can't believe it's canon that in the last season Jaime was chilling with his brother then Brienne entered and Jaime jumped on his feet murmuring my lady like a Jane Austen's hero and Tyrion was like damn bro, someone is smitten, isn't it?

Congrats to show!Jaime for finally making it to #1 on a popular media list! 😂 Good to see that heading onto the 5th anniversary of the disastrous S8, Jaime's forced Twincest ending is still truly hated by the masses and that Dumb and Dumber's dream of J/C becoming the "true love" story the audience would grow to love be completely shattered over and over. Anybody with a functioning brain could have told them Twincest was never going to be loved. GRRM himself told them that through asoiaf and making Jaime/Brienne his Beauty and the Beast story but of course D&D never understood the books and thought they could do better. Anyways it's always nice to see D&D get hate for ruining Jaime lmao.

Yes Gwen, we'll never stop loving Brienne of Tarth either. 😭💗

aaaaaaand

"Jaime Lannister's one true love." 💞

The J/B media strikes again. Eat your heart out Dumb and Dumber. 😘 Three years after Game of Thrones and your crap narrative + bad taste still has no power in the universe. Twincest = Flopcest now and forever.😏

(BTW, if anyone is wondering where this came from....here's the article: How Game Of Thrones Stars Really Feel About House Of The Dragon)

GOT and HOTD fans that defend the incest in these shows are so weird when other fans are (rightfully) disgusted by it because none of the incestuous relationships (Cersei and Jaime, Daemon and Rhaenyra, Aegon and Helaena, even Viserys and Aemma) are portrayed in a positive light. Every single one of those relationships are abusive and toxic to a ridiculous extent. And it’s fine if you ship it in a “I think they’re interesting and hot and I find the toxicity entertaining” kinda way but to act like they’re the pinnacle of true love is weird. GRRM has nothing good to say about incest.

Do you think that the rhaenyra/daemon/nettles relationship is meant to be a a parallel to the cersei/jaime/brienne one (not a 1:1 parallel ofc, but still)?

eeeh sorta but idk I mean the types don't really match in the sense that book speaking

if there's a jaime/brienne-like ship it's baelon and alyssa including the sister who wanted to seduce him after she died but like basically b/a is jb if it was targcest and they had less trauma about stuff and had dragons

the cersei book stand-in is alicent

rhaenyra has never read very cersei-like to me

daemon is a sorta jaime-type but entirely more of an asshole/with less scruples

idt either d/r or d/n have the same level of... intensity™ both jb and jc have in their own way?

grrm's preferences writing stuff are obvious and idt he feels the same way about rhaenyra or c or about brienne and nettles (daemon and jaime sorta I mean he obv loves damon and he certainly likes jaime enough to make him half of his great love story subplot soooo) so it doesn't really match

that said as a very faraway vague thing in the sense there's the jaime-like antihero archetype in a love triangle with his beautiful relative he's married/in a heated rship with and with a not-standard-pretty other girl that arrives after yes but let's say that while I'd look at the dance to have spoilers concerning how the whole cersei vs aegon vi vs dany thing is gonna play out and honestly I think the dance about spelled the basics of it, I wouldn't look at rhaenyra/daemon/nettles as smth that can foreshadow anything concerning j/b(/c) because there's nothing in theme-plot common except the basic similarities

Jaime didn't feel the connection with his children unlike Cersei. His reaction on Joffery's death is really weird. Not only that he mocked Joffery death while having sex with Cersei near his body.

I wrote a post about that whole mess a while back, which basically sums it all up as "Jaime projects the loss of their mother onto Cersei and views his own children as competition".

He can't be a father unless he finally chooses to grow up and stops blaming other people for his own choices. Including Cersei.

Over and again he keeps comparing himself to or projecting himself onto teenagers: Loras, Peck, Lancel - and yes, Brienne as well. He is stuck in the past, a perpetual adolescence, because he remains stuck in the trauma of growing up as Tywin's child (same as Cersei and Tyrion) and the trauma of the Rebellion that made him a kingslayer at age 17. In this regard, he is no different than Ned or Robert or others, who also never quite learned how to move past the violent end to their youth and the losses they had to bear. It informs how these people act as parents - if they do at all.

We see him try and start to take on an adult, parental role with Tommen. But it barely moves anywhere and it exhausts itself in telling Tommen to pretend away a disturbing fact, and before long he is on the road, stuttering and failing to reinvent himself as "Goldenhand the Just", enforcer of Tywin's legacy, denouncing Cersei like he washed his hands of Joffrey.

But that weak small beginning with Tommen seems, to me, to be the true path forward with him. It's the only original thing Jaime can do as a character: actually see Cersei with compassion and take responsibility for his own choices for once, including the children he chose to father.

And now he's dead. He pictured Joff lying still and cold with a face black from poison, and still felt nothing. Perhaps he was the monster they claimed. If the Father Above came down to offer him back his son or his hand, Jaime knew which he would choose. He had a second son, after all, and seed enough for many more. If Cersei wants another child I'll give her one . . . and this time I'll hold him, and the Others take those who do not like it. Robert was rotting in his grave, and Jaime was sick of lies. (ASOS, Jaime VII)

Jaime will have to choose and it won't involve starting from scratch. Only his own self-created messes and being actually honest with himself for once.

people praise jaime for wanting to stop rhaella's rape but they ignore the fact that he regularly does the same thing to cersei

I've been talking about this for years. It's crazy that Cersei is the one with the reputation of forcing Jaime into their incestuous relationship when Jaime is the one who doesn't care about consent

The man sighed. "You should think less about the future and more about the pleasures at hand." "Stop that!" the woman said. Bran heard the sudden slap of flesh on flesh, then the man's laughter.

There were soft, wet sounds. Bran realized they were kissing. He watched, wide-eyed and frightened, his breath tight in his throat. The man had a hand down between her legs, and he must have been hurting her there, because the woman started to moan, low in her throat. "Stop it," she said, "stop it, stop it. Oh, please …" But her voice was low and weak, and she did not push him away.

There was no tenderness in the kiss he returned to her, only hunger. Her mouth opened for his tongue. "No," she said weakly when his lips moved down her neck, "not here. The septons . . ." "The Others can take the septons." He kissed her again, kissed her silent, kissed her until she moaned.

Taena got quite drunk and Cersei pried the name of her secret lover from her. He was a Myrish sea captain, half a pirate, with black hair to the shoulders and a scar that ran across his face from chin to ear. "A hundred times I told him no, and he said yes," the other woman told her, "until finally I was saying yes as well. He was not the sort of man to be denied." "I know the sort," the queen said with a wry smile. "Has Your Grace ever known a man like that, I wonder?" "Robert," she lied, thinking of Jaime.

We actually used to bring it up so often that some Jaime stans tried to explain it away, usually by saying that

Cersei enjoys being sexually assaulted or

that she likes rough sex or

that Jaime had no choice but to ignore all her no's, otherwise he wouldn't be able to have sex.

It's not exactly surprising given how the fandom at large pities Robert for being married to Cersei instead of the other way around. There used to be a popular trope of someone else marrying Robert (even isekai-ng into Cersei) and being the 'better wife' by preventing Robert from becoming fat and abusive. They do this by being pleasant to him and the rest of the court instead of being mean and they hold him accountable, nevermind that Cersei did all of this and it didn't save her. Even if Robert becomes abusive anyway, there's this sense that the victim handles it with more grace than Cersei ever did.

And that's Robert who, mind you, isn't even half as popular as Jaime. So the fandom either ignores what Jaime does or finds a way to blame Cersei for it.

The fact that people can ship:

Daemon and Rhaenyra, Lucerys and Aemond, Daeron and Joffery, Jon and Daenerys, Aegon and Aemond, Aegon and Heleana.

And than say ewwwww!! Gross when they see

Cersei and Jaime

Just never ceases to amaze and amuse me.

(I don't ship them. But give them respect. LOL)

"It's bloody hot in here"

We are in 2024 and I still see (stupid) people claiming that Braime shouldn't have happened because it was "awkward" and they use as argument Jaime saying to Brienne "It's bloody hot in here" making memes of how Jaime looks like a stupid teenager at the first crush and how his flirting sucks.

But the thing is that.. his flirting IS SUPPOSED to sucks. Jaime Lannister is a 40+ years old man who has been all his life in an abusive and incestual relationship with his sister who manipulated him since they were kids and used sex to have something from him in return and because of that he never slept with another woman because he never felt attraction for another woman.. until now. Brienne is the first woman he sexually and romantically desired outside his sister so IT'S HIS FIRST TIME TRYING TO SEDUCE A WOMAN.

Just look at him. The awkward smile, the eyes constantly moving. HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS DOING. HE IS SO NERVOUS HE CAN'T EVEN UNDRESS HIMSELF.

And Brienne is as awkward as him. She is a virgin who has been mocked because of her appearance since ever, she wasn't estethically attractive and she knew. She never knew what it meant being courted or desired because she thought this day for her wouldn't come. So after Jaime patethic way of flirting she initially doesn't understand what the fuck is going on and gets confused, until she realized what is happening and all you can see is her completely disbelief.

The scene is supposed to be awkward because Jaime and Brienne are feeling awkward. Because it's their first time. Because they are getting vulnerable to someone who they disliked at first, but that now they love. Because they are living something that they never thought it would happen to them.

Just another prove of how Nikolaj Coster Waldau and Gwendoline Christie always understood their characters. While these people never did.

BONUS Jaime's face when he realized it's finally happening MY GOD I CAN'T WITH THESE TWO-

Yes, I will complain about fandom bitches complaining about stuff I enjoy with ships and characters in cases where their complaining is directly affecting what content I get!

It's wild to me how INCEST was just normalized on this godawful show — to the point that the showrunners/actors really EXPECTED us to see the Jaime & Cersei ending as ROMANTIC????? Like, no, that scene was ridiculous. A ceiling killed them. The only thing that evoked from me was laughter.

GRRM never paid show!Twincest any compliments either but instead reminded us how in the books they're effectively estranged. He did compliment show!J/B though by saying Gwendoline and Nikolaj had amazing chemistry together as Jaime and Brienne aka the couple he said he based on his favorite romance Beauty and the Beast and I think that's a pretty big deal. So we know which pairing GRRM is building up to be the true love one....something D&D failed to comprehend all because of their egos with bad taste.

Dumb & Dumber and HBO went above and beyond for years to try to encourage people to root for Twincest something that GRRM never does in ASOIAF. D&D completely missed the point of their relationship and because of their weird gross obsession with J/C, they turned the relationship into something else entirely....and still flopped. In the books the deterioration of their relationship was more compelling than whatever show tried to do. Till this day the majority of people still don't see that Twincest ceiling death as romantic....more like a waste of two characters and is infamously known as some of the worst writing ever. Considering how D&D went into hiding after S8, even they must know how much they fucked up. Anywho their little pro-Twincest experiment failed spectacularly. They were so out of touch their writing failed to consistently resonate with audiences on several different fronts not just the Twincest. I'm satisfied af at the backlash D&D/HBO got. Also very satisfied at how well loved Jaime/Brienne continues to be, like D&D wanted us to dislike that relationship but the people said nope, we're going to love them even more!

Top 10 Worst Final Seasons of TV Shows: #7 GAME of THRONES S8 "The character arcs of Dany, Jaime, and Jon still have fans angry today."

Years later and the media hate for S8 continues on and we love to see it! Still known as one of the worst things to happen on television. Where are all the show/Dumb and Dumber stans who said people would grow to love the show's ending by now?

I read your metas on why you think GRRM always meant for Bran to be KITN, not King of the 7K as per what he told Benioff and Weiss during their decades-long intimate working relationship on the show adaptation and I have to say I disagree lol. I don't really understand how someone can think that Benioff and Weiss were told 'yeah Jon sits the throne and the irrelevant 8 year old fourth son of the Stark family becomes KITN' and D and D were like, 'ummm no we're going to blow our legacy by putting BRAN of all characters on the IT, and not giving our fan favorite character his shining moment on the IT.' I don't like Bran as King and neither did D and D, but they had to maintain that GOT was some semblance of an adaptation so they had to use Martin's endgames. It blows my mind that people still deny this. I do think the north being independent and Sansa being QITN was fanservice tho. She will likely be Lady of Winterfell, not queen. Anyone that thinks she ends her story in the Vale is deeply unserious.

Jon's a chosen one deconstruction because once he finds out about his parentage, it's not going to be a good thing that gives him a renewed sense of self like in the thousands of other chosen one fantasy arcs. It will be a devastating revelation for him and cause a very negative identity crisis. Also, his parentage was always meant to be a red herring, why do you think GRRM set it up in a way that there is literally no way for Jon to prove he's actually R and L's son? Much less prove he's a legitimate son born from a valid, legal marriage? I don't think anyone outside of Jon's very close inner circle will ever know the truth about who his real parents are, it's not something he will want to ever be made known lmao. The show conflating Jon with YG, not adapting YG, and basically being a Jon Snow is So Great Fanservice vehicle in the last few seasons has made the fandom think that's where his arc is leading, it's not. Not that GRRM will ever publish another book, but anyway.

Also, Jon is not AA, it is Dany. The thing is.....that's not a good thing lol. The AA prophecy is basically prophesizing the coming of Khal Stalin, not a savior lmao. That's the twist and the double edge sword with prophecies that is so very Martin. The constant debates among the fandom as to who is AA is so hilarious because they fundamentally don't understand that it's a negative prophecy. The dramatic irony of house targ thinking they need to bring about the AA prophecy to save humanity when in actuality they are unleashing a new evil that needs to be defeated is deeply delicious dramatic irony. But the fandom is too bogged down into the most basic fantasy tropes to see it and refuses to acknowledge that GRRM is cynically deconstructing these tropes. Almost as if he's trying to say that being the son of the crown prince actually sucks and will make the supposed 'chosen one's' life hell, the ethereal looking princess with the sympathetic backstory is actually an authoritarian tyrant who's bloody conquest for the iron throne using her hordes of brainwashed killing machines will cause destruction not restore some great dynasty, and the 'broken' disabled boy with special mind powers who is able to look into all of history to learn from the mistakes of all the monarchs that came before him is the 'best' ruler for a 'broken' realm.

I'm uuuuh, gonna try and reply to this as briefly as I can but like with the premise that everyone can agree or disagree with anything and text interpretation can't be set in stone until like the entire thing is over... in order

I don't really understand how someone can think that Benioff and Weiss were told 'yeah Jon sits the throne and the irrelevant 8 year old fourth son of the Stark family becomes KITN' and D and D were like, 'ummm no we're going to blow our legacy by putting BRAN of all characters on the IT, and not giving our fan favorite character his shining moment on the IT.'

anon I don't wanna sound rude but.... they lit set jon up to kill the night king and then made arya of all ppl do it NONSENSICALLY just to make ppl surprised, they literally shat all over the entire text since S2 if not S1 already, just the robb storyline shows they didn't understand anything about the point of the red wedding which they said they WANTED to adapt and they basically made shit up since s4 onwards without anything making literal sense including making c*rsei the ultimate boss when there is no shred of text evidence she's that important and grrm is pissed with the ending so like... I can 100% think that both of them didn't gaf about what grrm had to say and just understood what they wanted to, also because we're talking abt the ppl who made stannis go agamemnon on shireen because they hated his ass when if shireen dies like that no way it's stannis ordering it by any shred of textual sense so I absolutely will say dnd didn't gaf about what grrm said and threw their legacy in the trash, that because.... everyone thought the finale was trash and they haven't had a gig like that since bc no one wants them after got, with good reason, so like ppl can say that because there is nothing dnd have done as showrunners that shows they gaf about the og text, end of story

I don't like Bran as King and neither did D and D, but they had to maintain that GOT was some semblance of an adaptation so they had to use Martin's endgames. It blows my mind that people still deny this. I do think the north being independent and Sansa being QITN was fanservice tho. She will likely be Lady of Winterfell, not queen. Anyone that thinks she ends her story in the Vale is deeply unserious.

except the jc endgame is obviously not the book endgame, lit no one's endgame except imvho jon's (hahaha) and possibly tyrion/davos is the actual book endgame and I'd like everyone to remember there's no shred of textual evidence rickon doesn't die in the books but anyway like... sorry but dnd not wanting to put jon on the IT for shock value (which is obvious since everyone expected it) and not giving bran kitn to give it to sansa so ppl who wanted her to be queen would be happy makes absolute sense to me, also like... again I'm not gonna go over it again bc you said you read the meta but: bran is a deconstructed version of a kingly arthurian archetype which by himself means that he has to become king while being disabled/in virtue of having lost his legs so like sorry but bran being king is absolutely in the text but no way it makes sense it's 7k since he's directly tied to his land and its magic same as the fisher king so......

Jon's a chosen one deconstruction because once he finds out about his parentage, it's not going to be a good thing that gives him a renewed sense of self like in the thousands of other chosen one fantasy arcs. It will be a devastating revelation for him and cause a very negative identity crisis

I agree and I wrote a longass meta about jon being a chosen one deconstruction but being AA/his inheritance absolutely does not rule out it being a deconstruction imvho

Also, his parentage was always meant to be a red herring, why do you think GRRM set it up in a way that there is literally no way for Jon to prove he's actually R and L's son?

howland reed was there when he was born and lyanna could have told him and ned they were married, also bran can lit travel in time and prove it/see it happen, but even if he's not legitimate wrt rhaegar it doesn't matter because in the book he's legitimate wrt robb's will so he's gonna get kitn title at some point even just for that but like... point is if howland reed corroborates it and he gets a pet dragon or smth and no one has reasons to disagree esp because they'll need to kill zombies whether r/l were married doesn't matter at all

Much less prove he's a legitimate son born from a valid, legal marriage? I don't think anyone outside of Jon's very close inner circle will ever know the truth about who his real parents are, it's not something he will want to ever be made known lmao. The show conflating Jon with YG, not adapting YG, and basically being a Jon Snow is So Great Fanservice vehicle in the last few seasons has made the fandom think that's where his arc is leading, it's not. Not that GRRM will ever publish another book, but anyway.

we can't know about wrt grrm publishing something else or not but again: howland reed knows and he's still around and kicking and there is no reason for people to not make it known especially when it comes out and they have to treat with dany, also the show conflated young griff with both jon and cersei and jon connington with jorah and daenerys which makes no sense whatsoever so like that argument holds zero water bc they didn't know what they were doing and it shows

Also, Jon is not AA, it is Dany. The thing is.....that's not a good thing lol. The AA prophecy is basically prophesizing the coming of Khal Stalin, not a savior lmao. That's the twist and the double edge sword with prophecies that is so very Martin.

anon the second maester aemon said on page AA is daenerys out loud it went out of the window, the way asoiaf prophecies are structured everyone who's rumored to be X by other people/themselves before it actually happens won't be that, and jon only ever was deemed a candidate by a vision melisandre had... which she immediately discarded bc she didn't understand what the hell her own god was telling her so sorry but I don't agree and it's not gonna happen

The constant debates among the fandom as to who is AA is so hilarious because they fundamentally don't understand that it's a negative prophecy. The dramatic irony of house targ thinking they need to bring about the AA prophecy to save humanity when in actuality they are unleashing a new evil that needs to be defeated is deeply delicious dramatic irony. But the fandom is too bogged down into the most basic fantasy tropes to see it and refuses to acknowledge that GRRM is cynically deconstructing these tropes. Almost as if he's trying to say that being the son of the crown prince actually sucks and will make the supposed 'chosen one's' life hell, the ethereal looking princess with the sympathetic backstory is actually an authoritarian tyrant who's bloody conquest for the iron throne using her hordes of brainwashed killing machines will cause destruction not restore some great dynasty, and the 'broken' disabled boy with special mind powers who is able to look into all of history to learn from the mistakes of all the monarchs that came before him is the 'best' ruler for a 'broken' realm.

anon I don't even disagree with all of this but:

i do not think that in any way shape or form jon is not AA - there is no way he's not, he's lit the only one who actually came back to life in the show if we wanna show truth and there's no other character who lit resurrected and no one else will so there's that, he died according to the prophecy and no one in text would ever put a cent on AA being him, like.,........ what we know is not what they do and for westeros jon snow is the least likely candidate soooo like sorry but I don't think it makes sense that anyone else is AA, you can think it's dany but idt there's a chance in hell

I think the evil is already there and it's zombies, like... ik the show made it look like the long night was nothing but it's the actual ultimate big bad so there's no need for AA to be another evil, rhaegar would have misunderstood the og prophecy well enough as it is without getting that far

jon being the chosen one and AA would still make his life hell

idt dany is written in the book as an authoritarian tyrant and idt it's where she's headed and I'm saying it as someone who doesn't gaf about dany and doesn't care either way but the show version was just ridiculous and nothing in the text says she's headed there whatsoever

I also agree this fandom cannibalizing itself over who is AA is ridiculous... because it's jon and there's no reason to further argue over that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

bran can absolutely be the best ruler for a broken realm,..... the north, which has been mauled and will be further mauled by the zombies, and it makes no sense he is 7k anyway given his background and stuff, again you can disagree with it as you want but idt anything that happened in the show except an extremely selected amount of things which are absolutely out of context has a chance in hell of happening in the books and from the way grrm reacted to the finale it seems obvious to me, then... again you can agree or disagree with me but I wrote so much meta on the topic I honestly feel like I'd be rehashing myself over and over if I went about it again but like

of course everyone believes in their own interpretation but there's no way I'm gonna be swayed by any argument agains kitn!bran and 7k!jon who then abdicates and goes to the wildlings by anything that's not grrm publishing ados and writing differently, godspeed and that's mvho ;)

I love your blog !! It's such a deep study of asoiaf!

How do you think Cersei and Jaime will end up in asoiaf ??? Do you think Jaime is the valanquor ???

Hi, and thank you so much! :)

My suspicion for Jaime and Cersei is that they will die together. The valonqar is not literal but a metaphor of some kind, it could be Jaime, it could be Tyrion, it could be anyone. And it will be clear only in hindsight, the same way that the Younger More Beautiful Queen is none other than the sum total of Cersei's own horrific choices coming home to roost.

There is a lot of unfinished business between Jaime and Cersei. When readers only consider the relationship from the angle of Jaime's supposed redemption arc (which doesn't exist), it erases the unresolved issue of his relationship with their children and with his own culpability in their toxic dynamic, his apathy toward Cersei's suffering, his sense of entitlement, his self-righteousness. Jaime is every bit as bad as Cersei and always has been, especially in relation to her, and since he has yet to acknowledge that at all, I don't see how anyone can consider their relationship over. The true reckoning is still waiting in the wings.

Here are some posts I've made on the subject:

Jaime and Cersei and mutual betrayal

The nature of their relationship

Rhaella - Cersei parallels

Jaime-Cersei and Rickard-Brandon parallel

Endgame speculation and fatherhood

Jaime, hypocrisy and fatherhood

Jaime endgame speculation

Jaime and Cersei and Beauty and the Beast

Jaime projecting on Pia and Peck

more endgame speculation

Jaime/Cersei and mommy issues through the lens of religious imagery

There are probably more but I struggle through my own lack of organization on my blog. :)