thomas cromwell and sir thomas more, wolf hall episode four

JEREMY NORTHAN and JAMES FRAIN as THOMAS MORE and THOMAS CROMWELL

THE TUDORS (2007-2010) | 2x05 "His Majesty's Pleasure"

'WOLF HALL' RECAP — 1x04 'The Devil's Spit' air date — 11 February 2015 dir. Peter Kosminsky

In 1533, Anne Boleyn has given birth to a daughter, much to King Henry VIII's disdain. As Anne's paranoia over her inability to produce a son grows, Thomas Cromwell tries to convince��Sir Thomas More to show approval for the royal marriage.

Thomas More: my kink is saying some incredibly cornball shit and watching Thomas Cromwell speedrun the 5 stages of grief as he realises with horror that he still wants to fuck me.

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Cromwell and More in Wolf Hall are gay: a powerpoint

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THE TUDORS (2007-2010) | 2x05

Why? ... Why can he not be like others? Why does he have to cross me? Why can his vanity be greater than a king's? It troubles me. It weighs on my conscience, and my heart is full, and heavy and sore. I say this only to you. I confess only to you. I LOVE HIM. AND I HATE HIM. I hate in equal measure to my love, for he is the spirit that denies. It is up to you to judge whether or not he be on my conscience."

Henry VII, far from pushing a ‘propaganda line’ on Richard’s reign or on his own background, did so only very minimally. For any significant detail his tactic was one of obfuscation or concealment rather than propaganda [...] It was not until the early years of Henry VIII that there was an attempt to construct a more coherent narrative of these events, resulting in the well-known accounts by Polydore Vergil and by Thomas More. But even so, there was no rush to publish the results. Vergil did not appear in print until an expensive Latin edition was published at Basel in 1534. More’s work was never completed. Both only became accessible to a wider public when they were plagiarized to form a continuation to The Chronicle of John Hardyng, printed by Richard Grafton in 1543.

— C. S. L. Davies, Information, disinformation and political knowledge under Henry VII and early Henry VIII | Historical Research (2012)

The term ‘Tudor’ is not merely anachronistic but ambivalent [...] the term ‘Tudor tradition’ applied to the sequence of narrators from Vergil to Shakespeare incorrectly suggests sponsorship by the ‘Tudor monarchs’ including Henry VII himself. It will be argued here that neither Henry VII nor Henry VIII, at least in the first half of his reign, was keen to publicize a detailed narrative of the years 1483–5, either in relation to events in England, or to Henry VII’s family antecedents and his activities in exile before his accession.

Me watching Wolf Hall:

The only minor bad thing about Wolf Hall s2 is that my man Thomas More isn't getting a Wolsey like flashback. What Cromwell needs is clearly another burden as he goes through what's left of his life.

Like the thing that frustrates me about Thomas and Gregory is Thomas's tendency to dwell in the past, constantly thinking about Anselma, having her portrait in his house, calling her beautiful, getting on with her daughter more than Gregory is that Gregory is ALL he has left of Liz.

He seems to just bury the one last connection he has to her, he even talks about how he's starting to forget Anne and Grace's faces. He seems to recall Anselma more than he does Liz, and latching onto the last piece of her he has as opposed to doing the same with his son is so frustrating to me.

He keeps Gregory at arms length. Maybe it's because he doesn't know how to bond with his own sons, but he's so good with Richard and Rafe. Even Thomas More has to call him out on his bs. THOMAS MORE!!

Thomas Cromwell: you'd better swear the oath

Thomas More:

We saw you from across the bar and we hate your vibe: