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kob131 · 5 years

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZiQAq_nf1s

“Could have expanded on the ideas surrounding the character but you just couldn’t do that, Rooster Teeth?”-

Look man, I get getting angry about a character you like being killed off-

But for fuck’s sake, keep the creators out of your bullshit.

0:24 See the thing is-

If you take a look at numerous things surrounding the show and how the show actually treats them: Expectations are almost completely out of the CRWBY’s hands.

This isn’t like what happened with The Last Jedi were the creators purposefully built up what their predecessor did only to completely dash them-We had people making theories about and treating the shattered moon as this huge plot point when no one makes any mention of it and it’s basically there to look cool. And then when the unimportant background object was given non-earth shattering reveal, people bitched at the CRWBY. So unless you can show beyond a shadow of doubt they did this with Adam (which you’ve failed to do twice before): All I’m going to do is throw you in the same bin as the Yang fans who insist that she has no flaws.

1:13 Wanna note here this spider tank is smaller and weaker looking than the Paladin from Volume 2 (the same one that Team RWBY had troubles with until Yang punched it out full force with her Semblance). Looking being the operative word because assumption is the same thing Eruption here is basing his argument on so if he tries to bring up the Paladin being outclassed later on then the Spider Tank is logically even more outclassed.

Also of note:

The Spider Tank does not have Aura.

Adam absorbs a full three second blast.

And Adam is not shown taking a hit once.

These are all important factors.

1:23 Same expectation for Yang surprisingly, to the point she was considered a Mary Sue pre Volume 2, Episode 10. There we established Yang isn’t as powerful as she seems due to her anger, recklessness and lack of finesse in her fighting style. This shows that weaknesses in these characters can be established after their establishing moments since we had never seen Yang faced with a situation like this before. Again, keep this in mind.

1:53 No actually. Two of three things you stated are not established here. Adam is not established as a leader due to this being a two man operation PRECISELY because it’s a two man operation. Because of this, Adam is not shown leading anyone and in fact is portrayed as Blake’s equal as he almost never gives her orders. Nor is he presented as caring about the WF as he never expressly shows concern or dedication to the cause. He only seems to care about blowing up a train full of humans.

If anything, he is established a powerful combatant with a bloodlust against humans. That’s all.

3:02 *holds up a finger*

Unreliable Narrator.

It’s a trope where the person giving the information isn’t exactly reliable and thus the information isn’t that good. Reasons can range from lies to insanity to personal bias. Personal bias, like say an abuse survivor glorifying their abuser because of mental damage.

In order for me to take Blake’s words as you do at face value, you have to prove this is inconsistent behavior for an abuse survivor.

Not to mention the fact that you ignore an important bit of context: Adam approved of and helped carry out a plan to destroy not just Beacon but Vale as well. Both of which contain a fair number of Fanaus. He makes no attempt to warn Fanaus ahead of time nor does he seem to care about them.

4:40 yes and I’m sure Adolf wouldn’t want to waste German soldiers on a Jewish cause.

The issue here is that you focus on the word ‘cause’ whereas the narrative could be focused on the word ‘human’. A racist psychopath wouldn’t waste time and resources helping someone who they are racist against.

4:48... And you showcase a clip where Adam clarifies ‘human’, meaning it barely has anything to do with leadership and everything to do with racism. … Why?

5:08 Once again, the same traits can apply to a racist psychopath sending people to die for his own selfish reason rather than some leader. You have not shown anything to disprove the first interpretation (which is the one you arguing against as you think his character was changed.)

5:25 Really? It didn’t become shaky when Blake contradicted the idea of Adam being someone reasonable when she expressed concern and FEAR over the fact that Yang acted slightly like Adam? It didn’t become shaky when you never proved Adam being a leader and only proved him being racist? It didn’t become shaky upon reflecting on all this as the only reason you think Adam is a leader is because of Blake, someone who has reason to be an unreliable narrator especially with her actions in Volume 3?

I think we’ve been riding on a completely different set of trails this whole time.

5:33 >Not romantic >”my mentor” >Same show with Arkos in it

Yeah, either show me proof it's platonic or this was a case of Schrodinger's Relationship where it can be both things at the same time due to a lack of information, only to be defined when given solid proof.

5:45 Once again, I refer to Adolf Hitler who acted like his actions were a revolution himself. And I don't refer to Adolf for no reason, Adam display all the classical examples of a racist sociopath like Hitler did. Hell, he was one Mein Kampf quote away from being a more blatant Nazi Expy than the Daleks.

7:05 Except that Yang’s power level was cemented before this with the destruction of the Paladin, a feat FAR greater than Adams previous feat, only to be defeated by someone who never showed that level of strength (Neo) by acting around her and taking advantage of Yang’s weaknesses. This cements a very simple idea: Power is not everything. Yang was shown to be more powerful than Neo but Neo was far more skilled and was able to work around Yang’s Semblance and anger issues. Not just that, but Adam is once again NEVER shown to take a hit from Blake OR Yang in this whole fight so his DURABILITY is undefined.

So you’re basically applying DBZ logic to something more like JoJo in nature. Not really anyone’s fault here but yours.

8:05 Except not really.

Blake said Adam was misguided. Illa acts misguided.

Blake said Adam fell off the slipperly slope. Illa acts her descent.

Blake said Adam was these things. Illa IS these things.

This like saying Raven’s character was retconned because Taiyang described her differently, never mind how Taiyang has an inherent bias for Raven/would have a reason to lie.

Illa exists because she is what you deluded Adam was. Once again, no one’s fault but your own.

8:10 And you know...Illa doesn’t contradict a single thing stated about her unlike Adam who contradicted EVERYTHING stated about him...by Blake...his abuse victim...

You uh, wanna rethink your arguments now? Cuz you’re sounding less like someone who knows what they’re talking about and more like a RWDE poster.

8:40 You know, aside from the fact that Sienna denied him what he wanted and stood in his way...like Blake...a Fanaus...and former partner/lover.

Wow those arguments just keep getting more and more flimsy. Wonder if we’ll get to the point where I can just quote the show to disprove you.

9:01 Like say, trying to kill the Runaway Blake or the Belladonnas or, I dunno, THE HUNDREDS OF FANAUS THAT LIVED IN VALE/BEACON WHO HELPED TRY TO KILL WITHOUT REMORSE?

See how each of Adam’s actions makes him look more and more self centered, almost as though he’s breaking down and losing the mask he’s portrayed himself as?

9:45 Wrong.

Here’s where we get to the fundamental misunderstanding you have about Adam.

Why does he want to hurt humans? Because they hurt him.

Why does he want to hurt Blake? Because she hurt him.

Why does Adam work for the WF? Because it benefits him.

Why does Adam believe in Fanaus Supremacy? Because it benefits him.

Adam’s character never changed. It never made this dramatic shift you keep hinting at. He was always this way. All his actions have the common thread of benefitting himself whereas the character you think he is would have some kind of self sacrifice for his people.

But that’s only half the story. I’ll get to the other half when you do.

10:17 *raises eyebrow*

… Do I even need to bring up things like the KKK and the Nazis, who were both groups of people in VASTLY greater numbers that were manipulated and used by manipulative people without any real rational reason because people are not rational? Hell, want a better example? BLM is an organization of people who do terrible things because they feel oppressed, nevermind how that doesn’t excuse their actions nor that their leaders care more about their own selfish desires than anything meaningful.

Your argument doesn’t work, history disagrees with you.

10:26 So are all known dictators and tyrants: That doesn’t mean Adam was a misguided revolutionary.

10:43 No it just didn’t exist. He was never the character you made him out to be, your disappointment is the result of nothing more than buying into an illusion. And I can’t blame anyone for that but the person who willingly did that. I don’t care how sad you are: You fail because of your own flaws.

10:56 No, nobody but Adam stans felt that way. No one said that but people who refused to accept the idea that Adam wasn’t what they thought he was. It's the same damn bullshit in regards to Raven: It’s not the writers fault you hyped yourself for something they contradicted. If you want an example of hyping up a character aspect then abandoning it: Look at how cinder was portrayed in Volume 4 and how the sympathetic angle was abandoned in Volume 5 onward. THAT is the fault of the writers. Not this.

11:31 Except-

A. Adam was never in it for anyone but himself as his previous actions with Vale/Beacon can attest.

And B. Blake directly says that the change was only temporary and we can see that such extremity only leads to creating the opposite. Adam was created as the result of Jacques’ opportunistic and psychopathic actions, making Adam opportunistic and psychopathic. And we can see this in our world: white supremacy as a whole was on it’s last legs a few years ago and it was on the verge of becoming as arachic and out dated as monarchies and slavery. But when extremists yelling about how awful white people are as a whole and being violent extremists rose up, white supremacy resurged. Why? Because those hurt by the first group became extremist themselves due to how people gravitate between extremes. And the first group only existed because of the older form of the second group being douchebags in the past.

Adam works not as a revolutionary but as a cautionary tale of how self sustaining this cycle of hate is. Eventually, Adam would have caused Fanaus racism to spike right back up and give those racists a strawman to point to, just like what happened at our doorstep.

12:57 No, Sienna is portrayed as opportunistic and power hungry and Adam is giving a sadistic smile at the praise. There is no ambiguity here: Ghira is and was portrayed as in the right and Adam/Sienna were portrayed as and are in the wrong. You’re ignoring context. AGAIN.

13:47 Says the guy whose trying to discredit everything Adam related post Volume 2 and would have every reason to willfully misrepsent the scene to support his argument, nevermind how he hasn’t proven a damn thing.

14:29 And just because you say it doesn’t make it so, especially considering a loot of people found Adam interesting again after this short AND this finale.

15:00 No, he’s always been 100% for himself. It’s just that Blake is an easier and more recent target than humans.

15:53 And yet he overcomes her, like the Fall Of Beacon. Forgot that part eh?

16:04 Nope.

The development with Yang was never her strength but rather her tactics. Thing is, we never see Adam use tactics in a fight. We never see him think or strategize in fights. And his style reflects someone who fights with power alone. Meanwhile, Yang has developed from Volume 3 with her training because Taiyang taught her that she can’t just power through everything in sight and has to THINK her way around thing. This being demonstrated by tripping up Taiyang, prioritizing the long ranged bandits in her Volumee 5 fight, letting go of her arm in the Haven fight and here by not feeding Adam’s Semblance and instead waiting for an opening to strike him down and disarm him (you know, like Neo did in Volume 2.)

The show directly said this, you have no excuse Eruption Fang.

16:30 No you just overhyped the boss and made it look tougher than they are. you basically hyped the Minotaur from SMT4 as Matador from SMT3, despite the latter being tougher than the former.

17:01 ADAM. IS NOT. THE FANAUS.

BLAKE is the representative of the Fanaus.

Just as Jacques isn’t the representative of the humans, WEISS is.

Stop trying to make Adam look like the only Fanaus involved in the conflict.

And even THEN: Adam IS Morally grey. Just not the ‘misguided revolutionary’ you made him out to be.

Remember when I said that Adam is selfish being only half the story? Well, Adam is selfish BECAUSE of his brand. Why? Because that action symbolizes how he lost his agency and his innocence a long time ago, now seeking control over other people through either tricking people into following him or abusing them until they listen, because he lost the control he once had. Because the branding scarred him so deeply it changed him as a person. But because of his obsession with control over others, he’s stuck in a mentally immature state. He’s just a scared child trying to get back at the people who hurt him and get back SOME semblance of control that he lost, nevermind how he hurts others because a child never thinks about such things.

He isn’t a misguided revolutionary, he’s a victim of abuse and racism that defined him before he had a choice, so he now tries to rob others of choice to feel better.

It’s the same thing Nazi Germany went through in regards to WWI’s aftermath, where their economy tanked and they became hungry and cold so they sought out anything to make themselves feel better, even if the option was a manchild of a dictator.

And that’s why this is no one’s fault but your own, Collen. You were given a morally grey character as you say you were promised: You just threw a fit because it wasn’t 100% what you wanted.

18:07 And just because someone is evil doesn’t mean they cannot be pitied or understood. You are denying complex writing for your headcanon.

19:10 No you’re just salty and denying it.

19:41 and yet you ignore the bad decisions Adam makes on his path through life, deciding to be violently, giving in to his abusive urges, deciding to be selfish and deciding to hurt other people for his own benefit: basically preaching what the show said except worse in every regard.

20:08 You say as every ‘inconsistency’ you try to list is more evident of you ignoring facts right in front of you just to make yourself feel better than an actual inconsistency. I would have given this to you except by going through all this bullshit and spewing all of this, I’ve come to learn that Adam was never inconsistent and that the only fault was not portraying Blake’s symptoms of abuse more clearly.

20:12 And this si where we’re stopping because I swear, this one line makes me wanna smack you upside the head.

Adam didn’t ‘die’ in Volume 3. Your Adam NEVER EXISTED. He was never real, he was just an illusion built on misinformation and denial of reality. And yet instead of reflecting and thinking about Adam’s actions and trying to see if there’s a connecting thread, you decide to stomp your feet, flail your arms and insult everyone else, even the creators, just because you didn’t get what you wanted.

Either accept it or let go.

#rwby #rwby6

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mutant-jojos · 7 years

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marisathu reblogged your post and added:

umm maybe the first time Joseph had Caesar over?...

Caesar didn’t really know what to expect as he got off the bus at an unfamiliar stop.

He’d known Joseph “Jojo” Joestar, the scrappy, loudmouthed, purple-skinned mutant boy in his grade, for about two months. They’d met when Joseph had punched him in the face for flirting with a cute girl, starting a gritty fight, but the two quickly realized that they both had electricity-based powers, making them immune to each other’s normally invincible attacks. They’d clicked immediately, and quickly became an inseparable- and virtually unstoppable- pair, to the horror of their teachers and classmates who had enough trouble dealing with them individually.

Now, for the first time, Joseph had invited Caesar to hang out at his house after school. Caesar hadn’t had many friends growing up, only the occasional short-lived alliance between delinquents, so to him “hanging out” usually meant loitering in a parking lot somewhere, harassing passerby. He’d never actually been invited to a friend’s house before, so he was a little nervous, yet excitedly curious at the same time.

The brightly colored fall leaves New England was so famous for crunched loudly underneath Caesar’s feet as he followed Joseph. Joseph walked on top of the half-ruined stone wall next to them playfully, never faltering despite all the wobbly stones; Caesar guessed he’d walked on that wall many times before.

“-All the Super Smash Bros. games, and like Mario Kart and Mario Party and Mario Whatever, and Lego Star Wars is really fun too, and I think we have that Crash Bandicoot racing game, and there’s this game called Katamari that’s really weird but it has a multiplayer and-” Joseph rambled on, listing all the multiplayer games they could, potentially, play. Caesar wasn’t really paying attention, and didn’t particularly care which games Joseph had at the moment, but that didn’t stop him from talking anyway.

As they walked, the boys noticed a small figure hunched over in front of the wall up ahead of them. To Caesar’s surprise, Joseph immediately hopped down from the wall and ran towards the stranger. Caesar quickly followed behind him.

“Whatcha doin’?” Joseph asked loudly.

The stranger- who Caesar now saw was a boy with purple skin and a black and gold cap, presumably related to Joseph- stood up and gave Joseph an irritated look. “I was looking at a toad, but you scared it off,” he answered annoyedly.

“Whatever, toads are boring. Anyway, this is my friend Caesar,” Joseph told the boy, gesturing towards Caesar. “Caesar, this is my little brother, Jotaro.”

“Hi,” Caesar said, waving in a friendly manner. Joseph had mentioned Jotaro a few times; From what Caesar could tell, he was shy and nerdy, and Joseph was rather protective of him.

“Hi…” Jotaro said slowly, watching Caesar with a suspicious frown, and both hands in his pockets. He glanced at Joseph questioningly.

“It’s cool, Caesar’s a mutant,” Joseph assured Jotaro.

Jotaro’s eyes widened in surprise. “Really?!” he gasped.

Caesar nodded, grinning. “Check this out.”

With just a thought, Caesar gathered electricity from the cables above them, and formed it into a small orb that hovered above his hand, crackling and flashing and producing a smell of ozone.

“Oh, that’s it?” Jotaro said flatly, his face falling in disappointment.

“Hey, whaddya mean, ‘that’s it’?! People are usually more impressed by that trick, you know!” Caesar exclaimed, feeling insulted.

“I’ve seen stuff like that before,” Jotaro responded with a shrug.

“Let’s go already, I’m starving,” Joseph interrupted, ignoring Caesar’s indignant gasp at Jotaro’s reaction.

“‘Kay,” Jotaro agreed.

Caesar continued to grumble in irritation, but quieted down once they evidently reached the house.

The Joestar house was large, though not unusually so for the neighborhood, with a spacious yard. It was a fairly typical style for the area, and looked to be fairly modern, but at least 20 years old. The lawn was freshly cut, with hydrangea bushes flanking the front steps. Caesar followed Joseph as he pushed open the heavy front door.

“We’re home!” Joseph and Jotaro called out in unison, and took off their shoes, placing them in a plastic tray near the door. As they entered the main house, Joseph suddenly stopped Caesar.

“Dude, aren’t you going to take your shoes off?” he said, looking at Caesar as if he had just done something rude.

“Oh, uh… Right,” Caesar replied awkwardly, feeling slightly confused, but nonetheless took his shoes off and placed them in the tray.

As they passed the living room, Caesar and Joseph (Jotaro had gone on ahead without them) were greeted by a middle-aged woman with bleached blonde hair and a kind smile.

“How was your- Oh! You brought a friend?” she exclaimed in surprise. She spoke with an accent, though Caesar wasn’t sure which.

“This is Caesar,” Joseph explained.

The woman, who Caesar assumed was Joseph’s mom, smiled brightly at Caesar. “It’s nice to meet you, Caesar! Will you be staying for dinner?”

“Uh…” Caesar hadn’t considered this possibility. He wasn’t sure what to say. On one hand, the concept of dinner was very enticing, but the idea of eating dinner with Joseph’s family he’d only just met also sounded somewhat… uncomfortable.

Joseph’s mom seemed to sense Caesar’s uncertainty. “It’s alright, you can decide later. No pressure,” she assured him.

“Forget dinner, I’m hungry now,” Joseph complained. “Let’s go get a snack.”

Caesar followed Joseph into the kitchen, where they were met with yet another member of Joseph’s family: one of the largest people Caesar had ever seen in his entire life, sitting at the kitchen island eating a sandwich.

“Hi Joseph! Who’s your friend?”

“His name’s Caesar,” Joseph answered, introducing Caesar for the third time that day.

The extremely large young man smiled in a way that reminded Caesar of Joseph’s mom. “Nice to meet you, Caesar! I’m Jonathan, Joseph’s older brother,” he said cheerfully, while Joseph began pouring two extremely large bowls of Fruity Pebbles.

“N-nice to meet you,” Caesar stammered, still slightly in awe of Jonathan, who he was certain had to be a pro wrestler in disguise and not a high schooler.

“C’mon, let’s go hang out in my room,” Joseph told Caesar, nodding towards the doorway as he carried the two precariously-filled bowls of cereal. Caesar followed behind him.

“Dude, your brother’s fucking huge,” Caesar exclaimed as soon as they were out of earshot of the kitchen.

Joseph laughed. “Yeah, he hits his head on things all the time! It’s pretty funny. Wonder if I’ll be as big as him when I’m 17,” he added thoughtfully.

“You are pretty tall, but…” Caesar trailed off, finding it hard to imagine Joseph being that giant.

Joseph led Caesar up the stairs and down the hall, and kicked open one of the doors to reveal a mess of a room, with comic books, toys, and laundry scattered everywhere, and walls plastered with band posters. Once inside, Joseph shoved some things unceremoniously off the desk, and put down the bowls of cereal.

“So I had this really great idea the other day,” Joseph began, speaking through a mouthful of Fruity Pebbles.

“What is it?” Caesar asked curiously.

“Hold on, I’ll show you in a minute. Gotta find it first,” Joseph replied. He began searching the room for something, looking under piles of stuff, in boxes, under the bed, and under piles of laundry before finally finding what he was looking for inside one of the desk drawers. He tossed a small plastic bag containing a variety of colorful rubber bands into Caesar’s hands.

“I figured out that I can use electricity to melt silly bands,” Joseph said with a mischievous, giddy smile. “I was thinking, we could fuse ‘em together and make like, fucked up Animorphs silly bands, and then sell them at school,” he explained enthusiastically.

“Woah, that’s pretty cool,” Caesar agreed, examining a misshapen outline of what appeared to be Spider-Man’s torso stuck on top of a t-rex body. “Think we could really make a profit, though? I mean we’d have to buy twice the silly bands, I dunno if people would be willing to pay that much,” he pointed out.

“Oh yeah, I didn’t think about that…” Joseph admitted, frowning in disappointment.

“Here’s a better idea: what if we just offered to fuse other people’s bands, and charged a service fee? Then we wouldn’t lose anything,” Caesar suggested.

Joseph gasped. “Bro, you’re a genius!”

“I know,” Caesar replied smugly. “Now let’s get making some examples!”

“Hell yeah!”

#marisathu #JJBA #Joseph Joestar #Caesar Zeppeli #This wound up longer than I planned and also I couldn't really think of a good ending so I apologize for that but w/e #Writing

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