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Me, a jonsa: Jon and Sansa will marry as foreshadowed by Ghost successfully defending his prize chicken in the very first book. Yes, Sansa is the honeyed chicken. No, I will not take any constructive criticisms your honor.
#jonsa#Pls let no aegont see this or they'll have a field day with screenshots again#this is big galaxy brain moment for me#Shhhhh#already had a meta ab this bfor but it's beennlost again
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I think Jon and Sansa will have 2 weddings. First, a secret wedding during the war and another public one years later that involve the consummation of said marriage. We already have a precedent for two weddings by a famously in love sibling couple with Jahaerys and Alysanne. And I remember something in the earlier season Sansa talking about her marriage to Joff happening after "all the fighting's done" so there's that. Maybe a clue? The Eyrie thing proves true if Sansa stays a virgin during the fighting. There's also Sansa's virginity being linked to WF's gates/walls.
"Winterfell has withstood fiercer enemies than me. It is Winterfell, is it not?"
WF's walls could withstand giant LF so it could certainly stand the WW. Again. HAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAH. Sansa's chastity is really something. I really do not like the idea of Jon fathering a bastard on her.
Benjicot should learn to keep his fool's mouth shut. "Is that what you would have from me? A bastard?" She pulled her fingers from his grasp. "Would you dishonor me that way?"
Would Jon dishonor her? You do not honor a highborn girl by putting a bastard in her belly.
"The Others take your honor!" Robert swore. "What did any Targaryen ever know of honor? Go down into your crypt and ask Lyanna about the dragon's honor!"
"You avenged Lyanna at the Trident," Ned said, halting beside the king. Promise me, Ned, she had whispered.
The dragon's honor would compel R to marry L and that's why Jon is not a bastard but the dragon's heir.Honor is also the reason Robb chose to marry. Granted, it is the end of the world and they may not care but that reeks too much of what happened to JD in the show. Is this where we apply what is honor compared to a woman's love? But we are talking about the girl's honor.
As for Jonsa having kids, I completely agree. We have a King Jon Stark who built the Wolf's Den and a den is something made to care for pups. The last book was supposed to be called A Time for Wolves so this tracks.
This might sound crackpot but there is also another clue that jonsa will marry and that's... a chicken.
The bitch growled low in her throat and moved closer. Ghost looked up, silent, and fixed the dog with those hot red eyes. The bitch snapped an angry challenge. She was three times the size of the direwolf pup. Ghost did not move. He stood over his prize and opened his mouth, baring his fangs. The bitch tensed, barked again, then thought better of this fight. She turned and slunk away, with one last defiant snap to save her pride. Ghost went back to his meal.
Jon and Ramsay will have the Battle of the Bastards with Jon's army outnumbered but he will win. His prize will be WF and with it comes a Sansa as we have established the gates of WF=Sansa's chastity.
"Hungry again?" he asked. There was still half a honeyed chicken in the center of the table. Jon reached out to tear off a leg, then had a better idea. He knifed the bird whole and let the carcass slide to the floor between his legs
It's a honeyed chicken. Something sweet.đđ I think there's a meta out there about the song that involves honey and bears.
"They'll find her," said Polliver. "If it takes half the gold in Casterly Rock."
"A pretty girl, I hear," said the Tickler. "Honey sweet." He smacked his lips and smiled.
Sansa is honey sweet. She is also Jon's sweet sister not little sister.
Septon Cellador sucked in his breath. "The king's prize. His Grace will be most wroth to find her gone."
She's gone Beyond the Wall and came back blue eyed with dark honey hair.
God grant that I never know true winter, then. Asha herself was spared the worst of it; she was the king's prize, after all.Whilst others hungered, she was fed. Whilst others shivered, she was warm. Whilst others struggled through the snows atop weary horses, she rode upon a bed of furs inside a wayn, with a stiff canvas roof to keep the snow off, comfortable in her chains.
Doesn't that sound like Sansa too?
Only the wind answered her, sighing endlessly around the seven slim white towers and rattling the Moon Door every time it gusted. It will be even worse in winter, she knew. In winter this will be a cold white prison.
They're both prisoners albeit comfortable in their chains. Why are both Asha and Val called the King's prize? Because they are being used by Stannis as tools to control Winterfell and who is the ultimate prize if not Sansa? The eldest true born daughter of Eddard and Catelyn. Literally betrothed multiple times so they could control Winterfell.
Arya was always quick and clever, but in the end she's just a little girl, and Roose Bolton is not the sort who would be careless with a prize of such great worth.
"Do you blame me, my lord? Such a prize is not easily won. A nubile girl, I hear, and not hard to look upon. Good hips, good breasts, well made for whelping children."
"Why do you take so much bloody interest in where I put my cock?" Tyrion demanded. "Sansa is too young."
"She is old enough to be Lady of Winterfell once her brother is dead. Claim her maidenhood and you will be one step closer to claiming the north. Get her with child, and the prize is all but won. Do I need to remind you that a marriage that has not been consummated can be set aside?"
Since Ghost will end up with the prize then *cough* Jonsa *cough*Sansa's hand is not easily won. The hero would need to slay a dragon to marry the princess.
Queen Cersei and Queen Margaery are fighting over the little king like two bitches with a chicken bone, and both have been accused of treason and debauchery.
There's also symbolism about chicken being related to the IT or at least Queenship.
How Jonsa will happen?
Most likely like Sansa predicted, in Book One:
"I love him, Father, I truly truly do, I love him as much as Queen Naerys loved Prince Aemon the Dragonknight, as much as Jonquil loved Ser Florian. I want to be his queen and have his babies."
In Case no one knows it, these love stories are inworld Songs about tragic and unfulfilled Love. Naerys was the Wife of Aegon IV and gave him Children, although she loved their Brother Aemon (according to this Song) and Jonquil and Ser Florian are Songs which are described as Sad in AFFC. So when Sansa says this in Book ONE, she thinks she is in Love with Joffrey, but given her relatively naive Outlook on Life, I would say she is more in Love with the thought of being in Love than with Joffrey.
I expect Jon and Sansa to happen with the realisation that their Love is not for the Best, in the middle of Winter, during a Food Crisis, with the Others on their Way, etc. And that won't miraculously change. And no, Daenerys won't be the solution to that problem, because what Jon and Sansa need is Food and/or Money, Daenerys has neither. So the best and easiest solution would be Marriage. Sansa marrying someone who can solve their problems, either someone with Money or someone with Food. The ideal would be both but in Westeros, there are either People indebted or soon will be indebted because Food will be needed and most likely will be bought.
And Sansa will marry someone, with one of these Things (I expect Littlefinger will be long dead by that point, so no luckily for all of us, this Creep won't be it) If Littlefinger dies without issue (because Sansa is revealed as Sansa stark and not Alayne Stone), it is most likely that Sansa will marry Sweet Robin, because, I think Harry the Heir will die, but Sweet robin will survive (mostly because Robin is the Reason that Baelish has Power in the Vale, not the Harding-Boy)
And because the Wall will be totally destroyed and never be rebuilt, Jon won't be at the Wall at the End of this Story, he most likely will become either Sansa's or Rikkon's Sworn Sword something similar to a Kingsguard. And what that means, I won't describe, but it will be very bitter-sweet. And Sansa will be in Love unfulfilled and married to someone else. And Jon will have his family back and only father Bastards, the very thing he never wanted to do.
#not me being convinced by my chicken metaphor#book jonsa#jonsa speculation#ice and fire boy and nothing so sweet
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Thinking about Jonsa and how Jon will wish for once in his life that it would be better if Ned Stark wasn't his father. He will have his wish but at what cost?
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my fave greek history story to tell is that of agnodice. like she noticed that women were dying a lot during childbirth so she went to egypt to study medicine in alexandria and was really fucking good but b/c it was illegal for women to be doctors in athens she had to pretend to be a man. and then the other doctors noticed that she was 10x better than them and accused her of seducing and sleeping with the women patients. like they brought her to court for this. and she just looked at them and these charges and stripped in front of everyone like âyeah. im not fucking your wivesâ and then they got so mad that a woman was better at their jobs then them that they tried to execute her but all her patients came to court and were like âare you fucking serious? she is the reason you have living children and a wife.â so they were shamed into changing the law and that is how women were given the right to practice medicine in athens
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See the reason why I believe in Jon/Dany is because of Jonnel and Sansa too among other things the Aegony stans talk about. Like imagine GRRM making JonnSa so people would expect a JD romance and how it's okay in universe bc the Starks are fine with a marriage based on technicality of non incest. Readers were made to root for a JD marriage based on technicality only to be hit in the face with a cousin marriage. Their argument that Jonsa marriage cannot happen fails when JD marriage hinges on it not being incest actually and been done before. And the fact that they're saying Jon would willingly marry his aunt means he is capable of jumping the incest hurdle but when jonsas say it "oh no they were raised as siblings."
Posted about how I donât care for/want a Jon/d*ny romance on r/asoiaf - and now Iâm getting cooked for trying to be âuniqueâ because theyâre actuallyyyy the fated soulmates lovers of the series that are HEAVILY foreshadowed bc blue rose wolf howl shadowy lover and every reply thatâs agreeing with me is getting downvoted to HELL.
It also just got me thinking about how people will bend over backwards about the obvious foreshadowing evidence for romantic j*nerys because âMartin is smart like that and places clues everywhere, nothing is a coincidenceâ only to dismiss anything and everything about Jonsa because itâs a delusional crackship and everyone is reaching and everything is a coincidence and George isnât truly thinking of any of their parallels and foreshadowings and their narrative relevance etc âŚ.. and when Jonnel and Sansa Stark are brought up , itâs to âproveâ that Jon / D*ny will marry because it means the Starks are okay with uncle/niece marriage.
I hate it here so bad.
#i feel like jd will happen but with a twist#jonsa is that twist#you want incest but actually not incest so bad
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Dany ordered the torture of wineseller's daughters because her favorite slave died? I DO NOT remember that.
Reference: This post.
"It will be done, Your Worship. Would you have me question them sweetly, or sharply?"
"Sweetly, to begin. Hear what tales they tell and what names they give you. It may be they had no part in this."She hesitated. "Nine, the noble Reznak said. Who else?"
"Three freedmen, murdered in their homes," the Shavepate said. "A moneylender, a cobbler, and the harpist Rylona Rhee. They cut her fingers off before they killed her."
Basically yes. After hearing that Rylona Rhee died is when she ordered the torture despite being well aware that torture will not likely give anything useful. So it's her anger working again and purely for spite. Dany stans would like to convince us that this is just nothing and not part of a pattern of behavior by Dany.
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Dany is the type of person who ordered the torture of the wineseller's daughters because one of her favorite slaves servants died. It makes sense that she would burn the "ungrateful" people of Kingslanding if Missandei and one of her dragons died but she did not gain anything. If you look at Dany's actions, she has never given up anything with no benefit to her. She always chose the IT over anything else. Her biggest hero moment was her freeing the slaves but funnily enough, that did not cost her anything. She even gained a slave army for free. Dany stans love to tout that the slavers were monsters yet Dany only became an abolitionist when it suited her.
Show Danyâs burning of KL has always been seen as a Mad Queen argument but I always thought of it as entitlement and rage emanating from that entitlement. The people of Westeros were supposed to welcome her and her armies, they were supposed to open their arms and open their forts up to the rightful ruler of their kingdom, they were supposed to vouch for her not be resistant to her rightful conquest, not attack her, provide her with what was hers all along, overthrow the usurpers in her name before she even came along. They were supposed to be on her side and they werenât. They betrayed her. So she burned them and she took what was hers, with fire and blood. It wasnât some of unreasoned madness but I feel wrongfully reasoned clarity.
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I am a bastard too now just like him.
This is another RLJ clue if we think about it. Sansa is "just like" the bastard Jon Snow which is to say not at all. They are legitimate children who were given a bastard identity by their "father" to protect them from harm. She is a Stark while he's a Targaryen.
#that's ice and fire baby#jon is not a bastard#post this under rlj were married tag#idk what tag i prev used for them
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