The butch pal discourse is ridiculous,yes it was a scam but suddenly guilt tripping people into donating to you is horrible.you tell people their dumb for not looking into a scam enough yet hate on them if they even as much question a donation from a person who claims to be part of a real marginalized group.how am I supposed to know their gonna use the money for the purpose they say they are?we all remember that time two white(staright?even) girls lied about being being gay poc living in India with HIV. But you wouldn’t have mind if people donated to them before they were exposed right? That’s the point we really don’t know who people are even with selfies and crap. taht gurl once lied about getting conversion therapy but put her face and name on it,keep in mind your a tarnger on the internet.people have no more reason to trust you or the butch gal producers. And people are gonna donate to popular people cause they have more followers who see their stuff.a black trans guy with 10 followers isn’t gonna get any traction and it’s not due to their identity.its like saying people who kickstarted yooka laylee are bad people cus they could’ve gaven that money to people in need.cus it ignores that when that person in need gets the chance they will also spend the money on entertainment.butch gal said it was gonna be a tv show about all about lesbians witch is rare,people wanted that so they donated their idiots for not checking into it but do are people who don’t check random donation posts either.

And this whole thing is guilt tripy no one even if they have the money ya to donate to you. People donate to entertainment cus they get something out from it.wgile donating to a total stranger who they don’t know doenst do that. And by half the logic I see form people is taht even as so much giving money to entertainment is bad and that you should donate all your money to charting or people in need.whilst also those same people buy entertainment when they could’ve given it to a minority group in need.

I don’t see the problem with revolving one thing about your personality no matter what(as long as it isn’t bigtory or stuff that’s hurts people)since we only have one life and if someone wants to make trees their whole personality and how much they love them then who cares really.people are allowed to be boring, people weren’t put on this earth to personally entertain you

y'all need to realise that being gay/bi or trans isn’t a subsitute for a personality. like if the most interesting thing about you is your sexuality or gender you’re pretty boring lmao

“Honestly most trans gay men I met were stright girls who fetishize gay men and use the trans identity as a scapegoat,or a fujoshi.I really think they need to shut the fuck up and o never seen a trans gay men worth an ass but maybe their out there” If you don’t think that’s homophobic or transphobic then you need anyalza why

Lesbian representation online

Aces: -exist-

Lesbians: LESBOPHOBIA! OPPRESSION! APPROPRIATION OF LESBIAN CULTURE!

Transwomen: -exist-

Lesbians: HOMOPHOBIA! INVADING OUR SAVE SPACES! AUTOGYNEPHILIA!

Men: -exist-

Lesbians: SEXISM! PREDATORS! KILL THEM ALL!

Bi-/Hetero-Women: -exist-

Lesbians: TRAITORS! HANDMAIDENS! INTERNALIZED MISOGYNY!

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Also lesbians: Stupid aces, constantly talking about their „acephobia“! Silly how they want to be oppressed so badly to get all the attention from the LGBT community, amiright!?

Also lesbians: Why does everybody hate us so much!?

So I decided to check up on popular terf blogs (celtyrad/fem,spencer/shayy,radicalsquirrl) and they don’t have lesbain icons.and I scrolled through their blog and didn’t find a terf with a lesbain flag icon,but on celtyrad/fem their is a lesbain flag icon but it’s by a user who is antiterf and it’s the first thing you see(or second whenever you read this)

so then I decided to go on terf-callout blog.and scrolled for a long as time beyond the point where they showed their follower count is 666(I’m saying this so you know how far I scrolled) And beyond.idk how many terf users are on there.im gonna say beyond thirty,since I had to stop scrolling at one point. And three had lesbain flags,two lgbt flags,5 with the female sex symbol,two with a Diagram of the female sex organs(like you see in a text book)the rest where random shit or selfies.

I saw more lesbain icons by people who were anti terf more then terf themselves.so this doenst match up with people saying terfs run rampant with lesbain flags.and not to be that guy but your anecdotal report means nothing.i have screenshots of the terfs above(I would have to make a new post cuase I’m on the safari app and can’t input photos through reblogs) if you don’t feel like scrolling like I did.and before you get mad at me for denying your experience, people lied about having HIV while living in India as a poc in a gay marriage to write aids hamalition fic.so sorry if this offends you in anyway but I can’t just trust a person on the internet.

and I search both dreaming and furys blog with terf/trans and didn’t find any terfs with a. Lesbain flag.considering both are discourse blogs/or just likes to state their opinion,I think I would find more

And the whole point of me showing you terfs regular flag icons is to show you that if your afraid of the lesbain flag then you should also be afraid of the lgbt flag too.this is like me saying “I’m afraid of the ace flag cause aces are homophobic whenever I interact with them” witch also isn’t a valid stance.people Harress people all the time on this hellsite.but apparently you only care when it’s the lesbain flag is involved,people harp on lesbains but ignore bis,hets,gay men,aces, etc.like we legit on tumblr now have people being bluntly lesbophobic so now is not the times to equate terf and the lesbain flag at all

The problem is that you are saying whenever you see the lesbain flag you think of terf witch is a bad stance.my uncle whenever he thinks of the lgbt flag he thinks of people who Molest chrildren. Now my uncles stance is more drastic then yours.but it’s doesnt negate the fact that it has the same principles behind it.im not well reaserched in terfs and what they do to trans people.

But if their are horrible as people say they are just say you hate terfs don’t bring lesbains into it at all(also love how most the time people ignore staright terfs).amd if you say I don’t trust the lesbain flag then you better say “I misstrust the lgbt flag/female sex symbol/female sex organs” too.also a terf being a lesbain has nothing to do with her being a terf.and what do you want us to do about it? terfs are always gonna exist.the same way gay people who hurt kids are always gonna exist.and yor mistrust when you see the lesbian flag is the problem,it’s another stereotype we have to fight alongside with being angery and predatory.half the times people use “I mistrust the lesbain flag” as a way to hate lesbians hell the dreaming guy legit said he doenst want lesbains to exist so there you have it too.

I can go into so much more but half of people arnt even gonna read this

@sxpphxc I do get what you’re saying, and I totally agree. But I also argue that those who are being hurt by the intracommunity issue ALSO get a say. Like me.

I dunno call me crazy but like if u arent a lesbian or even a wlw for that matter and you say “lesbians have a problem with transphobia and are all TERFs” you’re just a lesbophobe and let me tell u why:

1. Trans lesbians exist and maybe think about why you are comparing them to terfs

2. Trans lesbians still exist and will have a more nuanced understanding of transphobia in the lesbian community than you do so listen to them first

3. Of course lesbians have a problem with transphobia, because many lesbians are cis and all cis people have a problem with transphobia. It’s a product of being a cis person raised in a society that rewards you for being cis and ingrains transphobic beliefs into you from birth. Saying it’s a lesbian problem, however, and not a cis problem, is like saying it’s a problem with brown haired people. Yes, brown haired people have a problem with transphobia, but not because they have brown hair! It’s because many people with brown hair are cis and cis people are the reason transphobia exists! Pointing the finger at lesbians is lesbophobic because lesbians are not transphobic because they are lesbians. When lesbians are transphobic, it’s because they are cis.

4. Isolating transphobia and TERFs as lesbian specific problems ignores the existence of plenty of transphobes and TERFs, who arent lesbians, and even if yall could get rid of all lesbians (which I know the thought of excites u deeply) you would still be left with plenty of transphobes and terfs who would be happy that you misunderstood their core beliefs and didnt actually get rid of them. Blaming lesbians wont help you get rid of terfs and transphobes, because the root of TERFism does not come from lesbianism (even if you will make the unsupported claim that “terfs are usually lesbians tho” - correlation does not imply causation and even if lesbians were more likely to be terfs than anybody else that does mean it’s fair to assume lesbians are terfs because they are lesbians)

5. And the most obvious one of all: assuming something bad about someone because they are a lesbian is lesbophobic. I cannot believe that is something that needs to be said but apparently this is news. If someone says “I’m a lesbian!” and you now have a negative perception of them, thats lesbophobia babes!

I was gonna post a hot take but yall aint ready

Telling disabled people their not allowed to make fun of people who make fun of them/use them based on their disability is ableist.crytyping is ableist based context.crytyping,when serious, is wholly used to act like their having an anxiety attack and exaggerate what typing with an anxiety attack looks like so onlookers will give them sympathy for their usually shitty behavior where people weren’t even that hard on them. Crtyping when serious is ableist.but people like anon who arnt using crytyping as serious and is in fact making fun of ableist people is not ableist. Hand tremors never look like crytyping.my ex used to have bad anxiety and I’ve seen her type during tough times and it’s mostly missspellings like the daffy user said.and you are actively speaking over a disabled person.witch you shouldn’t do.most disabled people have no problem with people making fun of people who crytype cuase crytyping is actually used by disabled people

inclus: the lgbt community is so divided within itself :(( me: so we should talk about transphobia within the gay community, the stereotypes perpetuated against lesbians and bisexuals by the community, and the hierarchy structure in the community. lets talk about more than white cis attractive gay guys inclus: a-actuawwy,, i just,,, wwant to be accepted b-by a community, that i am not a pawt of,,

T E A !

As a lesbain I don’t see the problem with bi girls using femme or butch when their asked by a lesbain or when in spaces with large amounts of lesbains .cause let’s face it places where women go to talk about their love for women is mostly filled by lesbains.and we have common terminology to communicate what we are and what type of girl we’re  looking for (butch4femme,femme4butch etc) and it’s easier to get across what you like if you just use butch/femme.if a bi girl is in a wlw space and says she’s femme/butch then I’m not really gonna care.but if she flaunts it even when in non wlw spaces then I care,she probably shouldn’t have it in her bio when her top post is about how much she loves men (witch in itself isn’t a bad thing like men if you want) or yell about how much a big bi femme she is. cuase these words do have lesbain roots and should be used when talkin in wlw spaces. Yes these words have history that shouldn’t be ingorned but if a bi girl uses it in the certian contexts I stated then I see no problem 

"Lesbians should have the right to be abusive and if you say anything bad about it, you're an evil lesbophobe" -exgaynegativity's amazingly hot take

I didn’t say anything like that? Lesbians can be abusive but the op of the photo didn’t make any indication that is what they meant.i was mostly saying why people were sour to the post.lesbians having a higher abuse rate is a stereotype so that’s why people acted the way they did.i never once called a person a lesbohobe.your projecting other people’s views on me.you never read the my post since I mostly explaining why people were negative to the post giving different perspectives as to what people took away from it,cuase a lot of people though differnet things I even said so in my post..tho if I did say something like that point it towards me,I will apologize and correct myself  and I don’t want hot takes, i want an actual discussion I’m not here for your tumblr drama.

Fetishizeing someone isn’t abusive.and you can’t fetishize someone who’s your sexuality preference.a staright men or lesbians finding women hot sexually and wanting to fuck them isnt bad.plus finding other sexes hot isnt fetishizeing,finding non sexual things hot is.i have a whole post on this if you look.so op original point made no sense what does it even mean.

Talking about this is hard cuase no one knows what the other person is meaning by fetishizeing.if you mean by the person going “dam I wanna fuck you” isn’t fetishizeing. Do you mean bing predatory?Well this post made no indicator that is what it was trying to say.it just said fetishing women witch isn’t a thing at all no matter who you are. If you meant predatory lesbians why didn’t it just say so?what even is a tumblr lesbain? I’m within the lesbain/bi tumblr sphere and it’s not like that in my own experience ofc.and there are even spaces dedicated to wlw abuse suiviors.

And once you know that “lesbians are predatory” is a stereotype it brings things to a new perspective. Imagine haveing the arms say “Mexican and black people” with the hands saying “selling drugs” although it may be true in some aspect you can’t deny it has racist tones underneath.and leaves a lot of people’s mouths sour.”I’m just saying some black peopel act like animals and do crime” that’s a more extreme version but why does it need to be said? especially with the belief that black peoples are this way and many people already believe it

And if your not a lesbain or a wlw abuse survivor (by the hands of women) you have no right talking about these issues.and most abuse experiences by predatory lesbians is by wlw themselves.it’s people implying staright women are the majority victims.a abusive lesbian (or any wlw) abused other wlw.rarly are staright women the victims.you can’t have an abusive relationship to people if your not dating them for a long period to even experience the abuse.then you have predatory witch I have experience but I’m not straight.i think that’s also a problem people have with this too.stright women are often not the victims of these, kinda like staright men arnt often the victims of abuvie or predatory gay men

And most the time it’s not on the scale of staright abuse or predatory ness. I know the staright is a majority and it’s a given but it affects more people then intercommunity issues as these.lesbains are already seen as predatory and abusive.theres already the belief that lesbain reltionships have higher abuse rates(witch isn’t true they experience it as the same rate) but staright women arnt seen as abusive at all.

I was gonna post a hot take but yall aint ready

Ok women can’t fetishize other women point blank period.you cant fetishize the sex your attracted to.a fetish is where something non sexual is used by a person to sexually get off to.and half the time your examples of “fetishing” aren’t  even remotely related to actual fetishizing.finding women as sex objects is sexualizeing them.and to do that isn’t inherently bad it goes case by case.i just feel like we all have differnet definitions of what we’re talking about 

Well fetishize means “to make a fetish of”(http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fetishize,https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetishize,https://www.collinsdictionary.com/amp/english/fetishize,https://www.thefreedictionary.com/fetishize,http://www.yourdictionary.com/fetishize,http://topmeaning.com/english/fetishize,https://mnemonicdictionary.com/word/fetishize) Is what’s a fetish? “a form of sexual desire in which gratification is linked to an abnormal degree to a particular object, item of clothing, part of the body” (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fetish,https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/fetish,https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/amp/english/fetish,http://www.dictionary.com/browse/fetish,https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fetish,https://www.google.com/amp/s/dictionary.cambridge.org/amp/english/fetish) And a genitalia usually isn’t considered a body part,even if it is the other definitions say object or activity, or no genitalia area so.everybody will roll there eyes if you say you have a fetish for penis if your a gay men or a staright women.most dictionaries use a foot fetish as an example. A foot is considered a body part.and the looking up the definition of fetishizetion just leads you back to fetishize then to fetish.so no fetishizatiom is not taking something and using it for your own sexual gratification.it means to take something nonsexul and using it seuxaly where you legit can’t get off otherwise by pure dictionaries standards

But lesbians find women sexy and attractive as do staright men.this isn’t fetishzing and to say so is saying any attraction is fetishizing witch is balantly untrue.its when you only seen them as sex objects or when you sexulaize them when it’s not needed.like women having powers relating to the amount of skin shown.like quite from mgs and the BNHA girl,all written by a man. I really don’t think you can fetishize someone that’s in your sexuality preference anyway.i think it’s just a sexualizing problem but people use fetishize so I’m going with it.

looking at porn or finding women attractive isnt a bad thing.but it becomes a problem when you look at lolicon or rape porn or porn where a women is being beaten.men are the prime customers of this media.and even if the porn itself is lesbian just means it’s for men enjoyment.most lesbain porn isn’t for lesbians but men. Lesbians don’t watch such porn like men.there are women out there but it doesn’t negate the fact these men are in positions of power where they created societies out of sexualzing women.ofc you could have a differnet idea of fetishing then me and I’ll like to hear it.

And if you believe this you need to call out staright women for fetishing gay men in their ships and sports anime who also happen to be teenagers too.who Harass creators for not making their gay ship canon.

Are you a butch or femme?

I am a femme most definitely.

I hate people who hate on poly relationships,since sometimes it is what a person mostly desires and who are you to say what a person can or can’t do in this regard.and it’s absurd that there’s laws against poly marriage.like who cares?its not your marriage.

But the reasons most marriages fail is cuase they just don’t love each other anymore,or theirs no communication between them.this can happen to poly marriages/relationships too.just cuase your poly doesn’t mean you’ll love all your spouses forever or that youll communicate more with them.and most researchers on weather or not humans are monogamous,say men are meant to sleep with other women to “spread their genes” while women sty and take care of the baby,just likes those animals you mentioned.since that’s how most anaimls do it.researchers say we are most Likly sexually polygynous,and at the very least sexually polygamous.none of the articles I read said that polyamory is natural or having more then one romantic partner at a time is better. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.livescience.com/32146-are-humans-meant-to-be-monogamous.htmlhttps://www.bustle.com/articles/121000-are-humans-meant-to-be-monogamous-heres-what-5-researchers-have-to-sayhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/marriage/science-vs-true-love-is-monogamy-natural/news-story/4575437e5f01242f426bac526e1ebcc0)

Polyamory

I said I was done with these but this one is good. Poly needs to stop being seen as cheaters tryna be sly with hookups, that is NOT what polyamory is!!!!! It isn’t gross and secretive and wrong. Humans were meant to be poly like SO many other mammals, but our stupid man brain told our monkey brain centuries ago that doing anything like other animals is wrong! So here we are in the Lord’s year 2018 still shaming on poly relationships of all sorts and demonizing anyone who calls themselves poly as marriages continue to crumble because successful monogamy is rare for a reason but people continue to ignore what’s right in their face