#she was a pretty decent mom to blackstar and his siblings as far as i remember
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#hollyflower#shadowclan#starclan#i have umm. mixed feelings about her#she blatantly got with someone she knew had a mate (not that he's not also guilty ofc) so i really don't like that#she was a pretty decent mom to blackstar and his siblings as far as i remember#but she was also extremely dismissive of lizardstripe's concerns about motherhood and just spews that same.#same stupid ass line of 'oh well you don't know whether or not you'll have kids but you should want it bc woman'#also she says 'having kits to raise as warriors is the duty of every queen' (literally quoted word for word)#😬😬😬😬😬#so like mothwing I'm extremely split on whether or not i like her(although i definitely have more dislike for this rhetoric so probably.#probably i would prefer mothwing but ehhh they both have problems#pretty name tho
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