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empty-movement · 3 months

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you know the stereotype about utena fans

well

let's take a specific sequence and compare the four primary translations of Utena that I know of. why this one? because i know we changed it and also sequences with these two had a lot of minor telling differences from one effort to the next

Revolutionary Girl Utena, Episode 25, Our Eternal Apocalypse

1998, UTP fan project:

Touga: You're driving quite fast. Akio: She's purring nicely, don't you think? Care to take the wheel? Touga: What? But I still don't… Akio: You're too strict… Touga: That was a rather indecent proposal, Mr. Chairman.

2003, Central Park Media DVD:

T: We're really flying down the road... A: The throb of the engine feels good, doesn't it? A: Care to take the wheel? T: Hm? But I'm not old enough.. A: Such a strict boy. T: That wasn't a fair proposal, Mr. Chairman.

2011, Nozomi Blu-ray, edited from the CPM translation via a fan led project that was us and you and it was awesome:

T: We're really flying down the road... A: The throb of the engine feels good, doesn't it? A: Care to take the wheel? T: Hm? But I'm not old enough.. A: How upright of you. T: That was an indecent proposal, Mr. Chairman.

2023, Some-Stuffs fan translation project:

T: You're flying down the road. A: Exquisite vibrations, no? A: Care to take the wheel? T: Huh? But I'm still not... A: Well, aren't you stiff? T: That was rather inappropriate, Board Chairman.

Do you like what you see? Is this level of ridiculous exactness interesting to you? Do you think these decades-spanning comparisons add anything to the discussion?

Well join our forum, Something Eternal, then. Because in the time it took for me to type this up for the Tumblr post, forum member xenofem dropped this in the thread about comparisons of the text with other examples already there broken down by color look just go

Looking at that exchange in episode 25 line by line: Touga: 随分飛ばすんですね。 The subject of this sentence is elided, which is what's leading to the discrepancies around we vs. you. The verb, "tobasu", is literally "to make something fly" or "to send something flying", but can also refer to driving a vehicle fast, or moving fast through things. The object is also elided, the literal meaning is clearly the car but there could also be room for innuendo here.

ok no but seriously, so much amazing stuff has already happened on this babby ass forum that I can barely keep up, we have birding threads and Baldur's Gate 3 threads and new fans posting their reactions as they watch for the first time threads and terfs are banned on sight

#utena #revolutionary girl utena #empty movement #utena forum #utena translation #utena analysis #utena meta #apparently the 'well aren't you stiff' one is the most accurate #which figures because it's also the worst #in utena #the most uncomfortable scenes are often also the most brilliantly written

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exilley · 4 months

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I do sort of wish western anime fans would analyze anime and manga from a framework of japanese historical and cultural context. Specifically a lot of works from the 90s being influenced by the general aimlessness and ennui that a lot of people were experiencing due to the burst in the bubble economy and the national trauma caused by the sarin terrorist attack. I think in interacting with media that’s not local to our sociocultural/sociopolitical sphere it’s easy to forget that it’s influenced and shaped by the same kinds of factors that influence media within our own cultural dome and there ends up being this baseline misalignment of perception between the causative elements of a narrative and viewer interpretation of those elements. It’s a form of death of the author that i think, in some measure, hinders our ability to fully understand/come to terms with creator intent and the full scope of a work’s merits

#exilley's diary #this is about utena btw like. yeah its feminist and a coming of age horror story but also #it was in part ikuhara’s response to the changes he observed in the corporate anime industry and an attempt to subvert those trends #it doesnt really help that i feel certain aspects of the show are filtered through translation and certain cultural emphasises are lost #like for instance. the blood type symbolism. or wakaba’s gestures with making packed lunches #theyre incredibly japanese expressions of conventional gender roles that non-japanese audiences might not fully resonate with

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kristybluebird · 1 day

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"She opened her eyes, lifted the lid from her coffin, sat up, and was alive again" (Grimm, 1857/2005)

#kanae ohtori #revolutionary girl utena #rgu #revolutionary girl utena fanart #my art #text from the seventh and final eddition of the Grimm's fairytales from 1957 #translated by D.L. Ashliman from 2002-2005 #comics

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transmascutena · 2 months

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there are several different translations of rgu and sometimes they make sentences have completely different meanings between them and it drives me a little bit crazy

like this moment in the first episode.. these things are both accurate insights into utena's character and motivations but they're also completely different from each other. idk which is more accurate to the original japanese, maybe it's a sentence that can mean both depending on context or something?

#utena #m #i feel like a lot of my analyses are based on specific wording in the scenes i'm talking about which may actually be completely different #in other translations and therefore kind of invalidating what i'm saying? because how would i know if i have the most accurate one

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yuramoonbow · 1 year

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someday, someday, embrace my wounds that won’t heal and touch me softly

someday, someday, I’m gonna tell you the words I couldn’t say and touch you with a smile on my face

#revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #utenthy #anthy himemiya #utena tenjou #this is the lyrics to the song you outside my window by kinoko teikoku listen to it!!!#credits for translation to kimonobeat #fanart

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ladyloveandjustice · 3 months

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This came up on youtube so I was able to relisten and confirm without having to replay the game- Nanami, who famously did not know the english word cow and so did not know that a cowbell is a bell for cows, knows the English word "lesbian". This implies so much.

#nanami kiryuu #juri arisugawa #that moment when nanami realized outing juri would end with her dead #revolutionary girl utena #nev plays the utena game #and yeah she was translating with the #no interest in boys thing #not being redundant #Youtube #lEsBiAN daaaaatte #i mean i'm sure it's a loan word but still. not a common enough one in the 90s she didn't have to translate #apparently.

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gearbit · 6 months

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Revolutionary Girl Utena 26 - Miki's Nest Box (The Sunlit Garden Arranged)

#revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #bits #this is one of my favorite utena scenes ever #as much as I tried my best with this set #there's no substitution for the actual scene itself #I wish I could have found a way to translate the castle lights but still images like that don't translate well to gif format unfortunately #also everybody go and look at anthy's weird hand

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lunarharp · 5 months

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i wanted to put these four together chatting, cooking, dancing, and trust

#witch hat tag #orufrey #sorry for repost of 3 of these images the 4th is new.#based on kitchen chapter 10 and all the emotions that a COOKING SPINOFF gives me. it looks uh. weird. to me. now #but i understand what i mean. always. i like that art can be a way of capturing that for you (and writing)#secrets and food and the one dance we've danced our whole lives and The mountain apple - your heart - the trust i have for you #“If you're the one saying it then it must be true” no offence but yet again official translation chose something paltry compared to that #What if i would die first before i would poison you but what if your trust in me is killing us #What if you're the one who should be trusted wholeheartedly yet still I'm the one who holds back? Who does not take the apple?#What if this is SO evocative of yet so different to the cantarella scene in utena and cai loses their marbles for real this time #drawing wine drops from the apples makes it look like the snow white apple. i cant take it #a week (or 4 days) of randomly trying to be more intuitive with composition or..idk. this weird sloopy brush is good for that. Sloopy i say

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animeomelette · 7 months

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Interested if anyone knows anything about the nuances of what Utena is saying in Japanese here and how well the translation conveys it

#utena tenjou #tenjou utena #utena #revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #utena la fillette révolutionnaire #translation #localisation #anime translation #anime localisation #japanese to english translation #japanese to english localisation #japanese-to-english translation #japanese-to-english localisation

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empty-movement · 1 year

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Gogai gogai!! Empty Movement has a proud tradition of Secret Santa events, be they in the forum or the Discord. This year, my Santee asked for musical content. Lol. Lmao. What luck for them, and what luck for me!!! So, in celebration of the holidays* I stretched my legs out in the Elementor site building software I got, and compiled an absolute BUTTLOAD of 2018 and 2019 Musical Utena content. Observations, stories, tidbits and tidbats about the shows from the crazy bitch that yeeted herself to Japan twice to see them and bring them back to you. (Yes, we are planning to stream them soon, sorry about the delay!! ~IRL STUFF.~)

Explore, enjoy, and hopefully you'll find something new and interesting to you! These shows basically changed my life, so it was amazing to get a prompt from someone who came into Utena *through them.* Amazing.

*LAST EPISODE OF UTENA AIRED ON CHRISTMAS EVE IT IS A HOLY DAY

#utena #musical utena #utena meta #revolutionary girl utena #bud of the white rose #blooming rose of deepest black #utena translation #empty movement #utena history

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lil-bonzai · 9 months

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Tokyo Mew Mew New, Season 1 Episode 4: "Who Doesn't Want to Be Her? Our Last Member is a Huge Star!"

Whilst this is super cute in the context of the show, the TMM characters are just listening to her singing without the background music

I just can't stop thinking about how she's playing air guitar to a riff that's supposedly only in her head? what a dork I love her sm?

The judges looking confused af is me because I have no idea what she's singing about due to the lack of subs 😭😭😭

Mint looks so happy - get yourself a gf that looks at you the way she looks at her future gf

#tmm #tmmn #tokyo mew mew shitposting #tokyo mew mew new #tokyo mew mew #mint aizawa #minto aizawa #mew zakuro #mew mint #zakuro fujiwara #they're so gay and dorky #the stage must be crickets as Zakuro is just air guitaring and singing and jumping around with her random song hahahaha #I need to look into the scene that they're referencing - someone said it was a Utena reference on Tumblr?#also if someone has a link or a translation to the song she's singing #i'd be forever indebted to you

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chadlesbianjasontodd · 11 months

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SUMMER 1999: REVOLUTIONARY GIRL UTENA RETURNS.

hasegawa shinya, color page from bara no yougan (visage of the rose), ed. itou seinosuke. (tokyo: kk bestsellers, 1998.) scan source: @empty-movement.

#shoujo kakumei utena #i LOVE the image of the armor from the anime opening breaking off her........#thinking abt translating some or all of this book once ive finished it....there are long interviews with enokido youji ikuhara and saitou #a bunch of short interviews collected from elsewhere. & an episode-by-episode analysis by the editor that's actually interesting

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sinkableruby · 2 months

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i think it's important to clarify that what utena says in response to touga's question in episode 36 ("do you love him") is not "is that possible?" but "there's no way/as if!" meaning she's saying no, she doesn't. i can't seem to find a sub that gets this correct so i wanted to put this out there. but she's not actually like confused on her feelings there as those subs would seem to suggest-- unless she's lying to herself, but it's worth making the distinction. i don't think she is though

#rgu #tenjou utena #slightly off translation messing up what i think is a really really nice and interesting scene... sad!#what she says is そんなことあるものか where the 'mono ka' is the key grammar there #rgu spoilers #altho i tried to minimize them

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midigated · 2 years

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I was today years old when I learned that the scrapped Ikuhara Sailor Moon SuperS movie was supposed to be called "Bride of Uranus"

I looked it up and was able to find a few Google translated resources that seem to confirm it and I... I... I wanna cry.

*edit - the more I read about it, I'm not sure if it was a title but it was def mean to describe Uranus relationship to Neptune. STILL 😭

*Edit edit - maybe that's the plot point

https://ameblo.jp/studio-canopus/entry-11907457880.html

#bride of uranus #look i love Utena hardcore but goddamnit #what i would give for a uranep movie #at least from the translated items ive found (and I could be wrong) neptune was already in a 1000 year sleep and uranus was gonna save her #and theres this thing involvin stealin talisman from unkwn senshi but the result of doing that and wakin Neptune would lead to destruction #like part of me has wondered if this wouldve been a silmil uranep story separate from the canon but idk and i doubt it #i imagine in an alt universe this movie does exist #harumichi #i cant believe im learning about this now #thanks alee - i am going to cry forever 😭#haruka tenoh #michiru kaioh #sailor uranus #sailor neptune #sailor moon

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revindicatedbyhistory · 1 year

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these lyrics from mikage´s duel song are. interesting to say the least

#(every translation of the song says smth along these lines)#fucking hell maybve the entirety of utena happens inside anthys head #utenaposting

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cruelsister-moved2 · 11 months

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so jarring when people are talking about anime and doing close reading on the dialogue, based on the subtitles, and dont seem aware theyre looking at a translation so you cant necessarily read deeply into things like the grammar and the word choice and linguistic connotations...? i guess if you’re reading into the translator’s decisions specifically, but mostly they just don’t seem to have processed that the original creative vision did not involve the english language and what they’re reading is an interpretation

#utenators . always doing this btw #im always seeing 'the fact that utena said xyz' [deep analysis on the word choice]#and im like well does the word used in the original japanese necessarily have those same connotations.#youd have to look into it to know and i dont believe they have #im just a girl with a curious soul ill google stuff like that bc im interested to know what word was actually used #you can sometimes pick up if something especially untranslatable is used bc the subtitles will be kinda weird #i said this before in terms of translating cultural contexts but #its weird how many monolingual english speakers dont seem aware that like translation isnt 1:1 and the context of words changes across #languages and so on..

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