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utenaposter · 3 years

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This point of view is interesting, I never thought of it that way. What do you think about this? do you agree?

https://morilore.tumblr.com/post/168729544543/hot-take-on-revolutionary-girl-utena-utena

ok that was a long read and my brain kind of melted but like. Utena doesnt become the rose bride or the prince at the end of the series. she escapes the cycle just as she helps anthy do so, this is literally evidenced by the fact that she isnt remembered anymore, shes left ohtori, thats what happens to people who leave ohtori and dont have a reason to come back. happens with mikage too. of course the people that come back to ohtori like shiori or ruka never really left.

but utena leaves. and so does anthy. they break free. utena's "im sorry for playing prince" is literally her acknowledging that being a prince isnt real, its not a thing you can aspire to be because life isnt a fairytale and youll never be able to be a prince without falling back into patriarchal ideals, she acknowledges that she was wrong for trying to be a prince (something that can never exist) and frees anthy that way, and in the process frees herself.

also theres a part in that post that talks about dios hurting just as anthy does and like, no he never does. atleast to me dios was never real. he was only being given power by anthy and we see this again because shes literally the one to hold "his" sword. dios never hurt, dios could never hurt. dios only gave the illusion of saving princesses and maybe he never even did, in my opinion dios is just an idealized version of akio in his own head that never really existed because akio wasnt a good person even when he was dios, he was still playing into roles that really didnt help anyone and anthy had to stop him before he destroyed himself by trying to do too much. of course shes seen as a witch for destroying a "noble prince!", who wouldnt?

"It’s like Anthy knocks the Prince ideal to the ground, and then the Prince ideal comes back with a counterargument: “oh yeah, but what if the Prince is like, really really determined? And what if the Prince is like, really really suffering but really puts the princess’s needs first, and really truly loves the princess and acknowledges the princess’s agency, and asks for her hand instead of taking it, and it’s because of the Princes’s honesty and goodness and self-sacrifice that the princess is motivated to save herself, and the Prince doesn’t even think she’s a Prince or that Princes are real? What then? Is it really so bad then?” And then the story just ends on that point."

and this part of that post i dont really understand? because princes cant be that, like what theyre describing is no longer a prince? a prince in utena cant be anything other than the role given to him, a prince cannot be good... idk i just, utena rejects the princely ideals that theyre talking about. utena does not become a prince at the end because if she were she wouldnt have taken the swords of hatred wouldnt have saved anthy and actually she didnt even save anthy at the end, anthy walks out herself, if this were a prince and princess fairytale ending they would grab onto each other and walk out and push akio off the edge or something. but utena accepts that she can never save anthy on her own, she cant save anyone without them saving themselves, she can give them a push in the direction sure! but she cant save them, she cant be their prince on a white horse that saves them from everything bad, because princes dont exist.

anyway idk if any of that was understandable but i do like reading different utena takes even if to me theyre not right, but again death of the author and all that i think this is still an interesting post to read! (not mine, morilore 's) but again i do not think that utena continues the cycle, she leaves ohtori, anthy does too. and maybe in 10 years theyll have tea together. or they wont.

#ask #rgu #utena #me thoughts...#sku #revolutionary girl utena #shoujo kakumei utena #i dont remmeber what i wrote here i hope its not all me just going in circles #also i hope this wasnt rude or anything #i do like reading other opinions its interestign to me #if this was mean or something u can dm me to take it down i wont be mad or anything #also jesus this is a long post #utena meta

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possessionisamyth · 4 years

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i know the ending had to be rushed because instead of the usual 13 episode seasons AS decided to drop genndy to 10, BUT i started thinking about the daughters of aku and boy do i have some things to say writing wise, and no this isnt about “realism” but just how to make their presence as a unit more impactful or how to make ashi’s character development better as a temp antagonist to jack, spoilers below if you havent finished watching samurai jack

Option 1: Have the daughters of Aku be raised by Aku.

Some people have already suggested this as a cute AU, but to be honest that would strengthen the daughters bond with Aku more than just having hearsay through their mother. And since Aku does have emotions, isn’t afraid to spread propaganda onto children (the fairytale episode), and is building a kingdom that encompasses the universe, that would’ve been a great alternate to Jack’s stance, where instead of fighting just some assassin troupe he’s technically fighting an assassin troupe of princesses when he was once a prince whose own kingdom was destroyed by their father.

The bonds between the sisters would be tighter in that they respected their father both out of fear and the time they spent with him because he would’ve told them all the lies they needed to hear for them to trust him, he would’ve taken moderately good care of them(basic provisions), and he would definitely let them wreak havoc where ever they wanted without suffering consequences as long as they didn’t fuck up his own shit. “Mindless drone sisters except for one” doesn’t stick for long when it comes to guilt about murdering them, but “rebel girl gang who trusts their father and has many reasons to think you’re genuinely the bad guy” definitely would.

To not just have Ashi yelling at Jack, but all of the sisters shit talking him out of vitriol. Throwing his guilt back into his face. “If you’re so great, why couldn’t you save them? If you’re so good, why did you kill them?” Have Jack have to deal with his guilt inside and outside from a group of women who were indoctrinated to believe everything their father said just like Jack was and then really make him question what’s the difference between him and them? His father could’ve done all the same things telling him what’s evil and what isn’t. Yes, he still knows Aku is evil, but this train of thought would be humanizing them even further to the brink where Jack isn’t sure he can kill any of them. Cause it was “easier” when he could believe they didn’t have any emotions except for one (Ashi) but much more impossible when he has to accept that they all do. “They’re just robots.” No, they’re not. They’re just like you, Jack.

Option 2: Some sisters don’t die.

Make the killing blows accidents. Going with their canon way of being raised, have Jack still understand that they’re people, and make the killing blows reactionary instead of functionary. He doesn’t want to kill them, but he’s so used to fighting, he’s so used to defending himself that the weapons he grabs and the attacks he does manage to hit the vitals of a few of the sisters while the rest he leaves mortally wounded or physically incapable of fighting. If they’re really raised as machines to kill him, this would leave them useless to complete the task.

Then have Jack, as he’s leaving the scene of carnage have to witness the sisters who can move crawling towards their fallen sisters, trying to hold back bleeding wounds, scraping through the reddening snow in an attempt to show compassion for the one’s whose lives are fading away.

And then have Jack make a choice. He could leave them there. Some of them might make it, but probably not. Even if they all did, they wouldn’t be able to chase him any more. The wounds he inflicted on them would prevent them from fighting as they used to unless they got a fuck ton of physical therapy and/or robotic prosthesis. Or, he could do the same as he did with Ashi in canon and take the survivors. Teach them about the world. About Aku’s lies. About what he’s really fighting for, and let them make the choice on their own. Because they never had a choice before, but now they do, and let it be overwhelming and confusing. Let them make mistakes, but let them learn from it. They don’t all have to make the right choice at the end, but they shouldn’t have to die for it. Show the conflict and correction from sisters who did make the right choice and let them be.

Option 3: None of the sisters die by Jack’s hand.

Same as option two, but Jack doesn’t kill any of them. He saves the ones who need immediate medical attention, teaches them, and lets those sisters go back to the ones he only inhibited. The saved sisters try to pass the rhetoric they learned only to be deemed weak and now they all have to fight each other. It can be to the death. The evil sisters who refused to change or learn would die, Ashi wouldn’t be by herself. They’d all have to come to terms with what they’ve done as some either go to fight Aku with Jack and Ashi, while the others leave so they can stew in their guilt of killing their sisters.

Option 4: Get his ass!!!!!

Have Ashi actively resent Jack for killing all her sisters. No, I don’t care what half-assed explanation Ashi gave to her mother, you don’t get raised with 6 other people and some of them NOT form of bond between each other when you’re all working towards the same goal. Especially when they had to function as a unit! Her mother wasn’t Aku, she didn’t see everything they did as soon as it was bedtime for 20 something years.

I want this to be a chip on her shoulder, I don’t want her shifting the blame of everything onto her mother. Yes, Jack was going to kill everyone and only Ashi survived, but why didn’t he do the killing blow for her? Why didn’t he try harder to save any of the other sisters? Why did he go for the kill shot every time instead of just mortally wounding them to prevent them from fighting if he knew they were humans and not robots? Isn’t he supposed to protect people? Isn’t he supposed to save people? Like yes, still have her learn the world is a wonderful place and Aku is making it worse, and still have her go to fight Aku for the sisters she’d lost, but don’t have her fall in love with the man who killed the only family she’d ever known before being thrusted into an unknown world and then have a sexual awakening on top of that??????? WHAT???????

Would've been better having Ashi see things and think of memories of her sisters that connected her with them through said images or objects, and then going through the process of mourning for each one before the confrontation with her mother.

Option 5: Have Ashi fall in love with Jack first. (Best One for Romance)

Can we say scouting missions? The daughters of aku were displayed as being curious through scenes when they observe unusual behaviors to the new environments they’re scouring through. Have them hunt Jack without the efficiency of the imakandi, and learn about the world on their own. Ashi is the leader so she’s responsible for finding Jack first, but that leaves the other six to sharpen weapons, get supplies,etc. They do need to eat and sleep as they’re still human. Then they have to interact with people, and animals, and nature and learn on their own. Have them hear stories about how great Aku is, and how awful Aku is from a variety of the people they have to meet from these supply runs or leads towards Jack that turn out to be false.

Make them argue with each other about what’s true and what isn’t from what they’ve heard of Aku. Show a struggle of acceptance when the strangers they talk to present proof of how “Great” or “Awful” Aku has been. Let them make the decision on what being human actually means WHILE Ashi is scouting and watching Jack do all these good things for innocent people, and then have her come back to settle any confusion ready to say their mother is wrong only to be interrupted by their mother telling them Jack’s location before Ashi can get the words out.

Even sweeter if you have Jack notice when he’s alone versus when he’s “alone” (ashi is watching), and he talks to her. It starts with things like “if your intent is to kill me, I ask you to reconsider” then changes to “if you’re hungry, i’m leaving the excess here, help yourself” until its “your killing intent has long since vanished, do you wish to speak to me finally?” because Jack is already used to randos turning into traveling companions (blue totoro, da samurai, scotsman, ikra) he can accept the stalking to an extent as long as it doesn't escalate negatively.

After their mother’s message, the sisters find Jack, but they struggle to fight him not out of lack of skill, but because they know so much about the world now, and they’re not sure what to believe anymore. Let Jack see their hesitation and capitalize on it with his words, until Ashi puts her foot down by taking Jack’s side. Since she’s the leader, and with all they know now, they choose to follow Ashi’s word. They then proceed to travel together and tease tf out of Ashi about her feelings for the samurai.

Final thoughts:

Any of these options excluding 4 since it’s more canon streamlined, could be much more easily done by having the first half of the series being about the sisters development flanking Jack’s turmoil plot, and the second half being about the daughters making mistakes and learning from them as they build towards the final fight which becomes much more badass in that Jack’s friends are fighting anywhere from 2-7 daughters of aku in that cool evil form with all the evil robots.

The relationship of the daughters of aku was more of a pacing issue than a writing issue, but I think if they focused more on the fact of we’re going to watch a family die over a lie instead of “they’re all mindless and only ashi has emotions” their deaths would’ve hurt A Lot more. Ashi’s development would’ve been more meaningful, and Jack’s guilt would’ve been much heavier. However someone wanted their hashed in romance so I guess this would’ve stuck a sword in their well-made plans.

Not to mention the idea that the daughters were the only people Jack killed over the span of 50 years makes it ring more out as shock value killing. As if there wouldn’t be non-robotic aliens or non-robotic humans or non-robotic human-alien hybrids who wouldn’t 100% follow Aku of their own violation? Nah, we’ve seen them, and we can see what privilege does to people. Plus if they had privileges that would be taken away by Aku’s downfall...well...I don’t think Aku was the only one asking for Jack’s head on a platter.

#samurai jack #daughters of aku #ashi #jashi #meta #i do like jashi i just wish it was executed better #long post of alternatives

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vore-scientist · 5 years

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i’ve actually written Enchanted Forest Chronicles fanfiction before but it’s GT with no vore and a very different story, like a story with a beginning, middle and end (though i never finished it), in contrast Yonah and Sophia’s story is like, a place to write a ton of stories in, with no end-goal.

In the other story, i forget what I called it, there was a princess, and she was being held captive by giants. Dobilan had come out of retirement as a special favor for a king and kidnapped one of his daughters. She’s cool with this, she is excited to have her own fairytale story

But bad timing, a young thief is on a mission for the thieves guild, to get something from Dobilan (giants have, stockpiles of valuable shit).

Yes of course the thief is named Jack, just a coincidence. He’s not going to trick Dobilan’s wife and steal a bunch of shit, he’s really a pro thief and after one item in particular

He did not count on a princess being there, and he accidentally wakes her up, and just as he manages to nab the item he was after, she teleports them away (her mother is a sorceress queen, she knows a little magic)

Well, that goes wrong and they end up in a dragon’s cave. Jack is impulsive and steals a dragon egg before they teleport again. Now they are in the middle of the forest.

The princess is PISSED! she was rescued by a THIEF! NOT A KNIGHT, NOT A PRINCE!!! A COMMON THIEF. Who she is now obligated to marry. Jack isnt happy about that either, he doesnt want to be a prince! Suddenly, a wizard appears and steals the egg from Jack! Then the dragons come.

Turns out he egg had been laid by the King of Dragons, who will forgive Jack and the princess’s transgression if they retrieve the egg

To do that they need to break in the HQ of the Society of Wizards

Jack has a special thief spell that will shrink them, and they go to steal the egg. Jack uses the object he stole from Dobilan (a gyges ring, basically like the One Ring from LOTR but it’s not evil, it just makes you invisible)

I actually wrote all this out, it’s on my deviantart as a proper fanfiction

I didnt get any further than arrival at the HQ but the end of the story was gonna be the egg hatches at the HQ, and the two shrunken heroes escape by flying out on it’s back! exciting!

They do get married bc during this mission they end up liking each other, despite the bad first impression

a simple story, i would love to finish writing it someday

#not vore

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