idk if were still hating on s0yeon but if i may add my own two cents

maybe its because i have somewhat high standards when it comes to idol produced music (being a uni walwal and lego will do that to u ig) but soyeon is just.. mediocre? when it comes to producing her own music. she comes out with a few bangers and parts of the songs are really good, but shes not able to consitantly keep up that energy. like, she has potential, but i feel like shes unable to really channel it in a productive way without guidance

imo i feel like cube saw the trend and success of self produced idols, especially seeing how pentagon, btob, hyuna, and clc were succeeding with making their own music, they decided to market s0yeon as the next big idol producer, but she wasn't able to live up to the hype. fans will defend her to kingdom come but wont recognize that she needs to learn more or put more time and energy into making music than she currently is.

(also, im pretty lenient when it comes to idol rappers, since many of them dont really have an interest in hiphop and are just rappers bc the company wants them to be, but miss ethnic hip is just.. her rap isnt even fun or enjoyable to listen to it sounds so forced it makes me wonder what was going on in the studio ehkssgja)

oh you're very welcome to keep the discussion going ahjkdss

lmao i like those groups too so i get you, and after just ... listening to more music it's so obvious exactly what she's made, and it feels like she always falls back onto the same formula... slow intro usually by her or minnie, verses that sound oddly similar throughout songs by minnie/miyeon/yuqi, her rap completely ruining the flow of the song she herself made, and and often the same melody. to the point where it doesn't feel like a conscious decision, but like it's the method she has of writing songs. her doing most of the arrangements on her own is p impressive, and sometimes it feels like she's more skilled at that. compared to a lot of (k)pop they can be pretty simple, and sometimes it's impactful and feels very intentional and right (hann, hwaa almost, latata, c1c no) and sometimes it feels extremely empty and unpolished (oh my god, lion, uh-oh, tomboy ...) and overall i don't think she knows how to finish off a song a lot; a lot of the songs she makes just end, even if they've been more dynamic and less static overall the climax just isn't there. the only thing that gets switched up is the instrumentation ~inspired~ by whichever culture she's "borrowing" from next.

i agree w you that they def saw people being drawn to that, and, hey, it's cheaper than outsourcing and buying shitty demos from people who- pitigi bitubi we WILL avenge you

going to say smth that feels mean and very subjective but i do think cube wanted her to be a fusion of hyuna and hui dsfksdfjh but she doesn't live up to either of them, and, yeah marketed her as the creative mastermind, cool female rapper, strong leader they noticed people would latch on to.

i'm with you on idol rappers. i do not know a lot about what's considered good rap at all or what makes rap good, so it's not something i'm going to speak on. i feel like a lot of kpop rap is just There to make songs more dynamic and get some more momentum and move forward, in a quick way that requires less thinking about the composition, bc if there by default is going to be a rap break after the first chorus that transition between first chorus and rap break doesn't require as much careful thought nor any new, original ideas. some of that still sounds fun though, and if it feels like a natural part of the song idm it. not comparable to Rap rap, and not to be seen as such... fans should stop with that and a lot of unneccessary rap should be cut, but it feels like a lot of rappers... they're either shoved into that position bc the group Needs A Rapper! or theyre someone who enjoys appropriating hip hop culture 💀 to be edgy. s*yeon for example being the latter!

and i do especially wonder what the team around her and the other group thought of her "ping pong" rap...did they think it was good too lmao