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Soren: I have divorced parents. My mom left. My sister has gone mad. My future brother-in-law is a kind tree elf who is pretty cool. My dad is dying. And oh, I have a stepfather and a creepy half-sibling!
#how soren introduces his family:#the dragon prince#tdp soren#tdp claudia#tdp viren#tdp aaravos#soren#claudia#viren#aaravos#terry#tdp terry#viravos#tdp lissa
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uUm, sir she started it- A lil comic about how Viren and Lissa met
#tdp lissa#tdp viren#lord viren#tdp kpp'ar#tdp fan art#there are so many head canons in this comic I could explain in detail but eh#you readers can fill out the gaps#viren x lissa#sarasadeart
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Man Zubeia raised Soren more than his parents did
#my post#the dragon prince#tdp#zubeia#tdp soren#soren#tdp viren#viren#tdp lissa#lissa#lissa tdp#tdp season 5#tdp book 5
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I like to headcanon that Lissa and Amaya had a casually flirty friendship. After Lissa left Viren, she hooked up with Amaya once while Amaya was visiting Del Bar on some diplomatic military thing. (Lissa still self-identifies as straight, but maintains that if you're going to experiment with lesbianism, Amaya is a good person to try it with.) Amaya couldn't resist bringing this up the next time she saw Viren.
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Kpp'Ar, the Staff of Ziard and why Lissa left.
This is really spoilerly for Puzzle House and the novels, so just gonna put most of this under a cut.
In short, I think the reason Viren coined Kpp'Ar and Lissa divorced Viren comes down his use of the Staff of Ziard.
In Puzzle House Kpp'Ar is researching unicorns, presumably for the Stars magic to heal Soren, who from Book: Moon novel/Puzzle House is confirmed to have a long term illness that affects his breathing, leaves him bedridden and eventually he becomes deathly ill.
But before a cure for Soren is found Kpp'Ar renounces dark magic and focuses on mechanisms and puzzles (specifically a surprise for Soren and Claudia inside his manor/Puzzle House).
Viren refers to this as "the profligate tantrum [Kpp'Ar] called his repentance" in Book Sky. Kpp'Ar destroys a bunch of relics and spellbooks. One of the relics Kpp'Ar destroys is a copy of the bloodbinding ritual box;
Most likely the potion Kpp'Ar used that caused this tantrum was the same one Viren uses the last dose of trying to figure out the mirror. Eyeless viper serum -handed down from the Oracles of Ophidia who existed before Elarion fell - which sees through the illusions of the world. It's the most powerful, and risky, anti-illusion spell they had access to. While it doesn't let Kpp'Ar see the map inside the scroll, it might have let him see through another long standing illusion - the Aaravos censoring spell.
Given that Kpp'Ar seems to have inherited stuff all the way down from Ziard and probably stuff from the Jailer, given their joint obsession with puzzles, most likely stuff from the mage king from events surrounding Aaravos' imprisonment too. (This mage king seems to be from Katolis, and presumably died during this war, resulting in Orphan Queen's deeds making her the new Queen). It seems likely that Kpp'Ar found out about a least some of Aaravos' plans and his relation to dark magic, which so horrified Kpp'Ar he immediately gives it up.
But if Kpp'Ar is cleansing his possessions of anything to do with Aaravos, than why is the Staff of Ziard still around?
While Kpp'Ar has given up on dark magic, locating unicorns, and essentially curing Soren, Viren is still very desperate. Kpp'Ar and Viren are arguing - Claudia overhears them one time;
[Claudia] had snuck into Kpp'Ar's "puzzle house" and was hiding in one of the passages when she overheard the angry yelling. She could still hear her father shouting at Kpp'Ar, "I'll do anything to protect my family - however dangerous, however vile!" [Book: Sky novel]
During this time Viren uses the Staff to curse Kpp'Ar into a coin. What's notable is that we know from Callum's research into reversing the curse is that the Staff allows for use of Stars related dark magic - exactly what Kpp'Ar and Viren were looking for to cure Soren.
What if the Staff was some dangerous relic locked away for centuries that Viren claimed against Kpp'Ar wishes, possibly even tried to forbid Viren from using or Kpp'Ar was actively trying to destroy it. Which is why Viren coined Kpp'Ar - sadly, before Kpp'Ar could explain anything about Aaravos and why the Staff is so dangerous and vile.
Then Viren uses the Staff to cure Soren, essentially making a Faustian deal with Aaravos. Which is why Aaravos immediately decides to go ahead with the bloodbinding ritual as soon as he notices Viren is the wielder of the Staff. Viren has already agreed to go along with whatever the Staff's real (and as Kpp'Ar likely worded it, vile) purpose is.
This healing spell wreaks Viren's appearance, causing massive amounts of corruption all at once.
After which the relationship between him and his wife, Lissa, becomes strained. Viren believes this is related to his destroyed appearance, but overlooks the fact he's still using the dangerous relic that wreaked him. Despite knowing it's dangerous - using it increases his power a lot. (Compare Viren's aspiro frigis when backed with a primal stone and the Staff to Callum's aspiro frigis when backed with just a primal stone. No contest). Viren doesn't want to give up this power and is likely ignoring Lissa's protests about it. Also, she might know about what he did to Kpp'Ar, which would be a thorny issue in itself.
And going from comments made by Callum in Callum's Spellbook, Viren's behaviour starts deteriorating at around this point. Though to fair, cursing your mentor would definitely count as crossing a moral event horizon.
#kpp'ar#tdp spoilers#viren#tdp speculation#tdp season 5 spoilers#tdp lissa#tdp theory#puzzle house spoilers
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Soren thought he was done chasing, done reaching—
reaching for people who turned their backs on him,
who closed doors in his face,
who disappeared over the horizon and never returned.
from Strangers
#the dragon prince#tdp shorts#tdp soren#tdp viren#tdp lissa#tdp claudia#reaching motif#tdp s5 spoilers#OW ow right in the feelings#3x07#lost child#strangers#currently losing my MIND#s5 viren fever dream reflecting on his relationship regrets with soren yesss i believe it
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Viren gets bitches
#I've never seen someone with such chemistry in all his main ships#If all three of these were canon it wouldn't surprise me at all#Viravos#Virrow#Liren#TDP Viren#Viren#TDP Lissa#King Harrow#Aaravos
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but like what do lissa's parents think of viren / everything y'know?
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Lissa crumbs. So she plays the piano AND wears glasses AND has her hair in a bun
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So are we still only talking about Sarai here, or maybe about Lissa as well ...?
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What we know about Lissa so far
So, I was curious what other people think of Lissa, what she was actually like and for that I wanted to write down all the thinks we learned about her so far
(please feel free to add stuff in case I forgot something)
- Viren’s ex-wife
- mother of Claudia and Soren
- originally from Del Bar
- fought alot with Viren after the incedent with Soren
- decided to break up with him because of that
- went back to Del Bar to her family, leaving Soren and Claudia behind (after Soren said he wanted to stay with his father)
- has her hair in a bun
- wears glasses
- uses violet perfume
- plays the piano
(and some less object things about her, since they are from Viren’s perspective)
- Viren still seems to miss her
- When Lissa became afraid of Viren due to is disfigurement from dark magic he searched for a way to retrieve his appearance. He managed to do so, but it didn’t change Lissas opinion
- When he is yelled at by Opeli he first thought it was Lissa (???? I know I mentioned this multiple times already but it’s still so weird to me????)
- Both Viren and Lissa showed Claudia the grotto with the wisps (Claudia used for the traction spell to find Callum and Ezran)
-> personal HC about this: the grotto used to be a place where Viren and Lissa hanged out when they were still just dating
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Lissa as Del Bar queen
So I'm half joking right now I don't think it's going to happen at all but it just crossed my mind that it would be funny if Lissa decide to become the new queen of Del Bar. Lissa is Claudia and Soren's mother and she and viren split up she moved back to Del Bar. Now in Del Bar the new ruler is chosen from the winner of their traditional gladiatorial moot. Everyone who want to fight for the throne is welcome, meaning that if Lissa wants she can try as well. Soren got his muscles from someone and that is not from Viren so it could be from her. She could be a strong warrior. I just thought it could be hilarious if Claudia and Soren will meet her as a queen, especially when her ex-husband is the one who responsible for the assassination of the former king.
I don't think it's going to happen but it could be a great twist.
#the dragon prince#del bar#tdp#tdp del bar#lord viren#tdp claudia#claudia#tdp lissa#lissa#soren#tdp soren#king florian#moonshadow assassins#gladiatorian moot
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"Fandom ignores female characters while inventing elaborate backstories for male characters with no speaking lines."
is a common fandom copypasta but also
these people clearly haven't heard of Lissa The Dragon Prince and the 5 people on Tumblr who have formed a dedicated fandom around her.
#I genuinely don't know which fandom this copypasta refers to- I just see it from time to time#Gen§hin? who cares that much about Gen§hin lol#maybe it's just an over the top way of saying that female characters get ingnored idk#sarasade text#I count myself as a delusional Lissa fan#tdp#tdp fandom#tdp lissa
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Del Barian characters
Here is a list of all the Del Barian characters I found, if you know about others please let me know.
Florian (he/him)-the king of Del Bar
Lissa (she/her)-Viren's ex-wife
Manken (he/him)-dragon hunter
Joffran (he/him)-satirist
Winda (she/her)-hunter
Lothis-swimmer
#the dragon prince#tdp#tales of xadia#tales of xadia characters#tox#tdp del bar#del bar#tdp florian#tdp lissa#tox manken#tox winda#lothis#tox joffran#tdp lists
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Reading articles about how couples cope with their child's mortal illness and wow of course Lissa and Viren couldn't remain together after that
#tdp#tdp viren#tdp lissa#for example they stop enjoying anything because it lakes them feel guilty that they are having fun while their kid is dying#or they stop being a couple to become exclusively parents#or they feel guilty when the diagnosis is first uttered because they feel like had they been good parents they would have seen it coming#why I am reading such horrible things in the middle of summer#In the Puzzle House Viren says he is doing well enough#like hell he is
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Right I got super nervous thinking my Lissa/Viren no fault divorce fic was gonna get trashed by cannon pdq.. so I have finished it off in a bit of a hurry but..
I think their break up is one of the few things I feel pretty strongly about.. like of course there must have been problems and issues that caused their divorce but I really want to believe that it doesn’t have to be that either of them behaved like massive arseholes??
Okay.. I’m not stupid, deep down I know it is probably because Viren did behave like a total dick, and if he didn’t coin Lissa she was probably worried that he was going to.. but hey lemme have this..
I am also pretty invested in free spirit Lissa, I like her, maybe Viren could have tamed her for a little while.. maybe in another life they could have wandered the continent doing dark magic and music together, several grubby little kids in tow.. but that wasn’t the life presented to them.. so idk.. sometimes it goes that way..
Composed mostly on the fumes of Sharon Van Etten.. tho Lissa for me has kinda Karen Dalton vibes..
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