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lesbianathene · 4 years

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Hi ik it's old but theres an ask in your hp tag where you say you dislike Hermione and that you might make a list of harry essays for ppl to read and I would love to see more about both?

ooo yes! i was going to but it slipped my mind completely!!

okay so i made a post of all my fav hp essay (more will probably come as i find them)

and now why i dislike hermione: (putting under a readmore for those who dislike negativity)

imma split this into three catagories: book hermione, movie hermione, and the fandom.

book hermione (ive been doing a rereading of the series including higlighting and comments and tabs to keep track of my thoughts so)

she presents herself as being right all the time. that her opinion is the only one that matters. she consistantly ignores both harry’s and ron’s instincts and opinions in favour of one that she can believe. this does go down as the series progresses i’ll admit.

her dismissal of ron and his understanding of the wizarding world (especially as he was the one to actually grow up within it) and her belief that anything written in book is gospel is bewildering to me. like if you were truely passionate about learning then you would gather as many differing sources as possible and not just go ‘well i read it in a book so there.’

her treatment of luna. dear god, her treatment of luna. teenage girls are catty, believe me i know, but she ridicules luna for her beliefs. when luna mentions the creatures she believes to exist (nargles, etc) hermione of scoffs or batters luna with ‘how can you possibly believe that they exist??’. it reminds me very much of the militant atheism that the internet used to be so fond of. it’s just cruel and unnesissary

the whole house elf situation. i mean it’s disturbing the whole happiness in slavery thing jkr had going on i’ll say that first. but within the narrative hermione was so adament about prove she is in the right and everyone should do as she says that she blatently ignores the wishes of the ones she is trying to help.

theres probably more but thats all that comes to mind rn

movie hermione

okay so i’m not a fan emma w*tson anyway. i think shes way too overhyped and imo shes not a particularly talented actress either. but thats just my opinion so y’know don’t sue me (also she aint that hot ngl)

movie hermione could ‘do no wrong’. she was always the one with the answers; regardless of it actually being more plausable that it would have been anothers idea, or the fact that it was originally anothers idea in the books like???

this ‘do no wrong’ attitude towards her character by the writers and directors and w/e meant that harry and all of his characterisation was thrown out the window and he basically became a 2D character and don’t get me started on ron. ron barely existed in the films but was crucial to harry in the books - moreso than hermione

fandom

god the fandom just kills me sometimes. everybody loves hermione cause shes a bOokwoRm~ like us~~!!!! i’m sorry but bollocks to that. hermione may be someone who reads but she’s not interested in what learning truely is - which is exactly why shes not and will never be a ravenclaw - shes more interested in reading to justify what she already thinks.

her and harry wouldn’t make a good couple. i’ll have to find the meta that explains this better but she spends a lot of time in the books doing exactly what harry doesn’t need, whereas ginny is perfect for harry as she actually compliments his behaviour than contrasts it. when harry has outbursts, hermione cries and is afraid (unhelpful and doesn’t benefit either of them), whereas ginny challenges harry back and engages with him (helpful! makes harry more mindful of his surroundings)

shes romanticised more in the fandom than in the movies (which is impressive, truely). the fandom almost believes that everyone should be like hermione. shes the best!1! shes better and smarter and the only one who matters!1!!! and im sick of it

dr*mione. just that. like are you willfully ignoring all the slurs and hatred in the books?? what?? i just???

#hp #rachel responds #i'm not good at formulating my arguments sorry #roamingreenwoods

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queen0fm0nsterz · 3 months

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I was thinking about the old LN1 character bios and remembered the line about the Twins being "born to be chefs". Assuming their not native to Nowhere, this would mean they had some violent tendencies before becoming residents, like it was their destiny.

This then made think about the end of tson ep 3 where Otto says the something like "Our world isn't the only world, let alone the predominant one".

All this made me realize that the worlds other than Nowhere may have been created by it (The Nowhere is implied to be sentient in it's own right) specifically to create concepts and injustices that could be used to warp and traumatize children, turning them into visitors and then into residents.

Thoughts?

Alright so this is a great question that I think leads to a much larger discussion about how the Nowhere operates. I would like to hear what other peeps think as well.

So, starting from the Chefs. Personally I always assumed that they are part of that group of characters who are from the Nowhere because of the way their description is worded (and also their baby pictures... this one is so cute lowkey...)

--- But following your train of thought: considering what we know of the Nowhere, it seems to amplify certain characteristics of a person, usually the bad ones. Two kids who are a bit propense to get into fights in the waking world may very well become blood thirsty maniacs in the Nowhere.

Interestingly, the modification of traits does not only apply to personality but also the body -- and usually, the physical changes are in relation back to said traits. For example, the Teacher - someone who is known to be controlling - can extend her neck infinitely to look everywhere and have the ability to blink removed to make sure she's always watching. The Doctor, a perfectionist with tons of authority, is always looking down on people while also growing enormous to match his ego. So on and so forth, you can follow this reasoning for a large number of the Residents we meet.

I think other timelines derivating from the Nowhere is definitely a possibility, as we don't know much of how the universes work there.

The general theory of a multiverse irl is that no timeline has any specific weight or importance over others; they are all parallel no matter how different, with no timeline being "the real one". This is if we view the Nowhere under the lens of it being a separate dimension. In TSON, the Nowhere is kind of implied to be sucking the people most vulnerable to it right in, so perhaps the idea Otto has of it the predominant world stems from the fact that he can't explain his fascination with it... or from a real, genuine desire to somehow "return" to the original land, if that's where the other timelines originated from.

HOWEVER, I would like to offer an alternative perspective on this --- based on what I found out during my research on the Ladies. Yup we're going there again

Rather than the characters themselves, this time I'm going to refer to a symbolism that is very prominent in their lore: Buddhism. More specifically the references to the six planes of existance, and how those can be tied back to Little Nights in a loose way. As stated in this site:

" The six realms of rebirth are a schema in which beings are reborn according to the kind of life they lived. [...] The animal realm, in which inhabitants are driven by basic needs, is one of the three “lower” realms. The other two are the hell realm, a place of constant suffering and torment, and the realm of the hungry ghosts, grasping beings who are never satisfied. The three “higher” realms are the human realm [...] the demigod realm [...] and the god realm, where beings enjoy a life of pleasure. It’s important to note that some Buddhists view the realms as literally real, while others interpret them psychologically as metaphors for the emotional states of the human condition. "

(Click on the link to read the whole thing; I only highlighted the parts I think are relevant to this conversation :] )

What I believe specifically relates back to the Nowhere are the three lower realms, from which the place itself may be loosely inspired by because of how its inhabitants are described.

All of these are things we see in Little Nights from various Residents, depending on the social class and place. It is important to note that while these realms are placed in different hierarchies due to quality of life, they all cohexist together without necessarily being more important than each other as they all have the same purpose in the end.

If the worlds of Little Nights operate in a similar way, then what we're looking at is not really a case of dimension hopping, but rather a passage from a plane of existance to the next. A forced one at that, at least in the case of Noone.

Now, considering Otto's assumption, the idea of the Nowhere being a predominant realm only popped up because he was trying to wrap his head around it and how Noone felt, but to tell you the truth, it is a rather baseless assumption considering he's never been there and is only experiencing it in a very limited way. However... considering how many children from different places in time and space have experienced the Nowhere, sometimes even simultaneously, I wouldn't say that it's completely wrong to assume that the place might be the "original plane of existance".

Now. Reflecting on what you said at the very end, I would like to ask a question back: do you think the Nowhere is, hypothetically, only capable of bringing out the worst in people inherently? Or is it only acting this way because humanity itself is more easily conditioned to fall victim to their bad traits?

I've been recently thinking about it because of the Maw. The writer of Little Nightmares, Mr. Mervik, has stated multiple times over the years that the place has not always been the way that it is; at the same time, he also said that it was not man made, but rather created by collective hunger/desire to be fed. These two things don't make sense together unless you assume the Maw was not originally born for the Guests and the whole cannibal business, but rather from a desire of shelter. A need to be fed. Which is not inherently a bad thing -- and it would explain why the structure itself is so largely built to house so many people, and why children still feel relatively safe in it to this day.

So I find myself thinking that perhaps, the Maw degenerated overtime because the people inside of it (cough its leaders cough) did. And if this is the case for the Maw, who's to say it's not the same for other places? The Nest, for example? The School, the Hospital... etc. But. It is also true that the creatures who inhabit the Nowhere (the Ferryman, the North Wind, the Flesh...) all seem to have their own interests and destructive amusement more at heart than anything. If these creatures are what move the large of the Nowhere (which I guess they are considering the eye symbol is all over the goddman place), then the human will can't really do much.

That being said, I am wondering currently if it could be possible for the Nowhere to bring out something good from a person in the right situation. At the same time, the hopes are incredibly slim. Nonexistent, actually, but it's nice to think about hypothetics.

#little nightmares #little nightmares 2 #little nightmares 3 #little nightmares theory #ln theory #ln meta #little nightmares 2 theory #tson #the sounds of nightmares #tson meta #the chefs #little nightmares the chefs #six #six little nightmares #the lady #the lady little nightmares #(relates back to the maw ig)#{damn viewing the nowhere under these lens makes fox a lot more tragic now that i think abt it #because im assuming the maw has primarely spawned from *her* desire to find a place for her & her children to live in safely... oh #its such a childish thing in retrospect... wishing on a star and then your wish GETS GRANTED in the most FUCKED UP WAY IMAGINABLE #my girl did not get 《bite of 83》ed for this #plus according to context clues (aka my insanity) i dont think fox has ever been on the maw... like. alive #so its even twice as tragic because she never really got to try. like she could have done something good but the chance was ripped from her #im emo in the club again}

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queen0fm0nsterz · 3 months

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Hey. I knew you're mad at Otto for hurting Noone and Noone deciding to join Nowhere, but have you ever considered hating the Ferryman for being the main reason why all of this started?

Like this man took away Otto's sister, Cici (Sisi? Cece?? or whatever the hell you spell her name as) away from him and making him obsess for answers, then later in Otto's life he met Noone and realize she is going through the same thing his sister did and became insane and thanks to that, Noone distrusts him and became an easy target for the Ferryman to take her away too and making Otto the bait to catch more children.

Blame can be on both sides. In this case, blame definitely is on both sides.

I understand your point of view, and you are right to say that the Ferryman was the one who started all this. But was it right of Otto to push Noone so far into the Nowhere that she "decided" that it'd be better to leave with the Ferryman than to stay with Otto? Who, mind you, deceived her multiple times, repeatedly breached her boundaries over and over again, used her and admitted that he was using her (when he said "I still need her" to the Ferryman taking Noone away) AND who did not show a single ounce of remorse for what he had done?

No. Of course it was not.

The Ferryman is the cause of the trauma. Otto's obsession with him is understandable, frighteningly human. So much so that I find myself disliking him because I have met people like Otto in my life. People who are nice on a surface level only to reveal later on that they capable of being manipulative and cruel, all under the pretense of past trauma causing them to act the way that they do. Trauma is not a justification for one to act like a piece of shit - an explanation, yes, but never a justifier. Which is exactly what Otto does.

You know who else in TSON has trauma and doesn't act like a dickhead? Noone. Noone, the victim in all of this, stuck between a kidnapper who will bring her to her doom and a man who is pushing her into the kidnapper's arms only to cry wolf when she calls him out on it.

I also find myself more upset with Otto rather than the Ferryman for another variety of reasons.

Firstly, I was not expecting anything from the Ferryman. We know how he operates, we know he's not a force of good; he's a liar and a kidnapper, literally a monster, taking children to their doom when they are at their most vulnerable. He was a bad omen from the very beginning and I never expected him to be anything more. Of course I hate him as a person and what he stands for, but considering where he started, I was not surprised to see him do what he did.

But Otto was different. Otto could have been different. He could have been an example of someone who manages to, if not overcoming, at least face their trauma with a positive outcome for both his own sake and Noone's. But no. He let himself go down a road so atrocious that he is now no different from the monsters we see in the Nowhere while not even being there.

Otto is a regular guy. He's not insane and he did not become insane. He, like everyone, has his own set of bad traits. He can be impatient, harsh, dismissive, insistent and immature. At the same time, he also has his good traits: he used to have a morale, kind, understanding, intelligent and friendly. All these things make up him as a person. As he said to Noone: once you are with someone long enough, you let out who you really are. And he did just that. He let his bad traits get the best of him. And as sorry as I feel for his circumstances, I really cannot bring myself to forgive him.

I suppose Otto let us down, like he let down Noone. And the Ferryman is the guy in the white van with its doors open, but Otto is the guy who threw Noone inside and watched it drive away.

He's a wonderfully written villain. My disliking of him as a person does not stop me from really enjoying his character! I do think he's the second best written LN antagonist.

#little nightmares #the sounds of nightmares #tson #tson meta #ln meta #otto #the counselor #the ferryman #noone #{if u wanted to know the first best written is the lady LMAOOOO #otto is between her and the pretender #thin man is just under them #and then all the rest #i think he is very well done tbh i love how otto it written}

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queen0fm0nsterz · 6 months

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So, if you are accepting any asks, I have a small question.

Who do you think was longer in The Spiral? And which kids were "born" there? Sorry if this is a stupid ask, or if someone already asked it.

Feel free to ignore! I just really like how you analyze and theorize 'bout everything of The Little Nightmares world; you realize things that most people most likely don't notice, and that's admirable to me!

Thank you so much!!! This makes me very happy to hear, I'm very grateful you enjoy my interpretations of the games. Your question is not stupid at all; it's a very good one, and I see there is a few misconceptions about children who are Nowhere born and children who come from other worlds.

I have seen argued that most children we meet must be kids of the Nowhere due to their ability to survive; for example, a child as young as the Toddler was able to survive for at least a while before being snatched away. However this is not an indicator of them actually being Nowhere born.

Noone herself explains how this is possible in episode one of the podcast. Quoting:

"I turned away from the window, which was only a hole in the stone wall of the curved passageway, that stretched on a long ways. This- odd feeling, told me to get up. But I couldn’t stand because the ceiling was so low."

(...)

"That same feeling told me I was lost inside a giant."

They are being guided by this strong instinct. Which explains why children as young as a Toddler can get around without dying near instantly: they inherently seem to know what to do and they are constantly on the move. If anything, children who are stagnant are more likely to be Residents or becoming Residents; they are the odd ones out. Remaining still means certain death, after all, unless you intend to join the Nowhere.

Here's a diagram to show in short who is what based on what we know about the world. The ones with the * are those who are uncertain.

Visitors

These are the most common kind of children one can meet in the Nowhere: the ones brought from outside, either by the Ferryman or from other forces. Remember; the Ferryman is a guide, not the means.

In Episode 3, Noone was pulled into the Mall, an outside force, and in Episode 4 the Ferryman was not present at all. He is not the only way for one to get inside the Nowhere, he's merely somebody with enough power to intercept some of the children coming in to bring them away with him. I don't doubt that his role is incredibly important, as he's the reason why many children even reach the Nowhere alive, but... he's a harbinger of death, no doubt.

All these children are the nameless ones. The ones whose full journeys we'll never get to see: just segments and fractions. We saw the beginning of Noone's, and the end of RCG's and RK's. Nothing more, and nothing less.

The campfire children in particular are highlighted because of two reasons:

The comics were confirmed to be partially not canonical. Obviously not everything was cut from the comics, since the Ferryman and Mirror Man are both physically there and implied to exist, but due to the vague answer we were given, we'll have to take their tales with a grain of salt.

We could only hear two of four stories; as such, only the Humpback Girl's testimony can be counted as her not being a child of the Nowhere. We can attest this because of a few lines given from her friends:

This place is haunted, though, as well as being sealed. Someone locked the mirrors away a long time ago, but! Interestingly enough, they did not break them. Maybe whoever sealed this place away was hoping for someone to come back?

Considering that Low and Alone are also involved with mirrors, I wonder if Mirror Man's abilities are on par with the Ferryman's, meaning he too can cross the bridge between realities. It could be a reason as to why the Ferryman does not intervene until the very end here. This post is not about him though, so moving on!

Nowhere Children/Residents

Now we're getting to the interesting part of the ask. As you can see in the diagram, we only know a few children who are Nowhere born, and of them, only one of them is 100% factual. Let's go through them one by one.

The Pretender was born and raised in the Nowhere. Period. She has her own mansion, pictures with her parents, and on top of that her family at the very least part of the bourgeoisie.

While powers are not necessarily an indicator of one's belonging to the Nowhere (if Low's powers are of any indication), the Pretender herself has quite the number of supernatural abilities that seem to have been present since her youth, making it hard for her to form meaningful connections with others. She's a very lonely child. This means that these powers most likely developed from her naturally rather than being acquired from the outside, like Six's and possibly even Low's.

(Even then, one can make a small argument to counter with Six developing a small power of her own... but there's a reason as to why I set her aside from everyone else.)

Now, here's someone a lot more interesting to discuss (both on this topic and in general): Mono.

He's a real special little guy. Taking into context the etymology of his name, the meanings we get always tie back to the idea of there being one of him. A single, unique little boy. Looking at the descriptions we were given of Mono, we can find out some more about him and his backstory:

Interesting as this is on a character perspective, what I would like to direct your attention on here is the mentions of the world. Here, it's mentioned that Mono is aware that the world outside hates him. Being a single minded child living in the Nowhere this makes a lot of sense; what is interesting here is the wording.

There is never the mention of "another world" in Mono's descriptions, unlike Six's descriptions in which it is directly mentions her not originating from the Nowhere.

For Mono, it's not a world: it's the world. Almost as if there is no other world he knows by now.

His nature is also rather unique. You see, Mono is a glitch. Not in the traditional Glitching Remain way, but still not entire enough to be considered a human being. For one, he quite literally glitches multiple times: we see it happen everytime he is near a Remain and is about to absorb them, whenever he gets too close to the Thin Man, he even glitches as he channels his powers to use them.

The Thin Man causing him to glitch is especially interesting because when he motions to grab him, Mono does not split in two like Six does. There is no body to be left behind: instead, he flies into Thin Man's hand and you can visibly see his body go both entirely glitchy and instantly limp.

(You can see it for yourself in this video; pay attention to him struggling when other enemies grab him vs how quickly he stops moving as soon as the Thin Man gets his hands on him.)

This indicates his nature as not being human the same way Six is, for example, but rather a product of the Nowhere. Due to how his cycle works, this makes sense: for the Tower to have a continuous of energy supply and access to the power of the Transmission, Mono needs to live through this experience over and over for as long they deem fit. This could also explain some other odd factors of his, such as not having to take a break when running and his almost grayish skintone.

While it can be argued that at the beginning of this whole mess Mono was a Visitor rather than a Resident, at this point in time many factors point to the version of him we play as being a Nowhere child.

The Refugee Boy is, as for the campfire kids... complicated to expand on due to the dubious nature of his story: nevertheless, I will still bring forth my evidence.

When the children begin telling Six their stories, the Refugee is the first to narrate his tale and he begins doing so by showing her a memento of his previous life outside of the Maw. This comes across as being peculiar on its own as no other child that we know of has anything of the like.

As you can read here, children in his village are given charm against the North Wind that one day suddenly stop working. This implies that, unlike the Mirror Man, the North Wind has always been a tangible threat looming over their birth land.

It could be easy to chalk this up to N.W. being a local legend where the boy used to live and he had a nightmare about him, but it is then mentioned that he and his sister have been running away from him for years. Much longer than any of the dreams Noone ever had.

This was a long pursuit. We know thanks to the LN III trailer that "normal" looking adults and cities existed in the Nowhere; this explains away both the Refugee's village existing and the other groups of people that chased them away when they brought around the North Wind.

While this evidence is good enough to stand on its own, it has a couple of points against it, which is why I marked the Refugee as "unsure".

The narrator could be considered unreliable. In this same screenshot I added right above, the narrator states that the siblings were welcomed everywhere, but we can visibly see them be chased away by the villagers. This can be interpreted as meaning "they were originally welcomed, but when the North Wind arrived as a consequence, they were chased off", but we don't have enough substance to back this up.

^ Supporting the above take, the narrator also says that the children have been running for years, but we visibly see that they remain the same during all this time. The sister not changing makes sense as the Ferryman has taken her place, but the Refugee also doesn't change at all. We don't know how fast time passes in the Nowhere, so it could also be attributed to that, but it must be mentioned for fairness' sake.

The Refugee's words: I'm not running anymore. This sentiment has never been echoed before, nor will it ever be echoed again. As I said earlier, being stale in the Nowhere only leads to two things: death or permanence. His surrendering could indicate that he has chose to remain in the Nowhere after being stuck in it for a long time, thus becoming an official Resident. If this is the case, he could classify as a "Visitor turned Resident".

With this, I suggest we move on to our last and currently final segment:

Visitors turned Residents

This one is an interesting breed. We don't get to see the act of a child turning into a permanent part of the Nowhere all that often; Noone could count as that, but we don't yet know if she ultimately decides to be still in the Nowhere or if she'll regret her choice.

We do have the most importantly character of this narrative as an example to this, however.

Six, my dearly beloved... what a terrible path she's gone down to. I have already displayed the evidence stating that Six is from a different world than the Nowhere up un Mono's section so I won't dwell on it.

Thin Man splitting her in two is what doomed her and, as hard as she tried to fight it, her trip to the Maw was the nail in the coffin. No matter how far away from it she gets: she will never be free from the influence it had on her person. When it comes to the LN I ending, this is what the writers had to say on it:

(From this interview. It's an interesting one; they also confirm that the Signal Tower and the Maw were not places that were "built" but that exist for various reasons, which supports the idea that they are entities rather than buildings.)

I think Six is not leaving the Nowhere anytime soon. If at all. She might have left the Maw, but at this point, she's ventured too far in to turn back to the person she was before. To think none of this is even her fault is saddening, to say the least, but horrifically realistic.

Sisi... is an incognita. I've only put her in this category to be fair, since we don't know anything about her. There is a possibility that she has grown up to become a Resident, but it's just as likely that she may have died off somewhere, like many others before and after her.

I will not be dwelling into the adults for now, but we do have reason to believe that some of them are most definitely Visitors turned Residents. Most notable is the Lady who, in her character description, directly expresses discomfort with how nonsensical the Nowhere is － a sentiment only someone who knows alternatives to it can have.

It also indicates a surprising level of self awareness to some extent; most Nowhere inhabitants do not question the nature of their world, not even important and powerful beings like, say, the Thin Man.

I hope this answers your question!

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queen0fm0nsterz · 1 month

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Do you think is confirmed the Ferryman is the one who bring all kids to the Nowhere? Do you think he still has affiliations with/works for the Maw?

Do you think he brings kids to different places and acts as a link/gateway to the Nowhwre? Or do you think he is the person who tricks kids into coming with him to deliver them to the Maw as the comics implied?

I like these questions, I've been waiting to have an excuse to mention the Ferryman and his modus operandi again for a while.

1) No, he's not the only way to access the Nowhere. This is an easy thing to misunderstand, but if you pay attention to what happens in TSON - especially when Noone describes how her dreams begin - you'll realize fairly quickly that the Ferryman is not directly involved in all of the instances of her doing so. Hell, in episode 4 he's not even present at all!

What I think the Ferryman is -- which also lines up with the behaviour we've seen him exhibit previously -- is a guide. He "saves" children from other monsters only to guide them somewhere else.

In the comics it was the Maw, but it can also be argued that he's not necessarily tied to just the submarine but rather, he offers his services to a wider range of... institutions, let's call them that. With that being said:

2) Yes, I think he's still deeply affiliated with the Maw. If he's got other affiliations as well, I don't think his connection to them would be as profound as the one he has with the Maw - considering that it is implied that he and the Lady are closely acquainted.

(Obsessed with this page by the way. It parallels another page where Six is also reflecting on what she has seen by asking herself "what has she seen?" while she's walking in the rain surrounded by monsters. Brilliant.)

She also keeps several paintings of him in the Residence, which was after the comics were discontinued, so I'd say him being somehow connected to her remains canon even if he's no longer affiliated to/just to the Maw.

It'd be interesting to see him be more of a neutral force rather than being specifically tied to one place, so I say it's a possibility that he may be working for other kinds of establishments as well. Though, in all the other places we've seen him, he's always been an outsider, like how he was wandering the Prison, Bathhouse and Sewers. When it comes to the Mall, he took an antagonistic stance against it, much like he does with the other monsters we've seen him directly interact with, so I'd say he most likely only works for the Maw -- but that it's not entirely out of the question.

3) I don't think he's a gateway. I think he's just the one who waits close to it to catch anyone who comes through. Like Charon - another ferryman who takes souls to another realm I definitely do think treachery is at play here, as he does manipulate the desperate into trusting him.

#little nightmares #the sounds of nightmares #tson #tson meta #ln meta #little nightmares meta #the ferryman #the ferryman ln #ln the ferryman #the ferryman little nightmares

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queen0fm0nsterz · 8 months

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I keep thinking about Otto stating that the Ferryman cannot cross over into the real world. Remembering the comic with the Humpback Girl, where it's shown that he clearly can since I am 100% sure she is NOT a child of the Nowhere, I am wondering if Otto's assumptions are just... wrong.

Otto is learning with us. AND he's not a reliable narrator in the slightest.

When Noone says that the Ferryman "does not belong to their world" I don't think she necessarely means that he can't physically cross over; Noone is not from the Nowhere and she still can vanish into it just fine. I think it's moreso an implication that the Ferryman is not a former child turned Resident: he is from the Nowhere. Period. He might be one of the few characters whom we know for a fact are children of the Nowhere.

More information has also been emerging about the Ferryman's modus operandi when he's targeting a victim:

He seems to prefer going after singular children rather than a group, or even a duo. In the fourth episode, where Noone was in the presence of other teens, he did not show up; he only appeared to be watching her without intervening during episode 1 and 2, where she had a companion. In the Humpback Girl's tale, he only goes to her after the rest of the group is gone, and the Refugee Boy is also alone when he takes the place of his sister for the bet he made with North Wind. This might be to deny children any opportunity to even second guess the idea of following him; if they have no one to discuss the idea with during a dire situation, what else can they really do?

^ It also seems that when he chooses a victim, he sticks to them until he gets them. He had the chance to help Jester when he and Noone got separated (as he picks lone victims), but didn't do anything.

On that note: it might be a coincidence but right now it seems that he doesn't feel the need to save children if the threat they are facing is human/has human shape. Again: he only stepped in to help Noone when she was threatened by the Muscle in episode 3, and he made that famous deal with the North Wind in the comics. All the other monsters who tried to kill Noone were human, and the Ferryman did not do anything to stop them. During the Mirror Man incident, he only shows up in the aftermath when he is already defeated.

^ the only exception of this is Six, whom he takes on the Maw forcibly. The crowd she was in was not hostile to her until he pointed her out: even then, they didn't really attack her. They had noticed her prior, but when he pointed at her, they all followed suit.

^^ On this note... I wonder if the Ferryman has been on Six's trail for longer than we think, and only waited for Mono to be gone before stepping in.

He can indeed teleport. And he can indeed talk, if very little since he struggles getting his voice out through the layers of skin. While we were shown the first in the comics, the second was something that we had no confirmation of up until now. We have not seen his shape-shifting abilities make an appearence as of now but I have a suspicion we will very soon.

So now, knowing that Noone has been vanishing consistently ever since she took the Ferryman's hand in the Mall, I wonder if all that she had to do to be permanently connected with the Nowhere was just that: grab his hand. Accept his help. Once you do that, he will take you to the Maw no matter where you're from.

I am rather certain that this is where things will wrap up. With Noone either being brought on the Maw, or whatever it used to be, or dying in the process. I do not trust Otto.

#little nightmares #the sounds of nightmares #ln meta #tson #tson spoilers #the ferryman #noone #otto #the counselor #ln the ferryman #ln noone #ln otto #ln theory #little nightmares theory #little nightmares 3 theory #{reflecting really hard on all of this rn}#tson meta

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queen0fm0nsterz · 8 months

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Otto stinky yucky poopy

You know, this time I actually 100% agree with you.

Otto is abhorrent. His behaviour is gross. He is a terrible therapist to Noone and an even worse friend.

I was sad for her when she screamed at him (the performance in episode four was STELLAR I cannot stress this enough) but I am happy that Noone seems to have decided that she doesn't want to trust him anymore. Or at least that's what I hope she will do. He is not deserving of her trust, or her friendship. As he told her in episode 2: his true colors are finally coming to light.

I have mentioned before that I do not like him and explained my reasoning, but after today's episode my disliking of him has finally cemented. He, much like many other adults in the LN storyline, is not to be trusted.

And on that note actually: now that it seems that Cici/Cece/Sisi is more likely to be Otto's childhood friend, I find the way he projects them on Noone to be even twice as creepy. I do not like how he calls her "his clever girl" and things of the like because it seems rather clear that he doesn't see Noone as a person, but rather a means to get to Cici and find out what happened to them.

AND THE WAY HE SAYS "I WILL PROTECT YOU" WHILE HUGGING NOONE WHILE HE WAS CLEARLY THINKING OF CICI? HELLO?

Ok this aside...

Even then, I cannot help but think that even his idealised image of Cici is secondary to him: his objective is to prove that his studies were not wrong. He is more obsessed with "his Cici's (which, interesting that he refers to them as his) Ferryman" than anything.

#little nightmares #ln meta #the sounds of nightmares #tson meta #otto #the counselor #noone #the ferryman

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queen0fm0nsterz · 7 months

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THERE WAS DRUGS IN THEM THERE CANDIES

Oh absolutely.

The fact Otto gave so many candies to Noone when they tried to get into the Nowhere together and her getting tired afterwards is proof enough that Otto's candies are supposed to help patients sleep. Methods of keeping patients calm and docile in places like the one Noone was in were... questionable, to say the very least, so I am not very surprised by it, but this paints Otto's character in yet another light as, in episode one, he was not very keen on referring to Noone as her patient number, but after hearing about her dream he gives her one of the candies... he was degenerating from the start. From the very very start.

And he seems to be even more keen on continuing this sick cycle now that Ethan is his new patient. About that, I wonder if there were any repercussions for Noone going missing. Considering she had a tumor, maybe they could pass her disappearance off as her dying and being buried on the institute's grounds. Believe it or not, this was actually common practice way back when, abhorrent as it is.

#little nightmares #the sounds of nightmares #otto #the counselor #tson #ln meta #tson meta #tw child death #tw death

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queen0fm0nsterz · 8 months

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Ok so we all agree the guy in the 3rd episode of TSON is Mono/Thin man, RIGHT??!!!? CUZ LIKE.... ITS RIGHT THERE....

Ok so, I actually see where you're coming from here. HOWEVER,

Because of its behaviours and how it displays itself, I am more tempted to say that rather than being The Flesh, it is A Flesh. It does undoubtedly parallel Mono and Thin Man's behaviours, I agree with you, but I believe the being itself might be a completely separate entity.

I have seen people claim this Muscle (as Noone calls it) could be a precursor to the Signal Tower or even just it being straight up the Flesh from the Tower. Which, when comparing the behaviours, really makes zero sense. The Flesh in the Tower is cunning, silent, hidden. Nearly no one knows of its existence and the only person who does outside of Mono/Thin Man lives far off into the sea (this person being the Lady who has SEVERAL paintings of it). It feeds off of people: it traps them into its influence with masterful display. Most importantely, it makes up the entire building of the Tower.

On the other hand, the Muscle is far more... one could say, youthful and naive in some of its approaches. It really does sound like a lonely beast, desperately trying to make some friends - not to feed off of them, it just desired company. This is the part that is similar to Mono. The Muscle also seems to not be necessarely as large or as skilled as the Tower is. While it is true that it is connected to its whole building, Noone mentions that the only room that "pulsates" like it is made of flesh is the projectors room, where she meets the Muscle. She also mentions it being attached to tubes, meaning that the vein like patterns she saw in the building prior to that are just that: the tubes attached to it.

When she tries to flee, the building doesn't destroy itself trying to stop her: it cries. It doesn't need a host because the Muscle is enough for it, but the Tower does － and without one it falls apart.

Also, the Muscle is stated to only have one eye, right? A far cry from the beast residing in the Signal Tower.

I think the two creatures are similar because they are from the same species of beings. Not because they are one and the same. Would explain the similarities but also the differences: they are two separate entities with separate "personalities", if that makes sense.

#little nightmares #the sounds of nightmares #tson meta #ln meta #the thin man #ln the thin man #mono #ln mono #noone #ln noone #the muscle #the flesh #the eye

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queen0fm0nsterz · 8 months

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Thoughts on how TSON will tie into the lore of LN3?

As of the location of the last episode, as well as explaining some more small chunks of lore and locations to expand the world, I think TSON is preparing us already for what we will see next with Low and Alone. Give us something to expect, as well as a minimal explanation of how the Nowhere works, because this is information we need to know for Low and Alone's story to make sense.

Six's story, which was the main plot line of Little Nights up until now, explained how she travelled the world only to end up right at the place waiting for her. A destructive cycle of events that had set locations (the Pale City, the Tower, the Maw -- the Nest being a small detour but an interesting addition to the bunch) and events. Whether you believe Six left the Maw or not (I like to think the former), hers was a story about losing a part of herself to the world she tried to desperately to flee, and while she "won" that piece back, she will never be the same again. It did not necessarely need to elaborate on whether the world itself was her "home" or not -- though it was always strongly implied it was not.

It did try, though. The discontinued comics were an attempt at showcasing that the world beyond the Maw was vast, and that there was even ANOTHER world beyond that same dimension, with the tales of the Refugee Boy and the Humpback Girl respectively. However, at the time, it was confusionary: we didn't know anything but the Maw, so many fans misconstrued what was trying to come across, and ultimately this partially led to the decisions that had the comics be discontinued and the DLC be made instead.

The podcast to me is just that: to make up for those discontinued comics. Some of these storylines sound very similar to the ones you would read about in the Little Nightmares comics in structure: I would not be surprised to find some concepts from them were reused, modified to fit the plot of the podcast and even added to the lore of Little Nights III.

A lot of people seem to think that Mirror Man and North Wind will both make an appearance and frankly, I can see why. I am leaning more strongly on Mirror Man: I wish to see him in action in his own realm considering Low's abilities.

I've heard some concerns about the game potentially reusing the comic characters, but personally I find it a brilliant opportunity to expand on them. Mirror Man in particular is a... blank slate, essentially. He does have a minimum of characterization (<- post where I analyse just that) but besides that you could go wild with him. I'm interested to see if they do bring him forward.

Anyhow, sorry for derailing. As of episode four, we have been brought to a location that seems to match the circus we see in the trailer of Little Nightmares III. Considering the information we are given, it seems that it is suspended in the sky, with it being a literal ship floating above land.

(Two images depicting the "carnival" as seen in the trailer [top] and the steam page for LN III [bottom])

The idea of such a location is an interesting one and, considering the nature of the Spiral, possibly not that far out of reach. It was mentioned that Low and Alone would be travelling behind the Spiral... considering the nature of the Necropolis, which was mentioned to be a city powered by wind, I wonder if the spiral is... a giant hurricane. Or storm. And the locations are all in the middle of it - in its eye, stacked on different points in altitude.

It would be just as Noone said if that was to be the case: places who are on top of each other, like the building she's in, but that do not work together. I think that for this reason, the locations we have seen in the podcast such as the Stone Giant and the Mall might return later on as locations in LN III in some shape of form.

... We have seen a stone giant already...

.. although it would be more metaphorical than literal in this case as the Stone Giant was not really described as a giant baby thing, and the location is different, but you get what I mean hopefully!

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