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Info on Future Phantom Thieves
(as of the third beta; last updated 1/24/24!)
There are currently several known future Phantom Thieves, and a few other things that may either be related to one of them, or tied to yet another future thief.
The first up is Riko Tanemura, also known by the codename Wind.
She’s featured in promo art with the main cast, and she’s present as a silhouette in the second and third betas' title screens along with Wonder, Cattle, Closer, and Soy, so she’ll likely be the next teammate to join in the game’s story.
In all three betas, we see her at school, as a student who mainly appears in scenes to remind other students of the rules. She and Motoha seem to be at least a bit familiar with each other. She was also listed as a Confidant in the first beta (but it was locked), and was present in photo mode in the third beta. The third beta trailer shows her talking to Wonder in a scene that has not yet been present in any beta.
According to datamining, she has battle voice lines indicating she'll be a navigator teammate with the Persona Chiyome, who has been found in the files:
Her Japanese voice actress is Atsumi Tanezaki.
The next one’s full name is currently unknown (though her keychain says “Aran”, so that may be part of her name), but she appears in a scene in the second and third betas, and her codename in the files is Polter.
While no visual evidence of her future thief outfit exists in the files, she matches the naming convention used for all known Phantom Thief characters, both story and Phantom Idols, so it’s very likely she will join the team in some capacity.
In the betas, she appears as screenshotted above- riding on the train at the same time as Wonder, Motoha, and Cattle, they unknowingly catch her attention, and she digs around in her bag for her sketchbook as the train is stopped. However, when she looks back, she’s confused to find they’ve vanished into thin air (as they used the MetaNav to enter Mementos to get off the train).
She appears to wear a school uniform underneath her purple jacket, and her bag has the Kiga High School emblem on it, so she’s almost certainly a high school student attending there.
The third one’s name is also partially unknown, though some gossiping girls on the train refer to him as “Ikenami-kun”, so his last name is likely Ikenami. His codename in the files is Enco, and he appears very briefly towards the beginning of the second and third betas.
Similarly to Polter, his 3D model in the files matches the Phantom Thief naming convention, so it’s likely he will join the team in some capacity as well.
In the second and third betas, he rides the same train that Wonder is taking to school one morning. Wonder overhears two gossiping Kokatsu girls refer to Enco as a “good-looking guy”, then they recognize his uniform as being Kiga High’s, and exclaim he must be Ikenami-kun (implying he has some kind of reputation to be recognized for). He doesn’t visibly react to their gossip in any way, and is only shown reading his book for the entire scene.
Besides being a Kiga High student, his 3D model has a pin with a II on it, so he’s most likely specifically a second year.
This one's name is completely unconfirmed, though her apparent codename in the files is Liben, and she appears briefly in the third beta. Her Japanese name is written as 梨本成瑠海, which may be read as Narumi Nashimoto, among other possibilities.
She can be found during one of Wonder's Confidant events with Merope. She stands outside a maid cafe in Akihabara, and offers them flyers for the cafe. Later, Merope's Rank 11 event where they actually enter the maid cafe, after Merope has fully researched cafe etiquette, she is their server, and she and Merope play off of each other. Eventually Merope orders enough food that she gives her a special coupon to take pictures with her.
After a moment, she receives a phone call, and has to step away for a moment. The player overhears part of the conversation- she calls the person on the other end her older sister, and tells her there is bento from her part-time job in the fridge. Merope and Wonder have a conversation about going to the photoshoot another time, though I haven't found gameplay of this event.
Like with Polter and Enco, her 3D model in the files matches the Phantom Thief naming convention, so it’s likely she will join the team in some capacity.
Even less present in the actual game so far is an unnamed Kokatsu student with the files codename Wuhexi. He has portraits and a 3D model in the third beta, but has not been found in-game anywhere.
As with the others, his 3D model in the files matches the Phantom Thief naming convention.
Finally, there is also this character with the files codename Jitianzhudai, which seems to be her Chinese name rather than a codename. Her Japanese name is written as 吉田珠代, which has been translated as Tamayo Yoshida (written the same way as Toranosuke Yoshida's last name), though this name is unconfirmed and there are particularly a lot of possibilities for her last name.
She appears in the third beta during ranks 9 and 10 of Motoha's Confidant, having known Motoha in the past when they played baseball together as kids, and now being part of a high school girls' baseball team. She wants Motoha to join her team, seeing Motoha as her "eternal rival" even as Motoha's gotten rusty from not playing baseball for so long, and hopes to eventually revive women's professional baseball.
Like the above characters, her 3D model in the files matches the Phantom Thief naming convention, even if it seems to use her name rather than a codename.
Other possible aspects related to future Phantom Thieves include the “Pegasus” Persona in the files and an unfamiliar name.
Besides the battle portrait above, Pegasus has a 3D model as well. There’s no indication of whose Persona Pegasus is, however. It could be any of the potential thieves listed above, or someone else entirely.
The unfamiliar Japanese name in the files, 梅洛普, could likewise be either the name of a future teammate, or just someone Wonder receives text messages from.
#character info#third beta#wind#chiyome#polter#enco#liben#wuhexi#jitianzhudai#pegasus#if anyone finds wuhexi before the third beta ends I'll update this!
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“Wuhexi”’s portraits from the third beta! Wuhexi’s 3D model follows the naming convention used for Phantom Thieves (both story and Phantom Idol), so he’s almost certainly a future teammate.
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Saw this on twitter https://x.com/_mochacof/status/1748024383401058438?s=61
Oh yes, I found those portraits and was going to put them together once I'm done going through the files! He has a 3D model as well.
He's very interesting to me, because as the tweet points out, his 3D model files are named with the same naming scheme as thieves (story and Idol both): wuhexi_uniform, which implies the existence of a counterpart wuhexi_thief either in this beta or in the future.
I only slightly hesitate in calling him a future thief because "wuhexi" doesn't sound like a codename, as opposed to just a Chinese name like most character files are named with? Though I suppose "Bui" didn't really sound like a codename either, heh.
All that to say it's extremely suspicious and he's absolutely on my radar right now. So far every known thief has followed that file naming scheme in all betas, and I haven't seen anyone else with their files named like that, so I don't even know why I'm bothering to doubt it, heh.
#hatdude5236#I don't mean to withhold information by the way I was just waiting to make a post about him until I had his model and portraits together#third beta#theories#wuhexi
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There was an unreleased phantom idol. Art materials of characters that have not yet been officially released are shown (at 15:17).
https://youtu.be/nwnp9P8Ogb4
@etriansquad-yssey
Haha, yes, thank you everyone!! I must've missed this when I skimmed through the livestream myself, but I think etriansquad-yssey's right that the hairstyle reminds me a lot of Wuhexi.
So that's super exciting!! Looks like kind of a knight/fantasy armor sort of look?
#theories#wuhexi#fourth beta#been traveling the past several days and will be traveling/busy again right when the beta starts#so I've been doing what I can in the bits of free time I get but I'm not surprised I missed something heh
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This is probabily just a coincidence but if it turns to be true i will eat my shorts /J
Heh, we know that some of the portraits are based heavily on P5 characters' own portraits (for instance, Mont's original portraits being clearly traced from Mika's), so I'm not sure it can be taken to mean anything that Akechi's downcast portrait looks sort of similar to Wuhexi's. But it would be fun if true!
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If Wuhexi is based on a knight (assuming that is him in that concept art and assuming the design doesn't change), Pegasus could belong to him, given the association with Knights and Horses
I'd be surprised if it was anyone else, but then again, we do have some similar-looking characters floating around (for instance, the debate about whether Sepia was a character we already knew when he was first introduced, haha)! So you make a fair point.
And whoever it is, your suggestion about Pegasus and that thief is also a fair point! Pegasus has been a mystery for so long, it'd be nice to finally know what thief it goes with, heh.
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“Wuhexi”’s 3D model from the third beta. His 3D model follows the naming convention used for Phantom Thieves (both story and Phantom Idol), so he’s likely a future teammate.
He's evidently a Kokatsu student, and appears to have a first-year pin on his jacket.
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I made a collage of all the Phantom Thieves, including Sophie and Wolf, and the Phantom Idols. I didn't include Toshiro and Erina because Erina is Toshiro's persona and Toshiro's Mask is only seen in his awakening, plus the obvious, he doesn't have a phantom thief outfit and obviously neither does Erina.
Also, I always leave an open space just in case of future Phantom Thieves or Idols, mostly because of Polter and Enco because they're most likely to be Phantom Thieves, and maybe also Liben, Wuhexi, Jitianzhudai and the pegasus persona user or others. After All, what do you think and do you think that we're getting closer for any of these characters to be revealed as Phantom Idols.
Oh, this is cool, thanks for submitting! Makes sense not to include Toshiro, too, considering the P5T art style would look really out of place next to everyone else, heh. He's here in spirit (and of course Erina with him)!
I honestly have no idea if or when they'll reveal more Phantom Idols; I do think it's likely there are a few more, given Liben, Wuhexi, and Jitianzhudai (and whatever's going on, exactly, with Polter and Enco), but I'm honestly not sure whether they'll be revealed before they appear in-game, or when. At the moment, I think it's probably most likely that they won't even be present as teammates in the open beta yet, or they'd be in some of the trailers already! But maybe I'll be surprised, haha.
#theories#fanart#for lack of a better tag#personaphantom#liben#wuhexi#jitianzhudai#polter#enco#p5t spoilers
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Hey if you had to take a random guess out of the new characters that we know about rn and by them l mean Enco, Polter, Tamayo, Wuhexi, and Liben who do you think would be story characters for the game and if they are going to be characters soon what kind of powers/skills do you think each one will have? (Fire, Ice, Wind, Electricity, Psychic, Nuke, Bless or Curse)
Just like, completely my own guess?
I think Enco and Polter are the most likely to be story teammates. They're first seen early, and during the story, which feels more like the level of attention that a story teammate would get, as opposed to Tamayo/Jitianzhudai and Liben, who are introduced during another Confidant (which is more of a Confidant kind of introduction). Wuhexi's still kind of a complete mystery, since he hasn't been seen in game at all.
That said, it's entirely possible Enco and Polter aren't story teammates, and that maybe none of the five in question are story teammates at all! Obviously Tomoko and Kiyoshi are both first seen during story events, too, yet neither of them are story teammates. This is totally just my own guesses on who'd be most likely to be a story teammate based on the information we have right now.
I'll be honest, without knowing anything about their will of rebellion, Metaverse outfit, or anything, though, I have no idea what their skills might be, heh. Any guess I made on that, especially considering we barely know anything about these guys, would be a total shot in the dark.
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If Wuhexi is connected to Pegasus it could connect him to Bellerophon and given that he’s most famous for trying to fly to Olympus and dying in the attempt think Tower could fit also given afterwords Zeus used him to carry his lightning bolts maybe his element is zio and maybe his arcana is Chariot.
It's possible! Bellerophon has definitely been brought up while talking about Pegasus here before.
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Okay I'm going to throw out a bunch of theories but: a possibility of ikenami and "wuhexi" being related (not very likely, but my first impression is they seem to have similar facial structure ) | ikenami's codename "enco" being a form of "encore" (ikenami is a musician?) i'm curious to know how anyone from kiga gets involved or even "jitianzhudai" (since wuhexi is a kokatsu student and we don't know if liben is even a student or not)
Ikenami and Wuhexi being related would be fun, I can kind of see where you're coming from with that! I agree, probably not likely, but it'd be a funny detail if they happened to be cousins or something.
Yeah, Enco being possibly short for "enco" seems like the best guess anyone has on what the deal with his codename is right now, haha. Unless maybe it comes from the middle of a word instead of the beginning? Though that would be an odd choice.
But "encore" would make more sense if he's a musician! And that might even explain why those Kokatsu girls on the train had heard of him, too. You could be onto something with that.
My guess for how the Kiga students get involved is that they're probably similar to Yusuke (if they're story teammates), where it's due to them being connected to a future Palace ruler. Or two future Palace rulers, I suppose, if Enco and Polter are both story teammates, haha. Though in Polter's case, I could also see it having something to do with her apparent interest in sketching Wonder and Ruferu? Maybe she goes looking for them since they disappeared from the train, and gets mixed up in a later arc even though she doesn't have a personal connection to the Palace ruler?
Same with Jitianzhudai and Liben, if either or both of them are story teammates. In P5, it sort of coincidentally ended up working out that most of their teammates were from Shujin, but I could easily see P5X potentially broadening the team with people that don't go to Kokatsu but get pulled into phantom thievery due to their involvement with a Palace ruler.
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Found more of Liben in a gameplay video, so this post got updated with a bit more about her! Won't reblog the whole thing, since it's a bit long, haha.
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I think that since it’s pretty much confirmed Joker, and maybe the other thieves, will be apart of the story, that maybe the other gacha thieves will actually be apart of the story in some way or another. Like Seiji getting an actual codename, and also kinda Kiyoshi, and the fact that Joker and the other thieves are said to just be cognitive beings when they seem to again be apart of the story. Plus the fact that you seem to run into a lot of the gacha characters a lot in the main story. Like you seem Tomoko several times throughout the beta, even though she’s just supposed to be a phantom idol. Same goes with Kayo, Kiyoshi, and now Yaoling in the third beta, Wonder keeps seeing them, like besides the start of their social links. Idk maybe it’s my own wishful thinking but maybe just maybe they’ll have story relevance, because to me at least, just having 5 actual thieves feels like too small. And besides more the merrier right?
I definitely agree that I hope the Phantom Idols will have more story relevance! Tomoko has been appearing a lot, though that might just be because of her personal involvement in the first arc, haha. Kayo is sort of an outlier in a lot of ways, so I don't know how to classify her, but... Well, anyway, totally with you on this sentiment!
The fact that this game involves at least one parallel world seems like it'd be a great opportunity to show us more parallel worlds, perhaps one where the Phantom Idols are actual Persona users or something! That'd be one way to include them in the story, at least.
As a slight correction, though, it's not only five story thieves- right now we have Wonder, Cattle, Closer, Soy, Wind (Riko), and then also we know about Polter, Enco, and Wuhexi from the files, too! So that's an eventual eight, haha. But definitely, the more the merrier!
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I am super excited for the next beta for the game to come out soon and I’m wondering what the next phantom idols we will see in the beta besides Riko. Personally I’m hoping we get some more idols with Nuke, Wind, and Ice skills and possibly just one more navigator.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to that as well!
Considering we have two idols each for Psy and Curse (and Navigation if you count it), I'd sort of expect to get a second idol for each element, though it could perhaps be that those elements are doubled because there won't be a story teammate with those two elements? Right now, if you count story teammates, we also have two Bless, Ice, Electric, and Fire users in the P5X cast, which would suggest there are maybe only story teammates for Wind (presumably Riko) and Nuke left, along with maybe a navigator, if that theory's correct, though... so maybe we are getting two idols for each element, at least eventually, haha, or maybe they're just uneven.
Either way, I feel like we must have most of the cast by now, if not all, given we have 17 confirmed teammates counting Riko, which becomes 22 if you add Polter, Enco, Liben, Wuhexi, and Jitianzhudai, which completely covers the 22 Major Arcana (likely with an added one like Aeon, Faith, etc., considering The World is usually reserved for the protagonist at the end of the game). Of course, it's still unclear whether they'll include Arcana in the final game at all, so maybe they won't have that theoretical restriction?
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Which upcoming thief are you excited for out of Enco, Polter, Tamayo, Wuhexi, and Liben?
Oh, good question (in fact, I ran a poll about it, haha)!
Polter is probably the one I'm most excited for right now, particularly because I want to see how she reacts to the fact that Wonder and Motoha disappeared from a stopped train. I feel like that's probably going to be a fun interaction.
That said, though, I am excited for all of them! I hope they are all actually future teammates in some capacity (story or Idol), though I still wonder why Tamayo/jitianzhudai doesn't seem to have a codename with her files, just her Chinese name, despite otherwise matching the naming convention.
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