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valninja · 1 year

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“Then keep me instead... I’d love to see your nation.”

“You can’t come down there in that.”

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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Riri and Namor discussing Shuri.

Riri: I bet your chances of getting her number would increase if you spared my life.

Namor: That's ridiculous.

Namor: But what percentage are we talking about?

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callmelinamfsnow · 1 year

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Me, days after I watched Wakanda Forever and started to see more of Shuri x Namor:

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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Ok... I literally see people saying that Namor lied to Shuri right in the face besides killing his mother and like... When ? How ? Where the hell did he lie to her in the movie ?! It literally never happened ! On the contrary, he has always been very clear and honest with her ! I hear people don't like this ship. But denying the undeniably romantic aspects and making up negative things that don't exist, just to justify hating the ship in question is profoundly stupid.

Besides, literally I'm sick of seeing the fact that he killed his mother repeated over and over as justification that the ship will never happen. Really, you had to see/read very little, if any, enemy-to-lover story in your life to say that. Literally Shuri and Namor would be among the softest I've seen / read in this sense to say !

Anyway, now Namor is a liar. An unoriginal novelty.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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I ship Namor and Shuri too but you can't say that Namor didn't kill Ramonda. He did. He even Saw Shuri crying and coldly told her "you're Queen now". He didn't care about her death

Well if I may say so. The proof, I will do it again :

Namor did not kill Queen Ramonda on purpose.

I said I didn't justify it and I did. Simply, I just see the situation objectively / as a whole. Killing the queen was not Namor's primary goal.

If the floor hadn't been glass (which Namor didn't know), the queen probably wouldn't have died.

If the queen hadn't chosen to save the scientist, she wouldn't have died either.

Several factors, beyond Namor's primary action, contributed to the queen's death.

The actor himself has already said that it was not Namor's original intention to kill the queen.

It's just facts.

I don't care if you accept them or not.

Let's be clear, you have the right to resent Namor for his action, which I do too.

However, that is not a reason to deliberately ignore fairly obvious facts, even more to allow oneself to say to others that : "No, you cannot say that he did not do that, because he did it."

I said that Namor didn't kill the queen intentionally and directly, which is true. Is he still responsible for his death ? In part, yes. On the other hand, was it premeditated and or voluntary ? No.

Also, Namor is an immortal god, who was literally full of rage because members of his people, (the equivalent of his children might say) whom he has always placed above all for centuries, were killed by an envoy from the queen. As a result, rather logical that he isn't more compassionate than that in the moment when he realizes she's dead.

Even if once again, it was horrible to appear cold and to say such words to Shuri, it was not fundamentally surprising at that time with the context / what happened before.

And that's not valid evidence either to say that Namor intentionally killed Queen Ramonda.

It's crazy though. I literally just made a post that talks about the subject in a clear way, and they still come in the following minutes to tell me that no, I'm wrong, Namor deliberately killed the queen.

What joke.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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Me, writing a story or a little human girl with strange powers related to death, is taken in by a powerful immortal wizard always dressed in black, where the two feel a strange bond connecting them. Years will pass and the two will eventually develop romantic feelings for each other. All within a progressive magical and political chaos that will tip their relationship into a more or less enemy phase when the girl discovers a truth about her sorcerer lover, which will therefore obviously make them take different paths for a time, before d 'get their happy ending or they'll find out they were actually soul mates, explaining the strange bond between them and therefore that they were predestined.

The title : The Rise of Shadows.

I can't wait for the day I get this story out and get insulted as an abuse / grooming / pedophilia apologist.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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I love it when the anti say that there is no romance between Shuri and Namor in the film, even in subtext, and that we are delirious to see a dynamic Hades and Persephone, and or Beauty and the beast between Namor and Shuri. That the ship will never happen, because they cut the basic planned scenes, etc...

All that when Riri literally quotes Beauty and the Beast in a scene from the film...

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Also, the fact that technically the song playing in the background as Namor shows Shuri around his kingdom is a love song ?

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I understand that it also represents the kingdom of Talokan, but the fact is that the choice of song remains disturbing and brings an inevitable double meaning.

So for people who think romance is non-existent... Well it's actually there, keep it in subtext.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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From what I know about Namor, he's a jerk who has complicated relationships with women who may have a reason to want to strangle him.

And him and Shuri, while I don't believe it will be canon, is just delicious. I don't know if it was the script, the actors or both, but they just sizzled onscreen.

In fact, the original script had a much more explicit romance. They didn't keep it, but clearly it remained in subtext. I don't see why it's impossible for the relationship to become canon in the future, since it was close to being in the first movie, and they didn't remove the romantic subtext. If they had wanted to eliminate all possibility, the subtext would not have remained in my opinion.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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How does the fact that Namor didn't actually want to kill the queen take away his agency ? Namor does a lot of things on his own during the film, on his own initiative, which have consequences. How could one accident take away all of his agency ?

We are not in HOTD, where the bad guys are reduced to systematically committing crimes BY accidents.

Namor does things by himself, and on his own. God, he decided to attack Wakanda and its people ! An already horrible thing. How could he not have an agency in this movie ?!

By the way, when did I deny that Namor was responsible for Ramonda's death ? It very clearly is, in part. Besides, isn't it also negating Queen Ramonda's agency to blame everything on Namor regarding her death? (Yes, it is)

Then, yes he threw the water bombs. Did I say otherwise ? No. Just be realistic. Nobody would have drowned, if the floor hadn't been GLASS. What Namor didn't know.

It's just a fact.

How on earth was he supposed to know then (as this person says in an obviously very calm way), that the queen was going to drown for sure ?

Oh I know ! He could not.

Also, for a guy who "planned" to kill the queen, he actually looks pretty shocked after that :

Yes, he threatened the queen earlier in the film. But that was in case she revealed to Americans the existence of her people. Which she didn't, so he had no direct reason to kill her. From what we've seen, Namor keeps its promises, even the most horrible. Why wouldn't he have respected this one ?

Also, there is no certainty that upon entering the room he would have killed the queen with his own hands if the bombs hadn't done the job. Find me a single scene that insinuates it ? I know there isn't. It's just a flawed personal interpretation.

Ah, and from the dialogue that follows, Namor still gives Wakanda the choice of being an ally or an enemy. Outside, directly killing the queen of said people, in addition to the offensive attack, would not be very intelligent if he still hoped for an alliance, even forced, with Wakanda.

Yes, he still attacked and killed people in Wakanda. However, here is the context : People of the people of Namor are dead. As a result, he has come to kill people in Wakanda, in order to show what he is capable of. A form of personal justice, stemming from his own twisted moral code as an anti-hero.

Pretty classic.

On the other hand, killing the queen was useless. It went directly against the very words of the character, who always seems to keep his word, as well as his remaining goal of forcing an alliance with Wakanda in the end.

Namor is a god, I think he has a modicum of brains.

Then I will repeat myself, but Namor (again) is an immortal god, who was literally full of rage, because members of his people, (the equivalent of his children) whom he always placed above- above all for centuries, were killed by an envoy of the QUEEN. As a result, it's kind of logical that he wouldn't be any more compassionate than that by the time he realizes she's dead, let alone even react to help her when she's still alive and let her drown. Yes, I dare.

Think for a second, even if it was not his initial goal to kill Ramonda, I remember that he judges that because of her, people of his people, whom he places above everything, died !

It's not impossible that Namor didn't want to kill the queen in the first place, but that resentment and the desire for revenge could very well have blinded him beyond common sense when he saw Ramonda's death happen. It is the heart of the film, I recall, to be blinded and consumed by revenge.

Namor, probably : Oh, the queen is dying ? Well, because of her members of my people died. She really dead ? Shit ! Collateral damage. It's war anyway.

Also, beyond that his face looks shocked at the death of the queen, it also seems fair to say that he seems to regret it.

Then, I think the actor knows a minimum of his character. And what he says is not delusional with what was shown on the screen. So why would that be a wrong take ? Why is this not possible ?

I know why, because it shatters your view of Namor as a ruthless assassin. The thing is, everything I said is true, or at least potentially matches what the movie just showed. So frankly, you can say whatever you want. Write all the messages in capital letters in the world, you won't make me change my mind. Nobody will.

Of course, you are free to have and share your opinion, that's not a problem, but with a minimum of respect is that too much to ask ? Otherwise, you will find yourself stuck like these people.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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SO. I saw Wakanda Forever.

Let's be clear, Shuri & Namor are my new ship.

But there is something that bothered me when scrolling down in the tag dedicated to them and even discussions that I saw on the internet in general, it was the famous :

"But Namor is horrible, because he killed Shuri's mother. There's no way she'll ever forgive that."

And it disturbs me because I wonder if these people and I have seen the same film. So it's an opinion that one of my friends shares, including my father but here is my opinion :

Namor did not kill (at least not on purpose/directly) Queen Ramonda. He threw fucking water bombs. Literally, if it hadn't been for the glass floor, it wouldn't have killed the queen. And as far as I know, Namor didn't know what the floor was made of. Then, the queen chose to save the scientist. Without that choice, she wouldn't have died either. It was several factors that killed the queen, rather than Namor directly. I'm not trying to justify what caused Namor's action = killing the queen. But it is worth remembering that clearly, that was not his primary intention and that he is not the only one to have contributed to it. The ground, and the decision of the queen also did their part of the job.

Many tell me that's an easy excuse and a bit big, but the fact is that it is. That's just literally what happened !

And let's be clear, the scientist, Wakanda and Namor all have their share of responsibility for the shit that happened during the film. Every decision the characters make has consequences. That's why I don't like seeing people push Namor's narrative as the ultimate villain. He's an anti-hero, not a villain. Damn, people struggle with the concept of complexity... Not to mention that I believe the actor himself confirmed that Namor didn't want to kill the queen. So what more do you need than that ?

Namor and Shuri also seem in a Beauty and the Beast / Hades & Persephone dynamic. They're kind of the enemies-to-lovers trope, and I don't see why Shuri couldn't ever forgive Namor. Besides, there are fanfictions that do it very well. Clearly, with the context surrounding the queen's death, this is soft compared to other things I've seen or read in the enemies to lovers category.

So this idea that Shuri could never forgive Namor makes me laugh softly.

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darklinaforever · 1 year

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Is the original script available? I would like to read it for.. . research. Yeah. Research.

It is easily found in the nashuri tag. 😂

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