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*rifling through a book of 80s slang* uh err bodacious :)
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favorite comic book character: four artists → rick leonardi
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this is no laughing matter, Dick. get this guy to the skate park NOW
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Dick resurrecting Bruce via Lazarus Pit and his reasons for doing so left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially when Dick tried to talk Tim out of it. I don't like it. I wish Tim found out about it and... Had a serious discussion with him? Hit him? Left? I dunno.
Oh man, it's hard for me to talk about this one without the Doylist approach. I'm gonna come back to these panels, but I just want to leave them here as a contrast between how Dick is written in his solo vs. how he's written in Batman and Robin:
Dick: Tim... I ... where does it stop, right? What about your mom, then? My mom and dad? Bruce's...? (Nightwing 139)
Dick: This isn't just "loved ones," Alfie. It's Bruce Wayne, the Batman. He saved our lives, he saved the city and the world how many times? (Batman and Robin 9)
I have SUCH complicated feelings about the Morrison Batman and Robin run? I like a lot of the Dick-Damian-Alfred dynamics, and I love the idea of villain!Jason as a major antagonist for DickBats, and I love what I think is the concept of the Lazarus Pit arc, which is that Dick's slowly crumbling under the pressure of being Batman and Jason's taunting is the last straw that finally pushes him to make a terrible mistake.
But I don't like the execution of the Lazarus Pit arc, and the disregard for big chunks of post-Crisis continuity and characterization is sooo frustrating. ("I don't like to plan"/pro-Lazarus-Pit!Dick, cartoonishly-evil!Talia, redhead!Jason, etc.)
And yet. AND YET. So many of the concepts are so good! The execution is so messy, but the concepts are so good! I want to tear it all up and then put it lovingly back together but different sdfdsfs
I had a lot of thoughts, so below the cut:
Why characterizations in B&R are a huge departure from previous continuity (Doylist version)
Why the Lazarus Pit arc COULD BE SO GOOD though (and how we can make it work with Watsonian reasoning)
Finally getting back to your question - how would Tim react? (tl;dr probably with concern and worry?)
Characterization Changes
Just to give you a bit of an idea of how abrupt a departure B&R is from Dick's solo, here are some panels showing some major changes.
1) Dick on Lazarus Pits: Pro or Against?
Here's Dick arguing against using the Lazarus Pit and telling Tim it won't bring back the soul in Nightwing 139:
Here's Dick doubling down on the evilness of the Lazarus Pit when Ra's taunts him with it post-Bruce's death in Nightwing 152:
But here's Dick arguing that the Lazarus Pit will be fine and that he doesn't believe in "prophecies of doom" in Batman and Robin 7 (and indeed, also in B&R, he'll kill and resurrect Kate with zero consequences - convenient!):
2) Talia: protective or cruel?
Here's Talia worrying about Damian's safety and teaming up with the Batfamily to try to save him from Ra's in Resurrection:
But here's Talia smirking after telling Damian they're enemies now and she's going to replace him with a clone in Batman and Robin 12:
3) Dick and planning
Here's Dick-the-planner in Nightwing 142:
Tim: That's a lotta ordnance.
Dick: Failing to prepare is preparing to fail.
But here's Dick the impulsive leap-before-you-look guy in Batman and Robin 9:
Dick: ... Okay, I'm sorry - I don't like to plan, I work without a net... I'm not Bruce.
4) Resurrection: the right choice or the wrong choice (part 2)
Here's Dick telling Tim he made the right choice (not trying to resurrect anyone) in Nightwing 139:
But here's Dick insisting that resurrecting Bruce would've been the right choice in Batman and Robin 9:
This is one of those "clearly some people were writing angry letters to the editor" moments sdfdsfds, because it's awkwardly attempting to address Dick's abrupt about-face but the writer still hasn't read the issues in question because
a) Alfred has no way of knowing Dick's previous stance and it's incredibly weird that he would,
b) "cautioned against" the Pit is a lot milder than "had a fist-fight with Tim about it,"
c) Dick's argument has shifted from "the Pit is an eldritch evil that's untrustworthy and probably soulless" to "look, resurrection is a special thing, and not all loved ones are important enough for resurrection," which, uh, okayyyy, and
d) Dick is still full-naming "Tim Drake" as if he's a business associate and they had an argument about how to properly file paperwork and now it looks like Tim Drake was right after all, as opposed to Dick's little brother that he had a huge fight with and who subsequently ran away from home insisting that their dad was alive and that he was gonna prove it and now it turns out their dad is alive
Why This Arc Could Be Great Though
Listen, Dick-driven-to-the-Lazarus-Pits is a great concept. I love narrative foils. I love Dick ending up in the exact same place that Tim was in Resurrection, and even though he knows better. I love Dick being that desperate. Here's the setup:
Damian's back gets broken, Alfred takes him to get emergency treatment from Talia but it's not clear if he'll recover,
villain!Jason taunts Dick about not caring about Bruce,
Dick's been slowly crumbling under the pressure of being Batman and between the guilt of Damian being injured and the blow of Jason's accusations (not to mention having to fight villain!Jason and get him arrested), this is the last straw,
he decides to resurrect Bruce even though he knows perfectly well this is a terrible idea because he was the one who talked Tim out of it
he heads off to do this incredibly stupid thing and nobody stops him because normally on the rare occasions Dick's out-of-control Tim shows up and stops him (Hugo Strange, the Joker) but Tim isn't here and actually the strain of that ongoing estrangement is probably also contributing to Dick's isolation and terrible decision-making
the attempted resurrection goes horribly and Dick has to fight a grotesque parody of his tragically-dead father
I love this idea!! I love it when characters make stupid emotional decisions with terrible consequences!! I love the ways Dick and Tim's arcs intersect and parallel each other!!
And I think this could absolutely be in-character for Dick. He knows it's wrong and a bad idea, but he's desperate and pushed to his limits and grasping at straws? Yeah. I can see it.
BUT yeah, not in love with the execution. My conclusion is that more people should write about this arc in fanfic. <3
How Would Tim React?
I think it depends on where you put Tim in the story?
Options that come to mind:
Tim finds out mid-adventure: Tim's semi-teaming-up with Ra's and underground in a League base - and suddenly he stumbles on Dick sneaking in with (apparently) Bruce's dead body! In this case, I think Tim's first reaction is defensiveness about his own behavior and assuming he's being spied on, and it only slowly dawns on him that Dick's up to something. I'd really want to somehow maneuver a physical fight where Tim tries to stop him, so you get a direct reversal of Resurrection, but mmmm I'm a little stuck on how to get there since Tim's working theory is that the body isn't Bruce's body, so I don't see why he'd be opposed to Dick dumping it in? But anyway, they should have a physical fight and a direct parallel where Tim realizes he needs to back off and let Dick decide, and then they hug ;_; I feel like to make this one work you need Tim really invested in stopping Dick, so uhhhhh maybe for some reason Tim's "rescue Bruce from time" plan requires the body of the clone? So Dick CAN'T put it in the Lazarus Pit, or Bruce will be LOST FOREVER?
Tim gets told about it after the fact: So uhhh for example, Ra's finds out about Dick's botched resurrection attempt and tells Tim about it in an attempt to paint Dick as a hypocrite/ entice Tim into using the Lazarus Pit. I feel like Tim would just straight-up not believe him? But let's say that Tim finds out for sure - either Dick admits it to him, or he sees some League recording, or whatever. I'm not really sure how Tim would react? Worried, probably, because it's out-of-character, and I feel like Tim might wonder if it's really him or if he's under magical influence or something? And uhhhh then ideally Tim realizes that no, it was because he was having a really hard time ;_; and then Tim is worried about him and comforting and/or apologetic and probably Dick is probably also apologetic and then they hug <3.
Alternate third terrible possibility: it is Bruce's body, he was dead and Tim was just in denial, Dick resurrects him but there are some kind of eldritch evil consequences, and then Dick has to call Tim back and they have to fight undead!Bruce together. I like this one >:D
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you guys i finally finished the batfam wuxia/xianxia ensemble
“no metas in gotham” sect leader batman says as he desperately tries to keep this a wuxia show and not a xianxia
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it’s the blue boy !!! got the sudden urge to draw him and had to act on said urge immediately >:D
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Nightwing Vol. 4 #97 [Textless] (Card Stock Variant) (2022)
Art by: Serg Acuña
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love how these panels imply dick is just running around with a stethoscope in his utility belt??? for what reason????? like babe just feel for a carotid you do not need to whip a stethoscope out??????????
#just feel for a carotid…#whats he gonna do w that listen to lung sounds???#‘he has wheezing bilaterally and crackles in the left base… that means his killer has to have been condiment king!’#(he aspirated ketchup and developed pneunomia)#he is so lame.#also wg w the hospital notification!! yes call medcom queen we love that!!#dick grayson#swag.txt#ntt.png
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In honor of this cold have a winter Robin! NO WAY Alfred let him go outside in the cold without a coat
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This came from a conversation between my aunt and I. The sad thing was she was right, she is a better driver while doing the exact same things Dick does.
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