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leportraitducadavre · 3 days

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It's this article even real? I found it hard to believe someone would read the manga or watch the show and decide that Naruto "doesn't need the overdone Sasuke Arc".

First and most importantly, Sasuke singlehandedly moves the entirety of the plot forward, he doesn't have an entire arc dedicated to himself because he's relevant for every single arc the story possesses, and he's the reason key characters behave the way they do; taking away Sasuke's journey to make him a complying tool of the state wipes out the reasoning behind every villain's actions, therefore, it destroys them as well.

It's hilarious how this article exists to take away Sasuke's relevance within the story to give it completely to Naruto, something his fandom has wanted since the very beginning of the manga and that Kishimoto never complied.

In the Naruto series, Sasuke was Naruto's rival in the Hidden Leaf. However, he was training to kill his older brother, Itachi, for wiping out their clan. In time, Sasuke would learn Itachi did what he did to protect Konoha as their Uchiha kin wanted a coup. This enraged Sasuke, who nonetheless vowed to kill Itachi and exact revenge on Konoha.

Okay so, we start awfully, and no surprises there. Sasuke killed Itachi and later on, through Obito, learned about the reasoning behind his brother's actions. It's after this that he vows to bring down those who allowed and encouraged the construction of a system that pushed the Uchiha to rise up against this power dome and forced his brother to murder his entire family.

Regardless of the circumstances, Sasuke hated the fact he had to grow up alone. This is the reason he joined the Akatsuki, formed his own terrorist cell called Taka, and tried to murder Naruto after the wars against Obito and Madara.

No. You cannot use "regardless of the circumstances" when those circumstances are detrimental to his character's actions and the functioning of the system against which he, like other characters throughout the plot, stands. He not only hated having to grow up alone (a consequence of, once again, the genocide carried out BY THE STATE ITSELF through his brother), but also the indiscriminate murder of his relatives, both those who engineered the coup and those who were profiled based on biological conditions over which they had no control.

Also, there was one single war against Obito and Madara that stretched through a couple of days for which he participated in bringing down both of them as his idea of revolution didn't partake in their idea of absolute control of people's minds.

The Naruto movie (and obviously, the sequels) would be better served by doing something unpredictable. The Evil Sasuke arc is overdone, especially since it comes up in the Boruto era. In the latter case, a redeemed Sasuke keeps using it as a lesson to teach Boruto and Kawaki why they should not let rage guide them. Fans don't like being reminded how unnecessary this was in the source material.

Overdone? Did this guy actually watch the anime at least? The entirety of the plot focuses on the system flaws that even the protagonist is "set to change", Sasuke's arc is detrimental to the story as both Naruto and Sasuke observe the same issue from different standpoints, the former wants to keep the system and make gradual changes as not to "bring chaos" and the latter wants its complete destruction as a gradual change only guarantees greater injustices being committed over time until it is "changed".

Take Sasuke off of this equation and there's no reason for Naruto to even go on or have any introspection on the matter of Konoha's political and military system --and I'm being incredibly kind about this as even when Sasuke blatantly exposes it Naruto has a hard time grasping the most basic concepts to rebel against.

Additionally, Sasuke's villain arc would be a lot to condense into live-action, even if it's done over a trilogy. It could be done the way the MCU took 10 years to build the Thanos fight in Avengers: Endgame, but by that time, the story would be stale. Everyone would know what happened. The advantage the MCU had while adapting the source material is that it subverted the lore and crafted an original story. c

Does this author actually know what "adaptation" actually means? Or what it entails? What they seem to want is a reversion of the story as they desire to modify the entirety of the character that is the main plot device within the original product, not an adaptation. Also, what's with the last phrase? How can Sasuke be a loyal rogue? That's a contradiction in itself, is he a rogue of Konoha or is he loyal to Konoha? Pick one -you can't have both.

The advantage of Sasuke being a rebel without defecting from Konoha is that Naruto would have the help needed to fight the big villains of the franchise: the Ōtsutsuki.

Sasuke fought alongside Naruto against Kaguya, bringing the union of former Team 7, without having to compromise his original ideals... did they just... forget?

Kaguya was the first alien who came to Earth, got sealed away, and then tried to return to enslave it. Naruto and Sasuke were reincarnations of her sons (Ashura and Indra, respectively), but the manga and anime didn't spend much time detailing how they would form their clans down the line and the emotional impact Kaguya had fighting her descendants.

Haha, come on, this is clickbait isn't it? Ashura and Indra are not Kaguya's sons, they're her grandchildren that reminded her of her sons, bet your ass this is a Boruto fan that just heard about the original series and wrote whatever this was without eyeing the og manga.

but the manga and anime didn't spend much time detailing how they would form their clans down the line and the emotional impact Kaguya had fighting her descendants.

That's because one of Kaguya's sons went to live on the moon and the other one, Hagoromo, had two sons on Earth (Indra and Ashura) who -as the manga establishes, founded their own clans (Uchiha and Senju respectively) that were at war until Konoha's foundation.

It focused heavily on Sasuke plotting in the shadows, and Naruto forming an army, realizing much later in the story of their link to Kaguya.

What? They learned about their connection to Kaguya through Hagoromo before fighting her, Sasuke also never plotted in the shadows, he blatantly tells them he wants a Revolution and later on decides to kill Naruto as he's his last connection to his past! That's the whole reason they fight!

By switching this up and making lineage a primary and not secondary arc, the movie can dial more into the emotional core: Sasuke and Naruto exploring their family tree and the overall theme of dynasty. Sasuke could learn more about how Indra developed a dark side, which passed down to the Uchiha, while Ashura's light gave way to the Senju and Uzumaki (Naruto's family) clans.

That's incredibly explored throughout the manga. The Senju are the only clan linked canonically to Ashura himself, the Uzumaki obtained Ashura's attention after the Senju disappeared as they were distant relatives.

Also, love the distinction of "Indra developed a dark side which passed down to the Uchiha" and "Ashura's light gave way to the Senju". Hagoromo favored this distinction by granting the totality of his power to one of his sons and expecting the other to be functional to his brother's decisions. If Hagoromo considered that Ashura's position was better than Indra's, why did he not teach his eldest son to make similar decisions? How is it that Indra decided to form a clan and a collective group of people if his idea was to move and gain power alone? How is it that Ashura, the being full of light, decided to fight his brother for power instead of seeking a peaceful solution to work together if what he wanted was power through union? Why did he not question the idea of a single person having the totality of command?

This would allow the movie to not hinge on Naruto and his fate with his Nine-Tailed Demon Fox (Kurama).

This just proves my initial point.

Instead, Sasuke would become a key player by garnering clues as to who Kaguya is. This would also unearth her plan to place everyone in a dream state (via the Infinite Tsukuyomi genjutsu technique) and drain their chakra. In other words, he would be the egotistical brains of the operation, while Naruto functions as the go-lucky muscle.

What's the point of doing all that if this exact thing ends up happening anyway without having to destroy any character's core? Are they serious?

This would not be different from what's been seen with Iron Man and Captain America, and Batman and Superman.

Brain minimized by the same comic story over and over again, what's the point of seeing a dynamic story repeated hundreds of times in different products? Is the main idea of this theme to make audiences like this guy believe that he possesses some kind of intellect because he can predict a plot he has seen thousands of times before?

Such an approach speaks to the legacy of both warriors, which makes them the yin and yang they were meant to be.

Don't believe this fool. Sasuke and Naruto as characters explore the Yin and Yang implications very well as they are, he doesn't seem to understand what this metaphor actually entails.

Such a change fits Sasuke's destiny organically because this is the kind of sleuth he would become in the Boruto era, where he atoned and roamed the lands as a Ranger. This same development felt rushed and left-field in the manga, as he never did that kind of work before.

Making Sasuke a heroic anchor in the Naruto movie also works for the evolution of Team 7. To start with, Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura were all trained by Kakashi, but their story felt disjointed. Naruto was preoccupied with bringing Sasuke home, Sasuke was off seeking Itachi and an army, while Sakura tried to quell the anger in both of them. This took away time from her personal development and detracted from the bigger threat of the aliens. By making the plot so convoluted, fans found it odd the Boruto era would marry Sakura and Sasuke, despite them never being developed as an official romantic couple.

By not splintering the team, Naruto's director, Daniel Destin Cretton, can focus on what made Team 7 work in the first place. Sakura was known to stop arguments and function as the team's mature, responsible leader. Naruto also liked her while she liked Sasuke. Sakura eventually realized she needed to change the views of Konoha and have the village recognize female shinobi more. This worked in the love triangle that allowed Sasuke to develop feelings for Sakura that would pay off down the line. This would also allow Naruto to understand he was meant to lead the Hidden Leaf.

What is removing Sasuke's entire characterization gonna do for the rest of the characters? The author is not saying Sakura realized this canonically, by the way the paragraph goes, what he implies is that she could realize this in the movie. So he’s telling us that Sakura didn’t notice she needed to change Konoha’s views about females because Sasuke wasn’t there to help her or what? It's Sasuke staying that detrimental to her development?

He wants to change everything about the original Team 7 in order to make them fit their Boruto’s characterizations. Hell, I bet he’s a Boruto fan who barely watched the original series, I’ll go as far as to state he used AI to write this garbage.

That also was Tsunade’s ordeal as well. Shikamaru questioned her involvement and was proven wrong when she “consoled” him after Sasuke’s Retrieval Arc and proved herself to be a good Kage. He’s asking something of Sakura that Tsunade already did.

Does he know what character development is? Why should they change everything about the original series to fit better the spin-off? Is the spin-off that it's badly written as it couldn't follow the original's characterizations, not the other way around.

According to his page, Renaldo Matadeen, "author" of this abysmal take, focuses on: As a filmmaker and scriptwriter, Renaldo loves to dissect the nuances of stories, especially narratives involving people of colour, minorities, and the socially-displaced. He believes art is a medium to reflect and provoke, and loves engaging in content that evokes this energy.

So you mean to tell me that Sasuke, a metaphor for the socially displaced people, a survivor of a state-sanctioned genocide, and a revolutionary is somehow better by being stripped of any value inside a story that focused on his struggles, to begin with? That somehow the story would be better if he, a minority, was more complacent with the State that represses him?

#sasuke #sasuke uchiha #pro sasuke #pro uchiha clan #anti naruto fandom #anti boruto

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bimgtt · 5 months

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True Uchiha clan not that bulshite shown in the Boruto series so called fake Uchiha pathetic historically ignorant family( Sakura and Sarada who treat clan crest some sort of ornaments or achievements or trophy to brag about or show off for them without knowing its struggle and past history and how you get to wear it) or how the story tries to revise Uchiha tragedy and the oppression and racism against the Uchiha collectively.

#anti konoha #anti naruto ending #anti itachi #anti naruto uzumaki #pro uchiha #anti sakura #anti ss #pro sasuke uchiha #pro sasuke #anti sasusaku #anti shinobi system #anti sarada #anti boruto #pro uchiha clan #anti tobirama #anti hiruzen #anti danzo #anti kakashi #anti tsunade

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the-real-sasuke-uchiha · 3 months

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Since Madara could control Kyubi, the whole Uchiha clan was under suspicion after Kyubi attacked the village, leading to their segregation and extermination.

Since Hashirama could control all the tailed beasts, force them into babies and distribute them as mass destruction weapons throughout the world, the whole Senju clan was under suspiciHAHAHAHAHAHA, YOU WISHED, MORONS

Oh, the double standard.

#pro Uchiha clan #Anti Konoha #anti Konoha leaders #pro Uchiha

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theuchihalawyer · 2 months

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who do you think is really to blame for the Uchiha genocide?

This is a little messy, sorry.

I blame Konoha government/system. The council along with Danzo, Hiruzen and Tobirama.

The Uchiha clan was opressed, discriminated, they went through a lot of injustice, they were even relocated to a corner of the village because of the "distrust", they faced xenophobia for decades..

Danzo learnt about the coup they were planning because of these reasons, that they couldn't take the discrimination anymore, but instead of looking for a better solution, what does he do? He suggests the extermination of the clan, and what does the council do? They agree. That was not fair, at all, it wasn't properly handled, at all. They ordered a ethnic genocide. Hiruzen, as the Hokage, didn't do anything to change what the Uchiha clan had to go through before the massacre and didn't do anything to stop Danzo either when they agreed to the massacre.

Tobirama never trusted the Uchiha clan, and before his "investigation" (about his so called curse of the hatred, which wouldn't exist without his extremist ideology of the will of the fire), he simply believed the "rumors" he heard about them, he believed they were unpredictable, so he began telling Hashirama to keep them out important matters regarding the village, because they were "dangerous" (in Tobirama point of view, based on rumors)

He saw them as a threat to the village, and so, his system starts the horrible conditions the Uchiha go through. He takes away their possibility to reach political power, he keeps them controlled and under the goverment supervision (Konoha police) and his distrust influences Konoha legacy, and.. then, the genocide happens, because..I repeat, the Uchiha couldn't take the discrimination anymore, the discrimination Tobirama system inflicted upon them, and Tobirama's student decided that the genocide was necessary, not. fair. at. all.

And you just have to read how he speaks about the Uchiha clan when he is summoned by the Edo Tensei, and you'll just understand why the genocide was his fault too.

And I won't get started on Itachi, or Shisui. Itachi didn't even regret what he did. Shisui was just another supporter of the fascist, extremist, and corrupted goverment. His statements about the civil war that the Uchiha would cause by carrying out a revolution were even proven wrong. Their clan wanted a revolution because of everything they went through, but no, Itachi? He followed Konoha orders, and.. doesn't regret a thing, doesn't regret what he did to Sasuke, and also continued believing Sasuke should be a tool to Konoha. The Uchiha were against the system that oppressed them. The system Tobirama left in Konoha legacy. The system Hiruzen and Danzo didn't change.

#anti tobirama #anti danzo #anti will of fire #anti konoha #pro uchiha #pro uchiha clan #anti hiruzen

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neko-uchiha · 5 months

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I love EVERYTHING about this art

One of the rare times when an official art did sasuke and his fam justice

He is looking so cutuiebsjsbsbs...and then we have shishui..sasuke's mama and dad

Even Itachi is looking good here

The uchihaness❤

The real pure Uchiha family with actual uchihas with characteristic uchiha outfits and facial features celebrating their traditional festival (maybe for the last time before konoha destroys it)

#pro sasuke uchiha #pro uchiha #pro uchiha clan #pro sasuke #naruto manga #naruto #mikoto uchiha #fugaku uchiha #shishui uchiha #itachi uchiha

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itsthehiddenleafway · 3 months

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Love symbol of the Uchiha 💖

#naruto #uchiha clan #uchiha itachi #uchiha sasuke #uchiha sakura #sadara uchiha #sasusaku #pro uchiha clan #pro naruto ending #masashi kishimoto #naruto fandom

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adhdnojutsu · 5 months

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Identity wars & the Uchiha

I always wondered why Itachi haters hate him because he committed mass murder, but excuse Sasuke, Obito, and Madara, for doing/attempting the same. I finally managed to put my finger on why exactly this doesn't sit right with me, other than just being plain silly or using trauma or marginalisation as an excuse for just about anything. Look, I'm queer, doesn't mean I get to walk into a roomful of c*s folks and empty my clip.

Itachi weighs human life in absolute numbers. Anti-Itachi, pro-Uchiha fans weigh human life in identities.

To them, each marginalized life is worth a whole busload of non-marginalized lives. They forget that social justice is NOT revenge, ie marginalized people taking the whole cake and leaving the non-marginalized to starve, but to redistribute the cake so NO ONE goes hungry.

To them, anyone in Konoha other than the Uchiha are non-marginalized aka "the oppressor", so their lives carry not even half the weight of an Uchiha's.

Because clearly, when they defend Sasuke's planned mass murder, it's not just "Danzo and the elders", no, these people think "guilt by association" is the new social justice, so everyone "laughing" in Konoha, to use Sasuke's words from his unhinged rant, is guilty and deserving of retaliation, too. There are no "victims" or "innocents" in Konoha unless they have a ping pong bat on their shirts, it seems. Not even babies or elderly. They're all guilty of something only 3 living people are even aware of.

They don't realize they're justifying school shooters. Because yes, the boy was victimized by a handful of bullies and had every right to go after them, but what, pray tell, justifies shooting up the whole school? That's what Sasuke, Obito, and Madara are. Glorified mass shooters. They have righteous beef with an entity or handful of people, and they're happy to take everyone else down with them for sharing the enemy's zip code.

When lumping all Konoha residents/people everywhere in with "the oppressor", these people don't take into account:

-genuine ignorance of the administration's rotten tactics

-if aware, a lack of power to change anything

-repercussions of treason/desertion -rational thought, ie. not criminalizing someone for living in the only place they've ever known

-other forms of marginalisation existing within Konoha, as well as civilians and dissenters -cultural/propaganda impact, ie. drinking the kool

-aid not typically being an act of malice and thus not warranting a death sentence

-limited responsibility for elected leaders: you may not have voted for this leader, or your elected leader may not keep his promises

-various personal and societal struggles not leaving capacity to march for the marginalised; remember Konoha doesn't even pay decorated ninjas enough to have their sick children treated: Mukai Kohinata had to spy for an enemy village to pay his son's hospital bills, and Konoha sent Itachi to kill him for it

-Kage are not democratically elected, making people living under them even LESS responsible for their administration. The Kage administration is a dictatorship, making everyone living under a Kage oppressed and victims. This also adds not-so-voluntary pressure to the "voluntary" decision to serve as a ninja. Imagine saying no to a dictator with a huge standing army of brainwashed child soldiers.

-the public reaction to the genocide. If they hated Itachi that much for it, surely, they could have made good allies to the Uchiha if the latter had EVER bothered to share their concerns rather than simmer in silence!!

All they see is "Uchihas oppressed, so everyone else bad". So they don't mind that Sasuke or Madara or Obito kill a bunch of innocent and marginalized people along with "the oppressor". Collective punishment, guilt by association, all those things I thought we all agreed are ALWAYS bad, are suddenly excusable if committed in the name of justice (revenge) rather than power.

Itachi "looks bad" because he only killed oppressed people, under orders from the oppressor. Itachi haters don't even take into account that he did so in tears and hating his commander and only obeying because of the many INNOCENT lives he thought were at stake - many more than those 60 or so Uchihas. He didn't kill the clan "for the oppressor" (a government), he, from his POV, killed the clan for the people who didn't ask to live under this, or any government - after all, there is no opting out of "enabling injustice through citizenship" no matter where you go, so why fault anyone for existing where they do?

Is all of Konoha really "the oppressor" because of those 4 old people? Where could Konoha residents go in protest where they would not collaborate with some form of oppression, where is that utopia of innocence and justice? Fugaku sure wasn't gonna build it, since he would have to establish a new iron fist rule to keep people in line after *checks notes* kidnapping a leader who only ever showed them a loving face.

"Guilt by association" is not how to advocate for social justice. Not in the Narutoverse, not IRL. You just turn the aggressor-victim dynamic around, not eradicating oppression.

#itachi #naruto #itachi uchiha #itachi naruto #uchiha itachi #uchiha clan #uchiha massacre #uchiha #obito #madara #anti itachi #pro uchiha clan #anti konoha

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lira456 · 7 months

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sasuke shinden star pupil

what jun easaka thinking without no indication of clan other members especially children and babies but she did mention in naruto retsuden that sasuke took sakura and sarada to uchiha clan graveyard, but here how vaguely she tried to put it, in canon sasuke did admit he can forgive itachi not konoha especially he held hokage responsible for the damage to his clan, then how can easaka just refuted any indication of other uchiha clan members lives being sacrificed and how they were treated, this sasuke is oof, sasuke forgotten about his clan's sacrifice? and easily agree what his brother did was right? but sasuke was talking about in end punishing culprits and judged and how he is only member of the clan, now that sacrifice is okay as long it's for village sake, sasuke would never sacrificed children for village, this is not canon sasuke, what the hack easka itachi did only sacrificed himself but many children as young as 3 to 4 who has no knowledge of coup( itachi shinden),

Isn't it morally questionable to portray a mass murderer in positive light without not mention of how his clan was butchered narratively? Also why shouldn't new generation feel remorse about dirty past of the village and know the whole truth, that's how naruto came to understand sasuke after knowing the dirty past of the village then why should not next generation and otherwise they would glorify a imperial japan like figures hiruzen and tobirama and hashirama, would follow another cycle of hatred in the name of the village

new generation getting taught only the bright not the dark side, that's why orchimaru can exploit mitsuki like children bc he is great importance to konoha similar to usa used imperal japan genocidal doctor and nazi's ngel of death for their own benefit, then there konohamaru manipulated team 7 to do hard b rank which would death by telling gaara's b rank mission but not telling the whole truth how gaara was forced by his father and village authority to do using a monster since his birth so much teaching for younger generation!

so sasuke agreed that war that madara obito created was not in vain lol then madara and obito did not do any wrong by sacrificing so many shinobi life!!!!! they are hero, that's make shinobi villages hypocrites but yet there is 5th shinobi war at the door in shikimaru shinden novel!!!! yea itachi did that by committing genocide he did not really passed anything what he passed was a fascist belief of WOF

Canon Sasuke would never something like he felt satisfaction that that everything his brother kept safe without indicating his clan or his parents sacrifice and how Konoha wronged them plus in shinden sunrise novel sasuke admitted that uchiha was discriminated:

and he said the hopeful heart like naruto only connected him to konoha, ssuke care about peace of the shinobi world not konoha not about passing this to next generation, sasuke never agreed with konoha's method regarding itachi then how can he bluntly prasing without mentioning uchiha's injustice and konoha's dark side, how awful it was and how they conned itachi to do dirty bid, esaka did not canon manga other novels with overlooking many issues conneted to itachi and sasuke which shaped who sasuke is today, even boruto manga has dignity to tell future should be better meaning not how past was but the way easka openly showing itachi's method was great without uchiha clan's mention or konoha's dark past seems she ignored many parts of the history even shikimaru shinden remembered dirty past of the village how itachi used as sacrifice for vilage and wrong, here esaka very proud of it? without giving many viewpoints from sasuke's side, she is indirectly supporting genocide narratively! so apparently genocide and discrimination is good for the sake of the village and authority LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BONUS: SASUKE SHINDEN SUNRISE:

Here is difference bc before village creation ninja were hired to do various kinds of works bc that's how they survived bc it's their job and trained like it as life mission even die for it uchiha senju killed each other children but the uchiha persecution was horrible bc they were cofounder clan of the village, they also lost their lives for the village in the wars and calling it home and they have every right to be free like other clan but they did not treated equally and betrayed again and again by the 2nd hokage, hiruzen, hashirama, danzo and even by their own kin itachi and shisui when they were innocent, what uchiha did to chinoike was normal bc it was warring state period where killing children was normal which why village was created so that children don't need to die yet tsunade's brother nawaki and uchiha children had to die, after village creation all clans formed their own village there every clan should be safe and treated equally, really author sucks by having analogy like that with ignoring how konoha authority get unpunished for the persecution and genocide of the Uchiha clan, author tried to make sasuke feels guilty for what uchiha did to chinoike which was mission as it happened before village creation but konoha was uchiha's home so persecution to their own people is unjustified that's why naruto never reveals the whole truth, analogy here should be:

Uchiha harmed chinoike as a ninja mission how Konoha harmed amegakure for ninja missions being provided by land of fire daimyo but konoha persecuted and harmed uchiha were evil and unjustified as uchiha were comrades and loyal clan who fought for konoha in great shinobi wars and protected the village even with being persecuted

#anti naruto ending #anti naruto uzumaki #anti naruto #anti hashirama #anti hiruzen #anti konoha #anti shinobi system #pro sasuke uchiha #pro uchiha #pro uchiha clan #pro sasuke #anti tobirama

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