Fallen Angel by Alexander Cabanel) but Fujimoto is doing his thing once again. Just like Makimas painting in part 1.