oh, what’s that? Carly Rae Jepsen has released new music? Omg that’s so cool! Oh, yeah, yeah no, I’m totally going to listen to it, I just need to listen to all of EMOTION (Deluxe Expanded Edition) (2014) five times in a row first

Wish I was a late bronze age girl

I would have my homeland invaded by the sea peoples. I would be lain siege to by the sea peoples. My cities would be sacked by the sea peoples. I would make bronze tools and pottery. My shores would be invaded by the mysterious sea peoples. I would be mustering my armies to fend off the sea peoples.

Source: Dixie's Cowboy Ranch

MONKEY MAN (2024)

prev anon kinda right about andrew being the only one holding the ship together because he keeps mentioning jesse whenever he got asked about the social network (some of the question do not mention jesse in it too) idk if he is sentimental or he is just being nice in general but yeah that man does not let us move on, while jesse is like yeah i love the script, david fincher and aaron sorkin were amazing whenever someone asked him about tsn, last year andrew didn't mention jesse but he mentioned eduardo in an interview about whose character he played would have a watch collection 💀

anon I’ve typed out and deleted like 5 different responses to this.

So, okay, two things:

1) Eduardo WOULD have a watch collection. The man has a signet ring.

2) the interviews are bewildering and Andrew confounds me daily! And tbh i really would love to do an in depth “what’s going on in these various interviews” real life real world speculation session but I don’t feel like it’s okay to do so on my blog on the vast (and yet increasingly small and corralled and surveilled etc) seas of the internet, in 2024. We live in a world with stan twitter. We coexist with larries and Gaylors. We coexist with them in such a fashion, in fact, that my phone’s autocorrect always capitalizes Gaylors the way it always corrects ZAYN to all caps.

Sorry :(

And I tried to do the best that I could

Never Love an Anchor - The Crane Wives + Derek Hale Anon Request

Reading queer theory is crazy it's like. Here's a bunch of stuff you've been vaguely annoyed by but unable to put into words & why people act like that. And you're like wow that was really insightful & then you go back to watching the way people behave & your vague annoyance has been replaced with crystal clear well-articulated annoyance. I'm gonna start throwing books at people

from “the worst journey in the world” (1922) by apsley cherry-garrard

John Preston about Joan Nestle, from Sister & Brother: Lesbians and Gay Men Write About Their Lives Together

i understand that in 2024 people feel icky about facebook/mark zuckerberg and shipping these people but as someone that Was There in 2010/2011/2012+ im BAFFLED by people thinking it's strange lmaooo im like "what do you MEAN you think it's weird?? it was the best fanfiction ever written!!! it's not about the real zuckerberg!!! it's about the characters that happen to share their names!!" (also i need andrew to stop talking about jesse because every time he mentions jesse he pulls me right back to 2011 and I CANT... i can't do it...)(also i think of jesse's weird era dating his costar, then being shunned by the general public for being "rude" in that one interview, plus lex luthor, plus getting back with his gf and having kids and moving to god knows where...... also makes me go 🥴) BUT I DIGRESS

it’s like when you grow up your whole life thinking the way your family eats Mac n cheese is normal and then you go to college and replicate it and your friends are like “you fucking what?!” At which point you are forced to consider if anyone is normal about anything. Like these people are right. My prev anon is right! It is icky. But also it was a different time. It was a different life. The fanfic was literally unparalleled. Changed me on an atomic level.

I confess to having not kept up with Jesse’s career…has he denounced W00dy Allen yet?

Also yes for Andrew like literally every time this happens or he says he wants Ocean Vuong to be his wife I totally lose it 😭

I watched tsn last year because my memory suddenly remember that i used to see photos and gifs of it in 2016 and i read someone blog analyzing the relationship of mark and eduardo (in 2016) but didn't know it was a fb film, so i decided to watch it, to be honest my brain is pretty damage from working corporate job and seeing how nasty capitalism is, so my first thought watching it wasn't really wow gay, eduardo was in love!!! but was more like wow mark is such a jerk, i didn't see anything gay that people were screaming about 🙃 and being reminded that this is zuckerberg and his old friend irl did not help, and i also read the story of what actually happened irl and understand how eduardo was also a jerk too so i just jumped into ao3 to read fanfic, i actually wish i watched it during highschool or college time more because i truly can't consume queerbait series or films that aren't obvious anymore, normal queer film/tv series is fine tho. This is just my own experience i'm sure there are many tsn new fans who watched it and also enjoy how "gay" it is like you guys in 2010 too :) i just have damaged brain i think

oh no friend I’m so sorry about your job! Let’s get you a better one. I don’t think your reaction is wrong at all, like I said, it was a different time and you had to be there. I got into it in college and exited the fandom in the mid 2010s; I would never in my life get into it now. I think you are right…it’s 2024.

However I have been thinking about this since I got your message and I also think the constant analysis and the fanfic contributed pretty heavily to the atmosphere, plus like I said the Andrew Garfield of it all. Honestly I think the fandom boils down to a couple things:

1) the film has homoerotic subtext mostly evidenced by Eduardo. There’s a lot of time spent on Eduardo’s feelings about Mark, like even during the bathroom blowjob scene the camera takes a moment to remind us that Eduardo is thinking about Mark in the next stall. There is almost no time spent on Mark’s feelings about Eduardo. So this subtext is like, there are feelings and they are unreciprocated. Isn’t this so tragic when 0.03% happens? Mark certainly talks a lot about his feelings for Eduardo, but words do not matter. Action matters. Contrast this with a more classic queerbait like Sterek where 1) there was queerbaiting market and 2) there was reciprocal homoerotic subtext that could never be acted upon.

2) I don’t think fandom is super good at dealing with an unlikeable or unsympathetic yet compelling protagonist! Which means this protagonist is rendered much more sympathetically in fic and people watch or read the media source with rose colored glasses. “He would not fucking say that” x1000.

3) I’m not that much older than you I think but…there was this period in tv where there were canon gays who were as interesting and dynamic as a pool noodle and, meanwhile, in subtext and/or queerbait land, there were relationships that consistently got a lot of time and attention and so were sooooooo compelling. And those are the relationships that I, and fandom, tend to gravitate towards. Plus growing up there weren’t a ton of happy gay stories so instead it was like, you have Brokeback Mountain, you have Dead Poets Society, you have What Happened to Lani Granger? You have, for some reason, Glee (boring except for faberry and Santana). Thank god we are not there anymore.

4) I have bad taste <3

Anyway sorry for rambling here, your asks got me thinking because it very much was like hmm well yeah it IS completely inexplicable huh but I think a lot of fandom is like that.

do u ever remember that facial expression elizabeth swann pulls when she’s holding out the medallion at the edge of the pearl and ur just like ma’am……

since i'm one of those people who watched tsn in 2023 (i was 12 when tsn was broadcasted) so it gave me this weird mixed feeling whenever i read markwardo fanfic because knowing how bad these people actually are irl and not some uwu precious baby but i can't blame fanfic writers in 2010-2011 for thinking zuckerberg and saverin were cool because during that time facebook was indeed cool and the internet was younger at that time too, the fic are good i admit but sometimes i need a moment to rethink why am i reading irl capitalists fanfic, it's so hard to distinguish between tsn and irl material most of the time too and not to mention tsn was just a story written based on irl saverin pov of fb and he was also an asshole. The only fun time to enjoy tsn was probably 2010-2011 because fb was cool, the cast was close and now even the cast of this film probably don't even contact each other anymore despite being so closed in 2010, sorry for rambling i just think it's amazing that people who enjoy tsn in 2010 still post about it in 2024!

well anon. Like I said. You had to be there. Look I love context and you said you were 12 in 2010 so here is some context: yes the internet was younger and yes fb/meta had not destroyed democracy yet but I also think there was more of a sense of hope related to technology, as opposed to dread. A lot of tech and social mainstays had not happened yet, politics were drastically different, Chris Hughes (cofounder of fb & communications guy) helped Obama get elected, people didn’t think global warming was real, society was MUCH more conservative and homophobic, etc., and the internet was the place to be.

when you say the internet was younger I’m interpreting this to mean that FB had not come into its final form yet, which is true, but also it & the internet was such a radically different experience. It felt limitless. You weren’t corralled in as much. You could go anywhere, you could find anything, you could make your own websites very easily, you were not assaulted by pop ups and apps were not mainstream because Apple didn’t launch the App Store until 2008. It was so easy to learn how to code. The operating systems between Apple and Android were SO distinct. Twitter launched in 2008/2009 but wasn’t quite so relevant until idk 2014? Fandom had just migrated from LJ to Tumblr but Tumblr was also hotter with the aesthetic girlies and porn blogs. “The algorithm” didn’t run the world. Yesterday I tried to find an article by searching for it and both Google and DuckDuckGo completely disregarded my request and did not turn up anything relevant. I can assure you that would not have happened in 2011. So there was SUCH a sense of optimism because the internet felt like a social good instead of an obligation that is increasingly privatized, surveilled, constrained, and decayed.

Which is why TSN got made and why there was an interest. It was a source of profound social change. But anyway. FB/Meta has ruined lives and it and all other social media apps that elevate divisive opinions to prompt as much engagement as possible (have you heard of the awful Isabel Fall twitter scandal? I recommend this article) are awful! And yet there’s an expectation of being online because a lot of communities now organize online, a lot of services require being online, etc., fandom has become less centralized/less unified, which is its own post.

Out of curiosity, what led you to watch the film? I do find it fascinating that there’s been a resurgence of TSN fandom. If this article had not been written I would not be posting about it but there’s still a lot of fic being written and fanvids being made to Taylor Swift songs. But it’s fandom devoid of all this context. So it is very strange, because you know what FB and all these people in it will become. I think I would have the exact cognitive dissonance you described if I watched it for the first time last year and tried to read fic. It is SO deeply fictionalized, so much of it is radically untrue, but you as the reader carry the truth in your mind. Which is why I cannot and do not engage with these days. And why I hold TSN in my mind curtained off. I spoke with many ppl from the original fandom yesterday and trust me, no one wants this.

I think, realistically, whatever movie Sorkin wants to make will probably be very good. It’s probably a good story to tell & explore. But I won’t be watching it. I lived that shit

sometimes i wonder if every part of my personality these days is a glowing beacon that shrieks to the world "this woman has a tumblr account!" and i start to get legitimately concerned about it except then i remember that all the people best equipped to recognize the signs in the wild are also on this website so. devil's sacrament, etc. the fact that the phrase "devil's sacrament" came so readily to my mind just then is probably a point in favor of an affirmative answer to that first question isn't it

this fan at my nana remind me of my favourite flower

I don't want to get my hopes on aaron sorkin new tsn sequel something script because his ass keeps lying about a tsn sequel since 2019 -ish and never really do it

oh, hopes? Hopes are not up. Hopes are down. The only way I can handle TSN is if it is a fossil beautifully preserved inside amber. An alternate universe that never advances past 2012. Solidly fiction devoid of Cambridge analytica, instagram, and trump. Sorkin linking TSN to January 6th nukes that. And like if this movie does get made and the gang gets back together I will become a mad woman. And I will be compelled to write fic! No, that way lies ruin, I need Sorkin to not do this.