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Trashahime
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I miss your posts! Hope you come back when the second season starts.
Sorry! I forgot to post a message about my temporary hiatus that is now over.
I am a part-time foster mom doing emergency short term placements when work allows. My ADD causes me hyperfocus on certain things which I can't do when I have a child in my home. So I will completely avoid the things that tend to trigger a fixation, like fandom stuff.
My last placement lasted longer than usual so I was gone for weeks instead of my usual few days.
I plan in posting during the show's break but not nearly to the degree I used to. There just isn't much to post about.
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RT's latest remarks makes me think maybe I was right when I said she might have refused to give her approval to Yashahime if Rin was the mom. I speculated that she may not like the pairing because it goes against her view of their relationship but isn't bothered by the fact that people ship them. So Sunrise can do a mamaRin ruse as long as Rin is not actually the mom or Sesshomaru's wife.
And I also previously speculated that Sunrise is intentionally portraying Rin as very young and it's meant to be a clue that she is not the mom because she is too young to be so. And frankly, I still think it's foul. They could have done the ruse with Rin as an actual adult. But I also think it's possible they thought the ruse was more obvious and all these rather unsupportive interviews are meant to cast some doubt on the situation because they failed to adequately so in the actual show. We'll probably see more of them in the interim.
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Sorry, I really should have mentioned this in the original post...
I think given the time aspect of the tree of ages, Rin likely exists in a state outside of time where the concepts of past, present and future are meaningless. And with my belief that she can perceive the events going on outside the tree, it could result in a situation where she is like a seer. Kinda like Treekyo herself seems to be.
So while she cried before we saw the events, the tears were still in response to what she knew was to happen.
The thing that's on my mind was Rin crying at eps 24 when the twins fought and Setsuna died. Call me crazy if you want but this type of showing is very maternal, like mother's intuition where somehow a mom can feel when her kids are in danger. If Rin is not the Mom, why made her cry as if her mother instinct was on full mode? Eps 15 I can understand, but this eps? Can a babysitter/adopted sister feel something like this? The chart doesn't show she's the Mom but still.
I don't think it has to be a matter of maternal intuition and I am not just trying to discount any potential mamaRin evidence.
I have always thought that Rin had some awareness of outside events whether due to the nature of being in the tree or the connection to Setsuna via dream butterfly. So I wasn't surprised that she seemed to know what was going on.
I agree that her tears were in sadness over the events but I think they also have a purpose. For months I have been predicting a flood that was probably going to be connected to Rin. I think it's possible her tears represent all that rain that began to fall and causes it.
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Did you notice that Setsuna has a third red streak when she is in full demon mode? Any thoughts on that?
I did notice that third streak. But it's not just when she is in full demon mode. It's only evident when her hair is down.
But, I suspicious of it because with it's placement it should be apparent even when her hair is up, imo. So I feel like Yashahime is trying to call attention to the fact that it is being concealed from the viewers and that it's on purpose. But the reason eludes me.
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The thing that's on my mind was Rin crying at eps 24 when the twins fought and Setsuna died. Call me crazy if you want but this type of showing is very maternal, like mother's intuition where somehow a mom can feel when her kids are in danger. If Rin is not the Mom, why made her cry as if her mother instinct was on full mode? Eps 15 I can understand, but this eps? Can a babysitter/adopted sister feel something like this? The chart doesn't show she's the Mom but still.
I don't think it has to be a matter of maternal intuition and I am not just trying to discount any potential mamaRin evidence.
I have always thought that Rin had some awareness of outside events whether due to the nature of being in the tree or the connection to Setsuna via dream butterfly. So I wasn't surprised that she seemed to know what was going on.
I agree that her tears were in sadness over the events but I think they also have a purpose. For months I have been predicting a flood that was probably going to be connected to Rin. I think it's possible her tears represent all that rain that began to fall and causes it.
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I would describe Ken's previous comments 'lukewarm' at best towards the idea of Sessrin. I think seeing it on screen, her age and how young they continue to present her probably did catch hm off guard. But again, if a studio is trying to promote a show and THIS is the leading relationship, I wouldn't think they would allow for such an interview to come out were the VA seems genuinely confused and doesn't try to sell it AT ALL. It's like him saying "I'm honestly just as confused as you all are."
Lukewarm is a good description.
One my friends who thinks Rin is the mom believes Ken was advised to not sound like he endorses Sessrin because Sunrise knows that a lot of people are really uncomfortable with it. And that's also why it was portrayed so vaguely.
And if that's true, that should be a sign that it was a terrible idea in the first place.
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What do you think with the scene of Towa making Naraku barriers and his theme music playing when she absorbs Kirinmaru’s energy?
Im thinking it's looking good for those us in love with the idea of Grandpa Naraku. LOL
And I hope like hell that means Kagura is the mom because otherwise that horrific theory I made regarding Rin's backstory getting retconned might come into play.
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I was wondering if you saw the post from the shipper about the definition of grooming and had a rebuttal to it. I've enjoyed your recent posts on the matter and found them very insightful.
I know what post you are talking about.
Do I have a rebuttal? Eh, not exactly, just a reaction I guess.
First, the post is a prime example of why I said I avoid using the word grooming when speaking with non-antis. Just as I described they will pull out a valid but specific definition with certain criteria listed. Because in their view sessrin doesn't fit that particular definition, antis are dummies who don't know the meaning of the word.
The fact remains that expert qualified sources have also put forth valid definitions with broader terms. If the situation is that Sesshomaru remained in Rin's life, providing her with gifts over the years as some part of official or not courtship, it would absolutely fit those definitions of grooming. Some people think if something was acceptable for the time one cannot apply modern terms that decry it. I think that's irrational.
Note I said "if". IMO, the sessrin in Yashahime is so vague that it's possible to have many different interpretations of the situation. Some people don't believe that Sesshomaru courted Rin at all or had a romantic or sexual thought towards her before she was 16 and that she was definitely 18+ when she gave birth. The situation is still iffy to me and I think it takes an illogically generous interpretation of timelines and events to believe this. But it does result in a version of sessrin where the claim that Rin was groomed has less validity.
Maybe that particular poster doesn't hold the common shipper view that Sesshomaru courted Rin when she was younger or at any point. And given their stance that if it doesn't happen on screen it's a headcanon being forced on a canon narrative, it's possible.
My personal view is that because everything is vague and off screen, I will only go as far as to say it has implications of grooming but won't declare it an absolute truth.
The poster is entitled to their stance and superficially it's not a bad one. But it's unrealistic and I have to wonder how far they take it themselves.
Not every second of every character's life can be depicted on screen. Viewers will naturally fill in the gaps will their own assumptions and interpretations. Yashahime may have never shown Sesshomaru grooming Rin but they made it possible to make that a very valid interpretation with what we do know. There were so many ways it could have been avoided.
And I suspect that poster only applies the if it's not shown on screen it's not canon standard selectively.
I mean, we have not seen Sesshomaru say a single kind word to Rin let alone any declarations of love. He's actually been extremely cold. So by their logic, canonwise we cannot say he loves her.
Given the number of times I have seen that poster write defenses of Sessrin, I doubt they hold that view or consider a belief that Sesshomaru does in fact love Rin as a headcanon being forced on a canon narrative.
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Maybe they meant we’d see things differently at the end, meaning end of the second season or however long it turns out to be bc it seems that they had season 2 planned alongside 1 which would makes sense. We all assumed they meant end of season 1 bc we speculated but didn’t know about s2
I can't remember the exact wording. Maybe they did the end of the show and not the first season.
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My advice to viewers who are questioning the interviews / series is to STOP thinking of it as 1-24 but rather 21-24 since we were told thats when the story starts and we now have a confirmed Season 2. Understand that just because there was not a Season 2 in your mind as a viewer does not mean that a second Season is not already bought paid for and written. We can't keep thinking within the timelines WE put on a series to explain something. The pacing alone screamed, 'Season 2' underway.
In hindsight, I should have have given more consideration to the slow pacing. I suppose I didn't because I could see a purpose for a lot of the filler and seemingly pointless story elements if I am right about my theories.
I also now realize I allowed other baseless and silly factors influence my beliefs about what needed to happen in the show by the end. Like part of the reason I was so sure the mom twist and/or the debunking had to happen in the first season was because I thought the backlash from SR shippers would be greater the longer the mamaRin ruse went on.
I guess I unwittingly bought into the sessrin hype that they were important enough as a group that Sunrise would consider their reactions and potential backlash. Obviously, given the sessrin they did deliver, sunrise isn't giving a damn about shippers at all.
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Of all things Narita could say to respond to the interviewer's "Love has bloomed in Sesshomaru's heart," He chose to say "Sesshomaru is far from love" and also that if he was a father he had "experimental motives" when the show is literary about his daughters and his wife? Even for a personal opinion, this is a very cold reason. Maybe this interview was manufactured like you said. Let see how things tun out in season 2
Waiting to see how it turns out is all we can do.
Honestly, all of this and Sesshomaru's detached attitude makes me think the twins were brought into the world because they have some purpose to fullfil and are not the natural result of a sexual encounter with his wife. They exist because he needs them to even though maybe he never wanted children.
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"Ken’s prior remarks regarding Sessrin before Yashahime" which one? The only thing I can remember is that he said Rin was in his (sesshomaru's) heart. Like all this time he showed a sign of being SR supporter (the reason why shippers call him a King), then he surprised it actually happened? Weird. He could say that we all knew it was coming since the whole hanyou thing and Rin being the only human Mom logically
I think there was more than just the one about Rin and his heart but I can't remember at the moment.
His newest remarks are odd to me at the very least. Certainly doesn't sound like the enthusiastic Sessrin supporter people made him out to be.
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I really want to believe that the interviews were/are manufactured by so far none of the 'interesting clues' in the interview happened which was weird because season 1 had 24 episodes. The 'whole new truth' didn't happen. The whole 'audience would see the series differently when they see eps 24' didn't happen. The whole 'everything will make sense at eps 24' didn't happen and many others. The only thing I remembered happened was Setsuna's VA saying she didn't expect this ending aka setsuna died
I still think there is something to the interviews but understand why others don't. Especially with the statement about seeing the series differently at the end. The only thing I saw differently was that there was clearly at least 2 seasons planned and plotted together and I was mistaken fool to think they would resolve the major plotlines by the end of the first season.
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Idk. It kind of bugs me when people say that child Rin had freedom of choice.
Like... this girl lost her family. Got abused by her fellow villagers and was then mauled by a pack of wolves. Sesshomaru was the ONLY adult in her life (at this point) who hadn’t taken advantage of her. What choice did she really have but to follow him? It’s like their ignoring the external pressures that were clearly there influencing her decision making.
It’s not freedom of choice when her only other option is to go back to a village of abusers...and then some of them will say, “but sesshomaru didn’t make her go with him.”
Yeah, but he didn’t stop her either. He’s an adult. He has a voice. If he didn’t want her around, he could’ve abandoned her ages ago or allowed her to get killed. Plus, she’s a child. Like...what freedom of choice does a child have when they can’t naturally survive on their own either...
Yeah, to me it's always been just the illusion of freedom of choice.
IMO, those who insist Rin always had/has freedom of choice only consider Sesshomaru. They say he would never force her to stay with him as a child or enter a relationship with him when she is older. So she is free to choose.
But they ignore external circumstances, pressures and influences that hinder and affect the choices Rin can make. She is not as free as they want to believe.
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The articles and interviews are 100% manufactured. People need to understand that the goal of interviews and the VA is to promote and sell a show. Not have your voice actor go on there completely confused and dance around any notion of there being romantic love between his character and the mother of the children which are the stars of the show.
And even if this is his honest opinion, this is not how you sell a storyline that we’re all supposed to except and Digest as truth. 

Exactly, anon.
However, I want to clarify that when I say people disagree with me with the articles being manufactured, it's in regards to my belief that they are purposely littered with clues about the show.
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I get why people are upset about how Yashahime has made sessrin canon. However, I encountered a lot of antis long before Yashahime. I don't understand why so many people care what other people ship.
You may have asked the wrong anti, anon.
I am opposed to canon Sessrin but otherwise don't care that other people ship it even if I dislike it personally.
Like you I wondered why people cared back then. Now that I am paying attention and have interacted with both antis and shippers, I have a better understanding.
If any long time antis out there disagree with me on this, feel free to chime in.
IMO, the pre-Yashahime anti posts were probably a reaction to the actions and beliefs of SR shippers not the ship really.
Not all, but so many of them, hold a very romantized view of Sessrin and disagree with the idea that there is anything problematic about it. Furthermore, since the conclusion of Inuyasha many shippers insist that the kimono gifts being courting gifts and drama cd were canon.
While that alone definitely factored into some anti protest, I think the real issue was that some SR shippers are the most validating seeking shippers I have seen in any fandom. Some of them just don't hold views many antis find disturbing, they want everyone to agree with them. And that was the major problem.
Notice there has never been much anti inucest activity. It's not that antis think that ship perfectly okay. It's because those shippers just do their own thing and don't try to insist that everyone approve of it.
So, imo, back then it wasn't really about caring what people ship but more about how they ship it and go about interacting with the fandom, if that makes sense.
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This is sooo late, but sometimes I still have issues truly understanding the 18 years part of the timeline sunrise gave and how it all adds up.
So... During the events of Inuyasha, Inuyasha had asked for the pearl to be made. The story takes 1 year to wrap up, and after that is the 3 year time skip in which Kagome goes to the modern era and then back home (feudal era). Hisui is born, etc etc
6 months after she’s back, root head happens. 1 month later, the pearl is given, which essentially means it took 3 years and 6 months to make the pearl.
So after the pearl was given, is that when the 18 years starts? Or did the 18 years happen before the pearl was given??
The summary also said 4 years after the 18 years, the twins were born? So...does that mean, 4 years after the roothead incident, the twins were born?? I’m just totally puzzled on how the 18 years is calculated and how the 4 years for the twins’ birth is included within those 18 years?
I am kinda confused by it all myself. But if I understand everything correctly, it's because we are making it too complicated and Sunrise is using neither the anime or mango timeline. The important part is that the twins were born four years after Inuyasha got the black pearl which occurred a month after the root head incident. Which means Rin would have been 15/16 at the time.
Although, I have to admit that I am not fully trusting of the 18 years timeline because it came from Riku in episode 15. Everything in that episode is highly suspect to me.
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