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jarofglitter · 7 years

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Another GW2 Guild/Community drama heads up. I have been going over the conversations, and thinking if there is anything I want to add.

Perhaps two things, that actually *hurt* me the most was that a) my aid (giving away stocks of all kinds of mats from common to rare or what little saved gold I had, purchasing and crafting things for people, keeping them company or being part of the group so they could complete something they seek quicker, etc.) was erased so very easily, and b) that the misinterpretation of my help and intentions for a sick friend to be taken as "taking over her project"

Also we have been doing the "help others" thing way before any of us jumped to this server. Before there wans any idea of making a guild. Keeping track of it just made it official. I am also bit puzzled on why this is one person's project but not the community's...

For what it is worth, I will keep helping others.

Zeb’s DMs 4/4

Zeb---- Today at 2:54 PM I never have

del - Today at 2:54 PM I am really tired to reason with anyone.

Zeb---- Today at 2:54 PM now you're putting words into my mouth

del - Today at 2:55 PM No, I'm not. That is WHAT they did.

Zeb---- Today at 2:55 PM I am not THEY

del - Today at 2:55 PM You will be part of it soon, eventually. So I am just telling it bluntly.

Zeb---- Today at 2:55 PM Everyone is their own person

del - Today at 2:55 PM I dont udnerstand this intense fear of order.

Zeb---- Today at 2:56 PM thats not what this is. we never talked over what the rules should have been and we never settled on a time to talk it over

del - Today at 2:56 PM ZEB WOULD YOU PLEASE READ WHAT I AM WRITING

Zeb---- Today at 2:56 PM I did

del - Today at 2:56 PM THE *GUIDELINES WERE MADE OUT OF NECESIRTY AND HASTILY I NEVER SAID THEY WERE FINAL AND WE ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT CONTIBRUTION

Zeb---- Today at 2:57 PM BUT YOU ACTED ON THEM AS IF THEY WERE

del - Today at 2:57 PM NONE OF YOU STEPPED FORWARD AND SHARED WHAT YOU THINK YOU SUMPLY DID NOT

Zeb---- Today at 2:57 PM WE TRIED

del - Today at 2:57 PM YOU DO NOT GET TO BLAME ME FOR THAT

Zeb---- Today at 2:57 PM I TRIED

del - Today at 2:57 PM NO NONE OF YOU DID

Zeb---- Today at 2:57 PM and you cant just go ahead with rules if no one collaborates

del - Today at 2:57 PM THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE CONVERSITATON ABOUT IT

Zeb---- Today at 2:57 PM I know

del - Today at 2:57 PM EVEN AFTER I ASKED PEOPLE IF THEY LIKED IT OR NOT

Zeb---- Today at 2:58 PM exactly. it never should have been decided, then passed to us

del - Today at 2:58 PM I didnt establish rules out of my ass.

Zeb---- Today at 2:58 PM you kind of did. hastily.

del - Today at 2:58 PM People needed chat rooms, I made chat rooms. I wrote a text to explain what they are for to avoid confusion and chaos.

Zeb---- Today at 2:58 PM there was never confusion and chaos

del - Today at 2:58 PM People misused them many times, I let them slip, then warned and nudged, and they just kept doing it. Zeb...

Zeb---- Today at 2:59 PM ok... listen to this.

del - Today at 2:59 PM the point isnt "it wasnt yet"(edited) the purpose fo those were to avoid it before it happened

Zeb---- Today at 2:59 PM thats not how rules are made. There was never a speed limit rule before cars were invented.

Zeb---- Today at 3:00 PM and despite us using chat channels for things other than your intended purpose, there was never chaos

del - Today at 3:00 PM Hello, I have common sense and a little bit of knowldge on community space works.

Zeb---- Today at 3:00 PM so do I

del - Today at 3:01 PM You dont wait to make note on "was your hands after you pee" on the toilet, you put it there before anyone pokes food with their peed hands.

Zeb---- Today at 3:01 PM actually, thats exactly how that came about. now as a society, its a non-issue rules arent made before problems exist

del - Today at 3:02 PM Zeb, we are poeple who are makign ruels and guidelines because of the experince they had. You cant just wait for things to get thesmelves on fire before making sure that doesnt happen. Why is this so ahrd to grasp? Is that an American thing?

Zeb---- Today at 3:02 PM you dont have to and that was uncalled for

del - Today at 3:02 PM Is that a culture thing? Because that is not how I was educated nor experinced. That is an honest question.

Zeb---- Today at 3:03 PM no, it was a low blow.

del - Today at 3:03 PM You know me well enough that I dont make jokes about those stuff.

Zeb---- Today at 3:03 PM didn't sound like a joke. sounded like a prod, which you've been known to do. even so

del - Today at 3:04 PM Prod?

Zeb---- Today at 3:04 PM a jab

del - Today at 3:04 PM What's a prod? Uhh... what's a jab?

Zeb---- Today at 3:04 PM a mean poke.

del - Today at 3:04 PM ...what? I didnt do that out of meaness. I asked it honeslty. Why would I be mean?

Zeb---- Today at 3:06 PM Good question. you have been in the past, but its irrelevant right now.

You dont have to wait for things to come crashing down to make rules. Thats not what im suggesting.

But rules as strict as yours about things as minor as yours were made pre-emptively. If unrest had come about, then a more direct degree of order might be warranted

del - Today at 3:07 PM I will give you two simple examples. Sassy requested a music bot. I created a connected voice and text channel for it. Why? I have my own hearing problems. I cannot hear people well all the time. Especially when there is many of them. Considering there might be other people like me who would prefer to have a channel for conversitation other than music bc everyone can have their music in bg, I madema spesific voice channel for it. It was not only to help people like me but also the music bot into a shared secondary activty within the server. Encouraging people to share their loved songs and sing a long if they wished. Idy didnt really enjoy others singing, so she avoided to music channel.

Zeb---- Today at 3:10 PM no one has had an issue with the music bot or its affiliated channel, and they are completely beside the issue.

The issues were entirely within the confines of the overabundance of voice channels

del - Today at 3:10 PM If she didnt have alternate options she would be stuck there or would be avoiding having calls with us. The text channel was for bot to avoid clutter in general chat. Bc when you write in general it pins everyone up. Why would we harass people with it? It got his own channels so people could use them without disturbing others. This was a prediction and served us well. Oh, I forgot the second one...

Zeb---- Today at 3:12 PM again, the music bot and its channels has nothing to do with this. Next?

del - Today at 3:13 PM Again you are missing my point.

Zeb---- Today at 3:13 PM im not.

del - Today at 3:13 PM I am trying to show you why I made guidelines with what predictions. You are ignoring it then.

Zeb---- Today at 3:14 PM not all of the rules or regulation are applicable to the current situation, so you cant lump them all together as either "complete oversaturation of rules" or "complete anarchy". There is an in-between. and Im not ignoring it

del - Today at 3:15 PM What I am trying to say is, I made all those channels with predictions and all those served well. There wasnt anarchy because I did my best to avoid it, despite everyone refusal to follow the guidelines.

Zeb---- Today at 3:15 PM no, there wasn't anarchy because there wouldn't have been anyway. There's no anarchy in and discord chat im in, of the 25 or 30 im in.

del - Today at 3:16 PM If you are not missing the point and if you are not ignoring it, then what are you doing Zeb? Because I dont think you are stupid.

Zeb---- Today at 3:16 PM you are failing to see that i am not missing your point, you are ignoring mine. which you interprit as me missing it. and this is where the disconnect is

del - Today at 3:18 PM No, your point doesnt make sense. You are cheering for no rules no guidelines.

Zeb---- Today at 3:18 PM no im not. Im cheering for fewer, but important, rules. because overabundance of rules stresses members out, and makes more work for the owners there is no benefit

del - Today at 3:19 PM Okay. Do me favour. Shut up about how I did everything wrong, and tell me how you would do.

Zeb---- Today at 3:19 PM sure

del - Today at 3:20 PM Make a server, design it the way you want and invite me.

Zeb---- Today at 3:28 PM I am making a server for a group of 6 to 10 people, which was the original scope of our group. If it grew bigger, it would change.

I am consoling a friend on voice chat, so I wont be accompanying you there.

If you have questions, ask them here. [link]

**IN THE SERVER**

del - Today at 3:30 PM okay... want me to point of your msitakes? out*

Zeb---- Today at 3:31 PM point out your opinion of flaws, and I will tell you why I made the decisions. how about that, instead of you calling them mistakes already.

del - Today at 3:31 PM General chat pings everyone when a message sent in.

Zeb---- Today at 3:31 PM ok users can mute that if they choose so its no issue

del - Today at 3:31 PM you cant mute general as well as i know but that is not the point now be quiet and read

Zeb---- Today at 3:32 PM one at a time to avoid confusion http://puu.sh/xjX8w/db32ef6491.png

del - Today at 3:33 PM People who are going to use any of those VCs will not always have a mike, will not always be able to talk, or they might be mute. To avoid confusion between the general chat and what those people would like to say when they are lsitening to your friends, you need a channel for them. If you make them write in general chat, it will confuse the people who are not in VC

Zeb---- Today at 3:34 PM they dont need mics. they should chat in game with their party.

del - Today at 3:34 PM Which did, in our other server, something I know from experince, and that is WHY I created the text for speech channel in our server.

Zeb---- Today at 3:34 PM I dont have 2 monitors, even when Idy types in her chat, I miss it. and im not tabbing out to read it. I read party chat,

del - Today at 3:34 PM Not everyone is in the same part or squad or guild.

Zeb---- Today at 3:35 PM then whisper, or read the guild chat,

del - Today at 3:35 PM So you are simply ignoring her because she doesnt have a mike?

Zeb---- Today at 3:35 PM no...

del - Today at 3:35 PM What if she is talking towards multiple people? Who are all in different guilds?

Zeb---- Today at 3:35 PM if she has no mic and wont use general, party, guild, or whisper, then why is she here? you can chat and see chat across multiple guilds in game

del - Today at 3:36 PM Wow.

Zeb---- Today at 3:36 PM thats what I do and its much easier.

del - Today at 3:36 PM Okay.

Zeb---- Today at 3:36 PM if they are part of the guild, its presumed they want to be,

del - Today at 3:36 PM So you are saying I can talk to Idy on voice and she can asnwer me in guild chat. That wouldnt make peopel confusing at all? Who are not in the VC or in this server at all.

Zeb---- Today at 3:37 PM Im saying if its a private conversation, use whisper if its between multiple people, use party

del - Today at 3:37 PM You just kicked out a friend from this server for not having mic, instead of making interactions with her and people like her more easy. Contrgulations on your first ban.

Zeb---- Today at 3:37 PM i did not at all.

del - Today at 3:37 PM Next

Zeb---- Today at 3:37 PM I didnt do that. but sure, next.

del - Today at 3:38 PM What are those voice chats stands for? They have no presentation? Where the music bot gonna be?

Zeb---- Today at 3:38 PM there is no music bot unless many people want one. if they do, I can make one. and the VCs are generally

del - Today at 3:38 PM Many people wanted the bot. What now?

Zeb---- Today at 3:38 PM I heard sassy suggest it, but not more than that. and even so, sure. make a channel. Thats besides the point.

del - Today at 3:39 PM All of them have ben using it.

Zeb---- Today at 3:39 PM this is for guild communication

del - Today at 3:39 PM Asnwer my questions

Zeb---- Today at 3:39 PM I did.

del - Today at 3:39 PM Many people wanted the bot. What now?

Zeb---- Today at 3:39 PM so make a bot. sure. I didn't because no one is here. again, its besides the point

del - Today at 3:40 PM you dont have to make a bot. We are playing pretend. Many people wanted the bot. You get the bot. What now?(edited)

Zeb---- Today at 3:40 PM they play music in the channel for it. thats it.

del - Today at 3:41 PM and where they going to que and request songs for it?

Zeb---- Today at 3:41 PM thats all they need. and if they cant have a music bot and its a deal breaker, then bye. this is a guild for people to be with eachother and play, talk, and socialize

del - Today at 3:41 PM They need a text channel to be able to use the bot. So they can request songs.

Zeb---- Today at 3:41 PM messing with a music bot is not required. when the bot is added, then so will a text channel. but its not a requirement.

del - Today at 3:42 PM So, no fun is allowed everyone has to play GW2 and they cannot even talk anything other than GW2 even music? Got it.

Zeb---- Today at 3:42 PM didnt say that. stop putting words in my mouth.

del - Today at 3:42 PM This server you build is way too stricting than anything I did in the CAKE! server.

Zeb---- Today at 3:42 PM people can play other things. not at all.

del - Today at 3:42 PM Yes it is.

Zeb---- Today at 3:42 PM people can play whatever they want and be in whatever chat they want the VCs are there for people to use when necessary so they can form groups

del - Today at 3:43 PM There is no presentation and there is no rules, there is no way of telling how to use what. As far as I know people can use those one of those VCs for voice ERP, Zeb.(edited)

Zeb---- Today at 3:44 PM If people want to use things for ERP, then I can make an nsfw channel for them, sure. Boom, there it is.

del - Today at 3:44 PM EW

Zeb---- Today at 3:44 PM well, you asked.

del - Today at 3:44 PM No, I didnt asked for it.

Zeb---- Today at 3:44 PM next.

del - Today at 3:45 PM I pointed out none of those VCs has a decided purpose, they are just there. It is not presetanble.

Zeb---- Today at 3:45 PM they dont need to be

del - Today at 3:45 PM I persoally wouldnt spend too much time here to figure out what I am suppsoed to do without something to read to figure out what is it for what.

Zeb---- Today at 3:46 PM There can be 6 people in general chat to start with

del - Today at 3:46 PM There is also no space for community/guild projects.

Zeb---- Today at 3:46 PM doesn't need to be with 6 to 10 people, like the original scope we had.

del - Today at 3:46 PM You are forcing peopel to use general chat and clutter it with all kidns of information.

Zeb---- Today at 3:46 PM and you can use announcements for that

del - Today at 3:47 PM While you could have seperated rooms to spesific needs. This is chaotic and stressing.

Zeb---- Today at 3:47 PM I've covered the major bases. Most guilds ive been in dont have much more than this.

del - Today at 3:47 PM Well, we are not a guild.

Zeb---- Today at 3:47 PM and all the discord servers ive seen with all that clutter remain empty for a good chunk of time

del - Today at 3:47 PM We were a community that was suppsoed to house guildies and non-guildies all together. More people, more needs, more necessery space.

Zeb---- Today at 3:48 PM to be added as needed. no need, no add. here's an example: http://puu.sh/xjXvU/cae296564e.png

del - Today at 3:48 PM I added the thigns that was needed. I saw the ned and I added them. I didnt suddenly tried to make random channels just bc i feel like it.

Zeb---- Today at 3:48 PM they werent needs. they were 1 or 2 people asking for something

del - Today at 3:49 PM No not just 1 or 2 people I observed people Zeb

Zeb---- Today at 3:49 PM here's another example of a cluttered guild with no attendies http://puu.sh/xjXwJ/342fc3c4d4.png

del - Today at 3:49 PM I created those for people's needs, I didnt just made those because 1 person wanted.

Zeb---- Today at 3:49 PM http://puu.sh/xjXyo/66e8b8522e.png

del - Today at 3:49 PM Plus music bot is a fun thing, and I also wanted to have fun.

Zeb---- Today at 3:49 PM there were no needs there were desires. next?

del - Today at 3:50 PM That's a good scuruter, ours are almost the same. We just have prettier names.

Zeb---- Today at 3:50 PM notice how they are empty. and for the most part only 3 or 4 channels are used regularly

del - Today at 3:51 PM Next is, this server doesn't serve well to the needs of people. It is not presentable, it lacks any kind of rule and guidelines. It is home for anarchy.

Zeb---- Today at 3:51 PM it's got a generall rule that goes without saying, play nice. other stuff can be made as you go. and you are misusing the term anarchy.

del - Today at 3:52 PM chaos then, whatever. disorder. not everyone is capable of udnerstanding "general rules that goes without saying"

Zeb---- Today at 3:52 PM and clearly, very few are capable of understanding an ever growing mountain of rules.

del - Today at 3:52 PM i mean, look at the current poltical situtation? Do you think those people are "playing nice"? do you reallt think people here going to "play nice"? extreme example but, it is there

Zeb---- Today at 3:53 PM they were, and in every other server im in, they do. they arent now because they feel attacked in your server.

del - Today at 3:53 PM Zeb, your ahhm... how to say

Zeb---- Today at 3:53 PM whether or not you agree is irrelevant

del - Today at 3:53 PM You have too much tolerance for bullshit I dont.

Zeb---- Today at 3:54 PM and you have no tolerance for pretty much anything. I have seen it.

del - Today at 3:54 PM Not correct

Zeb---- Today at 3:54 PM like, you wont tolerate people running ahead in dungeons? or saying the B-word? or any other normal thing?

del - Today at 3:54 PM If I didnt have tolerance I would be swinging ban-hammer, isntead of letting thigns slip or simply trying to warn and inform people.

Zeb---- Today at 3:54 PM not necessarily. you dont have to get extreme to have no tolerance

del - Today at 3:55 PM People have been using that word with me in chat so many times. I let it slip numerous times, even after I waited patiently after I warned them. I didnt cut people's tongue for using it. I laughed and thanked for their udnerstanding.

Zeb---- Today at 3:55 PM you get on their case every time, so they say sorry. how agressive you are changes, but generally its the same.

del - Today at 3:56 PM I get irritated when peopel dont follow each other, because many people have connection and loading issues. They run froward, and then they kick me from groups before I can laod in. So it makes me annoyed and makes me stressed. Thats why I have been playing with friends only. They wait and they know and isntead of being stressed and i can laugh at it

Zeb---- Today at 3:57 PM people dont generally kick you if you are loading in.

del - Today at 3:57 PM they did Zeb

Zeb---- Today at 3:57 PM usually, they run ahead and kill everything, then you get there,

del - Today at 3:57 PM im not lying or making something up

Zeb---- Today at 3:57 PM in raids it might be different. im not saying you are

del - Today at 3:57 PM its not a raid

Zeb---- Today at 3:57 PM like when we first ran AC

del - Today at 3:57 PM its dungeons and fractals look

Zeb---- Today at 3:57 PM you remember?

del - Today at 3:58 PM We are incaplbe of reaching to a point here.

Zeb---- Today at 3:58 PM we are on a tangent. and are in disagreement. our opinions are different.

del - Today at 3:58 PM You keep blaming me on things, on not being tolerant or being agressive, even thought the it has been clear that I always had enoguh tolerance for all of it.

Zeb---- Today at 3:58 PM you dont show it in your writing. at all

del - Today at 3:59 PM And even if I didnt, I tried to make up for it. I get dissapointed over things, when they dont go the way they should.

Zeb---- Today at 3:59 PM everyone does. and we all handle it differently

del - Today at 3:59 PM I handled the best way, but I cannot fix thigns if people are unresponsive and choose to ignore.

Zeb---- Today at 4:00 PM no, a better way would have been to look at the whole picture.

del - Today at 4:00 PM I am not always on people's neck, yelling or whatever you think I am doing. If you find that my voice that raised, and my attitude was agressive, then it had a reason.

Zeb---- Today at 4:01 PM the whole picture was that no one in our chat was confused or lost, we were all having a good time and enjoying ourselves.

del - Today at 4:01 PM Becuase I waited patiently, because I warned, because I ignored, but I saw no change. So I chaged my attitude to make people notice it.

Zeb---- Today at 4:01 PM then you came in, overreacted on our location, and left.

del - Today at 4:01 PM Does it work? Yes, it does.

Zeb---- Today at 4:02 PM it made people leave. people who used to love you,

del - Today at 4:02 PM I didnt overreacted, you guys were the oens overreacted my message to fix this issue. I dont care.

Zeb---- Today at 4:02 PM I disagree.

del - Today at 4:02 PM If people going to love me by stepping on me, then that is not love. That is not mutually healthy relationship.

Zeb---- Today at 4:02 PM they didn't step on you, they were in the wrong channel.

del - Today at 4:02 PM And I am glad they are gone.

Zeb---- Today at 4:03 PM and little errors here and there shouldn't be stepping on.

del - Today at 4:03 PM I would prefer to have very few friends who has common sense and logic then a bunch of so called adults who thrives in no-rules no-guidelines no-working-together mindsets.(edited)

Zeb---- Today at 4:04 PM your logic seems flawed. We all were working together on stuff we were interested in. we were cooperating without needing gratuitous rules and everyone was having fun del - Today at 4:04 PM we all know that doesnt work, at some point it breaks and everyone cries(edited)

Zeb---- Today at 4:05 PM and that point was when you tore into the group. not from something we did. and it can work it does work

del - Today at 4:06 PM Okay. You guys didnt follow the guidelines, you get warned numerous times. Didnt listen. I rised my voice to show my dissapointment. And then made a post to offer all of us a chance to fix this together. Everyone refused and everyone didnt want to be responsbily of their msitakes. And everyone thought I was an easy target. I wasnt. End of story. Im really tired, of repeating myself.

Zeb---- Today at 4:06 PM there were too many guidelines there ye go

del - Today at 4:06 PM I really feel like a robot now. ---- [I quit the server after this.]

Zeb---- Today at 4:09 PM I suppose thats it then. Good luck in your endeavors, you will be missed. ---- [I got blocked after this so I didn’t get to reply and there is no point anyways.]

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