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darlingpassion · 8 days

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WAIT.

Something just occurred to me that I dont think we've ever talked about. A very terrible one, so- trigger warning for sexual assault (the whole Lottie conception thing).

So Rena fucks black-out-drunk Smartass on a really bad night after a terrible fight with King. She was under the influence of hard drugs, but, still- she was more Aware, then he was. He resembled her husband, and in her fucked-up, drug-addled mind, gravitated towards him. Used him. Left early and got pregnant.

It was a fucked up situation all around but Rena was definitely the instigater and in a bad place head-wise; emotionally erratic and a loose canon.

Well... in the universe where they all know eachother eventually- does Shiny k n o w??? Does Poppy know??? If King found out about Lottie, Rena would definitely tell him the whole story. But I don't think she'd go around telling just anyone (or if she'd even care. Or think about it at all. Getting drunk and fucked up and doing 'fucked up shit' (little baby firefly reference for you to lighten the mood XD ) is an all the time kinda thing for her after all). And I doubt that Smartass would, either. So...

??? What do you think? Maybe King tells them. How do they react? 🤔

(Oh god what of LOTTIE found out. She already doesn't want her mother, now she's about to kick this woman's ass)

This... I knew we had to confront it when we started to ship our OC's together, but I was afraid to 😅😭😅😭

Hooooooooo boy. Ok. Lemme break this down. I've been simmering on this ask for the past couple of days cause I wanna D I S C U S S this-

First off- whether or not Poppy and Shiny know what Rena did.

Hm... I feel like it's kind of yes, kind of no? And Shiny knows more than Pops does. Obviously, they don't know who the mother is, and if Smartass can't remember that night, then he's either blocked the memory out or he was that black out drunk. I don't think the darker side of this would really sink in for Poppy early on because, although she does know creeps exist, she imagines them being more confrontational; she did kind of grow up sheltered, and the only creeps she's encountered in Downtown are those who aren't subtle. So she doesn't think about the consequences of leaving your drink open in a crowded bar, or someone waiting until you're inebriated and not sound of mind to invite you over to their place (i really really really want to write Poppy getting drugged at a bar while hanging out with Greasy or Shiny, and they notice and take care if shit. Kind of like your Jim x Reader drabble). It took her a while to realize that how she and Henry met was also pretty predatory on his part, though.

Remember when I told you I imagine Poppy actually being there the night Lottie was dropped off on their doorstep? I also see her, after getting over the shock of a baby in this mobster house, trying to help Smarty retrace his steps so they can figure out where the baby even came from, "Ok, do you remember where you were nine months ago?" "Who the hell keeps track a'that!?" "Nobody, but in this case, we really need to figure that out-" Whether Smartsss remembers and tells her or not, after thinking it over, I think Poppy would suspect that Smartass was also taken advantage of and is scared and sorry for him. She'll ask him if he's OK and assure him it wasn't his fault, even if he tries to brush it off. As usual, Poppy would go into well-meaning-but-kinda-overbearing mode. She hopes that maybe the mother was also drunk- it's still bad for them both, but it's better than if she soberly saw Smartass in the state he was in and slept with him still. She wouldn't be sure if she should keep Lottie's hope up for her mother in this case since they only know Smartass' side, and will listen if he or Lottie says they aren't interested in the possibility that her mother may come back.

Shiny on the other hand, she's encountered nearly every type of fucker you could think of, especially now that she works in the adult entertainment industry. She's even fallen victim to some of them in the past. It's part of why she's so ready to square up and gouge someone's eye out if they give her the wrong vibe- hell, when she's out with her gals, especially Poppy, she's sniffing out for creeps while having fun. It's just second nature to her at this point. So when she was told about baby Lottie and heard that Smartass had no memory of that night, her alarm bells were already ringing in her head. Even if she annoys Smartass, she does see him as kind of like a little brother... A little brother who's a little asshole and got little man issues, but a little brother all the same (yes, that means she sees Stu as her little brother too. And he's a whole lot nicer than her other adopted brother XD), so she's also got that protective streak in her despite constantly teasing him.

She wants to find the bitch who took advantage of him, and tells him they should go find the mother- not for Lotties sake, but for his. Shiny is headstrong, so it'd take a lot for the guys to convince her to don't bother if Smarty doesn't want to go through all that trouble. Shiny wouldn't approve if Poppy tried to encourage Lottoe to be hopeful about her mother. Even if she wasn't such a monster like Shiny is imagining her to be, she still left her daughter. In Shiny's eyes, that's inexcusable. But maybe this is why Shiny hates Rena so much; she got the vibes from that woman without even finding out she was Lotties mother.

So even though Poppy and Shiny don't know the whole story, they both do end up suspecting and worried for him. Shiny would have no issues against telling Lottie that her mother is a bad person, and Poppy is trying to figure out what to tell Lottie when she asks (honestly they'd probably sit down together and go back and forth, especially if this is after Lottie asked Poppy if shes her mother and Poppy needs advice). If either of them met Rena after this?? And found out what she did???? Hoooooo boy.

Shiny is gonna start swinging, regardless if they've fucked or not. Enough said. Rena is a weapons expert, but Shiny inherited her dad's honey badger crack-head determination. It's anyone's fight at that rate.

Poppy? Ohhhhh ho ho ho, it depends on their relationship. If she just remained uncomfortable around Rena (which would happen in the Pocho, or any weasel ship, timeline. I don't care how alluring Rena turns it up, Poppy ain't cheating on her S/O), then this gives her more incentive to stay away from her. I can see her confronting Rena, even if it has been years at this rate. How could she have gone after a drunken man?! Even if she was having a bad day!? Don't even get me started on Poppy's thoughts about Rena only coming back into Lottie's life when she wants something. The mama bear in her would really rear to the surface if that happened.

If she and Rena started a relationship though??? Oh... Oh hell no. This is so much worse than Rena dropping Poppy for Henry. Poppy also confronts Rena here, but she's so much more angry and disgusted than she was with the topic of Henry. If Rena doesn't show some kind of remose for what she did, Poppy will break up with her... She might break up with Rena anyway- which is pretty big in and of itself because, as I'm sure you've noticed, Poppy has never been the breaker in a relationship. How do you think Rena would respond to that?

Now granted, Rena was also under the influence. But as you said, she was more aware. I think maybe this might make Poppy hesitate? She doesn't indulge in drugs (except that one time Wheezy got her high on weed by accident *cough*) and she prefers to drink on specific times, so she's not so in-tune with how inebriated someone can get and how in control they can be. Shiny, however, she is a hard drinker and smokes (she sticks to Marijuana herself, but she has had a few friends who indulged in more serious drugs. Her slasher self, though, indulges in them greatly), so she does know that there are various levels of sobriety and intoxication. And she's pretty sure Rena wasn't black out drunk like Smartass, especially since she actually remembers that night.

Poppy, conflicted and unsure: Shouldn't we... Aren't we supposed to take her condition that night into consideration, too??

Shiny: that's actually a good point, Pops.

Shiny: *turns to Rena* do you remember what happened that night?

Rena: Yeah-

Shiny: Then kindly go fuck yourself with a sandpaper wrapped cactus that's tipped with E. Coli.

Now as for King... Poppy would have mixed feelings. It's obvious he's not like Rena and doesn't agree with what she does, but why are they still together?? Yes, he loves her, but... *looks at Rena and her cheating hoe-ass* yeah... Meanwhile, Shiny is suspicious of him if he's still with Rena afterall this. What kind of skeletons does he have in his closet?? Other than the obvious. She would try to keep Poppy away from King if this happened in the Kingpop timeline.

As for Lottie. Poppy wants to protect her, so she'll try to stop her from kicking Rena's ass. Yes, she's got training from the navy, but she won't let her little neice get hurt! Let her take care of this, sweetie. You and your father need to get away from this woman. Shiny would jump into the fight first... But she'd let Lottie get her kicks in too. And they can go get a drink at the bar afterwards and either sit in silence or talk about it, whatever Lottie would want.

So, tldr, Poppy and Shiny may not be told all the details, but they would start to suspect on their own. And Riny and Renpop would be nonexistent in this AU.

Fuuuuuuucccckkkk this hurt my heart so bad, especially the part of me that loves the Rena ships despite how dysfunctional they'd be. But we needed this too. What do you think?

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wkandaforever · 2 years

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but now for my actual question: what do you think about the notion that all of namor’s interactions with shuri were planned/strategic and there wasn’t really anything special with their dynamic? also, if nakia’s infiltration went differently or didn’t happen at all, do you think namor and shuri would have been able to come to a consensus over riri? what would a talokan and wakanda partnership even look like?

for the record i also love how interested you are in talokan because same!!! what i would do for someone to write something centered on them and their day to day lives, what politics look down there, their military, their technology, and so forth.

oh god. oh my god. be steady my heart. okay i will try to organise my thoughts and attempt to answer this coherently

honestly, i don't disagree with you about namor's interactions being strategic/planned. i think being vulnerable with shuri was his strategy. even if you don't see their interactions as romantic, i still think they are literal mirror images of each other, and that fact in and of itself makes their dynamic so interesting and complex

you see, namor's primary motive is the protection of his people. he was living peacefully and quietly with his kingdom all these years, and only revealed himself when his people were under attack, because their resources were exposed. now namor is the kind of king who'll do anything to save his people, be it expose themselves to the surface people, attack and kill the surface people, or even form an alliance with the most powerful nation on the planet to defend his people and resources from the surface people

now there were so many ways he could've gone about forming the alliance. why kidnap shuri? why introduce her very closely to the people he's trying to protect, putting their safety on the line? why not take the easy route and form an alliance with queen ramonda, the current ruler of wakanda, when she literally comes to him personally, and alone, and asks him what he would like in return for her daughter? why does he reply with "nothing"? why lose that perfect opportunity? why go through so much hard work to get shuri, and only shuri, on his side? i think it's because he recognises something in her that all this time he only saw in himself. i think he feels a spiritual connection to her right there on the beach (which parallels so well with the whole science v/s tradition/spirituality theme going on in this movie) that allows him to trust her and open up to her later on. sure, maybe he planned the whole thing, he's a really smart guy after all, didn't manage to stay hidden for half a millennium if he wasn't a planner. but the fact that he chose to plan it this way...

with regards to nakia's infiltration... see the whole situation was so tragic. it's just one tragedy after another. i can't say namor is wrong for wanting an alliance to protect his kingdom and is doing everything he can to get it, and wages war when he fails to protect one of his people. i can't say queen ramonda is wrong for wanting her kidnapped daughter back when she's already lost so much. i can't say okoye was wrong for wanting to help shuri get outta her lab and and distract herself from her brother's loss, but lost shuri in the process. i can't even say shuri was wrong for not building the synthetic heart-shaped herb on time to save her brother. but they all blame themselves don't they? sometimes in life we try so hard, give our everything, but it's just not good enough. we're not good enough. but there are external forces at play, a grander plan that we aren't even aware of. we just have to try our best and trust the process. namor had to trust shuri, to give shuri his mother's bracelet, and shuri had to keep trying after countless failures to learn that the key to her becoming black panther is that very gift given to her through so much trust, and she had to fight namor to learn what it feels like for your vengeance to consume you, and then to give it up. i think all of this, the grief the loss the pain, it was all meant to happen, in one way or another, because the challenges they faced made them who they are. if things went differently... i still think they'd be tragic but in a different way. i don't think easy resolutions exist to complex problems

and to your last question "what would a talokan and partnership even look like?" yeah. wow. i don't know. i would like to know, though. both nations protect their land and their people fiercely. queen ramonda challenges the UN when they're under attack at the beginning of the movie, declaring that just because they don't attack first, doesn't mean that they aren't capable. that if they're provoked or threatened again, it would mean war. and we all know who would win if wakanda launches war against the world. i think namor's beliefs about his land and people are very similar. and alliance between wakanda and talokan, the two most powerful nations in the world? france and america would be quaking in their seats just Thinking about it. and shuri has offered an alliance to namor, technically they are on the same side now. i'm excited to see what they're capable of together

#wakanda forever #black panther 2 #wakanda forever spoilers #bpwf spoilers #comradekarin #shiny message ✨️#thank you for this!!!!#this gave me so much to think about wwoooowww #im sorry its so long i just!!! have so much to say #and yes omg i cant write for shit but if you find any talokan fics!!!!#pls send them my way!!!! <3333 #i would rlly appreciate it!!!!

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