the line about logan roy not being able to fit a whole woman in his head being said from his own daughter is so. something about daughters and their fathers something about daughters who are their father’s child something about daughters who are daddy’s little favorite daddy’s little girl but the second they start having opinions and the second they start talking back, the father holds their daughter out with open hostility and suspicion, something about how only years later will the father occasionally go, do you remember? do you remember when we used to have good days, when you used to come to me with all your wonders and your worries, do you remember when we were stuck together like glue, what happened to that and the daughter just has to give her father a rueful smile as though she hasn’t been wondering why her father built up that wall in the first place as though she hadn’t been wondering since when did her father only ever said good morning to her brothers as though she hadn’t been wondering since when did her father only ever ask her brothers to accompany him to work and something about shiv roy saying my father couldn’t fit a whole woman in his head and something about shiv roy still crying the most when she learned that her father was dead something about how shiv roy called her father the world and yet something about how shiv roy still asks her father’s closest male confidants if he was really that bad, was my father still an okay guy when they all know the truth, they all know he wasn’t a good person, but shiv roy still remembers playing outside her father’s office just to get him to come out and shiv roy still remembers her father telling her to remember, slant of light and ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh fathers and their daughters daughters and their fathers or whatever

I'm still stuck on that scene from the end of episode 8 (beyond evil), where dongsik breaks his promise to juwon. Like I'm really not sure what to make out of juwon's incredibly emotional reaction, homeboy was bout to cry his eyes out on the spot and I'm like?? Is this Really just about arresting him? Like his sense of justice is That strong that would get him to react like that? Or it's also more heavily about how he let himself trust dongsik and believed his promise and now he's being let down.

If it's the second one then he's way more emotional than anyone ever gave him credit for. And this also makes me think about what he said to dongsik about trust being fragile cause it's based on emotions, maybe he was talking about his own experience with dongsik.

Promises mean a lot to juwon it seems and maybe dongsik's promise meant more to him than him getting to arrest him.

(pain cause at the end dongsik did keep his promise to him)

anon, you're getting at my own personal curiosity with joo won's reaction in that moment, because if i'm being honest, i still don't really know what to make of it except joo won is a) dramatic, b) DRAMATIC, and c) not normal, he doesn't know how to be normal about anything, what a silly prince--

but also, i do think that a lot of it does also stem from joo won's intense sense of what's right vs what's wrong (and then watching it all kind of. crumble to pieces as he gets personally closer and closer to the truth of just what happened to the lee family all those years ago). and i think that also coexists with the fact that han joo won is very emotional. i hate han ki hwan with my whole heart, but i think if he's right about one thing, it's that joo won is very much so an emotional person, even if he doesn't necessarily want to think of himself that way.

but here's the thing: i think something that's lovely about beyond evil and joo won's character as a whole is that yeah, i might laugh at how joo won's one dramatic bastard, but his emotions are also what really make him a good person. he's actually a pretty intelligent guy--we only make fun of him because we're mostly seeing him from dong sik's perspective, i think, and also because dong sik's tricking joo won into believing what he literally set up for him. but outside of that? joo won's a smart dude, and he's also insanely emotional. he cries when he's upset! he gets scared and backs away a few steps and he cries when he's being yelled at! and like, even though joo won himself is a "no touchy, no need for relationships" kind of guy, i think he was always very weirdly attached to dong sik, even before he knew the whole truth about him.

anyways, to actually answer your question: i think it was genuinely a mix of all of those things. han joo won's a bit of a mess. we love him for it.