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kameliabronx · 2 years

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Orodreth’s sons

According to the drafts, Orodreth had two more sons: the younger Orodlin and the elder either Halmir or Haldir (they are mentioned in different, but I conclude that they are the same character). This is a collection of headcanons that I have appeared in the last three days.

I think that when Orodreth had three children, he and his wife went crazy, because Finduilas is a typical Third house in appearance and disposition and most of all looks like uncle Finrod, Halmir is more and more drawn to Noldo and his mother from Sindar, and Orodlin is the most calm and soft, something from the Arafinve and Artaresto breed.

Halmir could be a potential heir and warlord, and Orodlin was an adviser. headcanon: what the youngest was able to survive, because there is zero information about him except for his name.

Halmir bonked Orodlin with a shovel - hysterics for half an hour and from both sides. because the drama queen is a family thing for Finwions. Halmir looks like his dad, everyone thought he would grow up the same, but by the age of 20 he had already overtaken his father by half a head and shoulders too. And Orod the dark-haired sun went to his mother, thin as a pine tree. Halmir was fighting with the feanorings, he had heard enough from Uncle Angarato that the First House should be driven with a filthy broom. Halmir almost left with Finrod, he had a big fight with his father. Orodlin then went to reconcile them. Halmir literally I don't respect Beren! Feanorians, and fuck you clap, I don't respect you either! they are like the sound from the Russian tiktok I'm a darling, I'm an angel, that's what everyone calls me - Orodlin Rails, sleepers, bricks, a stream of urine is flying at you - Finduilas I killed 18 people quickly and without regret - Halmir ✨if something happens to my father, then you will be responsible for it✨ Orodlin the snake he has rings with poisons. oh my God Finduilas was pulling apart the little Haldir and Orodlin by their ears.

She wanted to go for a walk with Gwindor, and mom and dad say: well, take the little ones with you fuck if Halmir died here in these 5-8 years that the feanorings lived in Nargothrond, then they could put pressure on Orodreth with this and because of this he was silent when Beren came and Celegorm and Curufin were the first to find Halmir's body when they went hunting ☠️

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sigaldry-of-thu · 2 years

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Erien and Finbor are actually just Haldir and Orodlin in disguise.

Finrod: “Your oaths of faith you may break, but I must hold my bond!”

Orodreth: “So, does that come with a curse, or.....?”

Finrod: “yeah fingon’s gonna steal all your kids lol”

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jaybeeart-vardathebeloved · 6 years

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Orodreth, Haldir, Orodlin & Finduilas

in Nargothrond?

@sindefara

#Orodreth #Haldir #Orodling #Finduilas #nargothrond #noldor #elves #sketch #fanart #The Silmarillion #Tolkien #sindefara

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sigaldry-of-thu · 2 years

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“they heard a horn that hooted afar, and baying dogs. It was Beleg the hunter, who farthest fared of his folk abroad ahunting by hill and hollow valley, who cared not for concourse and commerce of men. He was great of growth and goodly-limbed, but lithe of girth, and lightly on the ground his footsteps fell as he fared towards them, all garbed in grey and green and brown— a son of the wilderness who wist no sire."

― Túrin Son of Húrin & Glórund the Dragon, vv.196-200

The first named he knows is Rhauion, “son of the wilderness”. It is the name they give to all male fosterlings rescued from the woods. He’s not the only one, in this land of endless war.

The King sees him, and pities him. He takes the child as his own, and he has great friendship with the King’s daughter.

The King gives him a new name: Finwain. His sister is called Erien, and there’s also his brother Finbor. Plot twist, you thought I was talking about Beleg. Nope, it’s Gil-Galad son of Plothole time!

Finwain means “Youth of Finwë”, perhaps implying that he’s the youngest of the third generation? Maybe he just had a babyface idk.

Fingon, of course, as we all known, is gay. So Gil-Galad needs two father-names!

Finellach has been glossed as “flame of hair and eye”, but fuck David Salo. This is because some earlier forms were “Finhenlach” and “Finlachen”, where “hen” means eye. Yeah, no, that’s dumb and I’m making my own better-sounding etymology. How about “Flame-eyed Finwë”? For his bright eyes? Now that’s two Fingolfinions named for their piercing eyes. Let’s say Finellach was the altered form of this after someone compared his eyes to stars, or he liked looking at stars, or someone said he looked like Elwë, etc. “Star-flame Finwë” sounds way better than “flame of hair and eye”.

Of course, as per NoME, he receives the epessë Gil-Galad, or “Star-radiance”, for the brightness of his armour and hair. If you hc him with a different hair colour, you can just have him dye it after he receives the name for the Aesthetic(tm).

There is great mythical weight attached to being named multiple times, and it is not unprecedented in the Legendarium (c.f. “Elessar” and “Tinuviël”), so let’s combine this with the version where “Gil-Galad” is his mother name.

Which brings us to his biological parents, Orodreth and Merillë.

They have two sons: Haldir Oroddarth; and Orodlin. After them, they had paternal twins, whom Orodreth named “Findor” and “Findóriël”, and Merillë named “Gil-Galad” and “Finduilas”, Starlight and The Spring Leaf of the House of Finwë.

Merillë was travelling one day near Hithlum. She was with her sons, and was waylaid by Orcs. The three of them perish, but Gil-Galad is hidden away by his mother, and later found by Fingon’s forces.

Side note: If you want to keep Gil-Galad’s actual biological parentage a secret: well, you’d have to either ignore LaCE or really go in-depth with a discussion on what it means to follow and break the laws. C.f. my other Orodreth-and-Merillë-as-parents-of-Gil-Galad post, which was made after this one (this is a repost from my old, defunct, blog) or my post about Maedhros and Fingon’s vaildity as a couple.

When Fingon sends him away after the Bragollach, he stops off at Nargothrond on the way to the Havens. There he, still not yet at his majority (perhaps he gets the epessë here, as an adult?), is fostered by Finrod rather than Círdan, as was planned.

He falls in love with the Hidden Kingdom, and calls the King there his father. As a token of their love, Finrod gives him a name after the fashion of the Golden House of Finarfin: Findaráto, Angaráto, Ambaráto, Artanis, Artaresto Artaher, Artacarma, Artalinya Artalemya; Artanáro, Rodnor, the Noble Flame.

It is here that he learns of his biological parentage. Or, perhaps to be more tragic, he only learns of it in the Second Age: he had lived with his biological family for years without knowing, only considering them close friends. Alas! for the time that could have been, that he was so close to belonging.

But no. He loses his fathers one by one, to the Enemy, and to themselves.

He obviously doesn’t go with Gwindor’s Company, nor with Finrod’s Companions, so he does not see two of his fathers die. He could see Fingon’s death, if he did finally go to the Havens (and if you still want him closer to Círdan), but that means he’s not in Nargothrond for Orodreth’s.

Either way, he sees two of his fathers die in flames, or one in flames at the dark end of despair and the other broken and defeated and alone utterly, his crown hewn and his banner drowned in the mire of his blood.

If we want to be really tragic, have him resent Orodreth for not sending aid to Fingon and Finrod, thus having him hate his actual father for “killing” the ones he actual thought of as his dads when he finds out.

He never thinks of Finduilas as close kin, a sister of his house, for all that he calls her uncle a father. Erien was his sister, who was taken to death by the Hand of the Dark One in flames.

Finduilas can’t see him as her brother either. Haldir and Orodlin died alone, strung from a tree in agony. How can she call another her brother again, and yet not besmirch their memory?

When Túrin comes, preaching to Nargothrond to go to war openly, Gil-Galad cannot bear Orodreth to stay hidden in caves.

It is now that Orodreth sees his son before him, arrayed in bright mail, his hair shining with silver ribbons, with gems set upon his shield and girt with keen lance and longsword. He names him anew Starlight, knowing in his heart the name Merillë gave to him as she died.

But he does not tell him that he is his father.

No, he only reveals it as he lays dying, delivered from dragon-fire. Gil-Galad had borne him away from Tumhalad, and let him down upon the grass.

He whispers in his ear, “Átulë yondyonya! Ánatyë elen estelo tiën, Ñaltatinwëo.”

The Last King of Nargothrond, a proud lord of the House of Finarfin, passes in his son’s arms.

Gil-Galad leads the refugees of Nargothrond (the ones that weren’t captured, at least) to the Havens of Sirion.

At the last, he used the name he got for having many fathers. Círdan gave it to him, perhaps, or someone else, if you prefer. It is that name that he uses before the Dark Lord above all the others.

“I am Rodnor Finwain Finellach Findor dark'ness dementia raven Gil-Galad, Kingsson, and you, O Abhorred One, thrice-accurséd, shall bring no longer any harm to my people or my kin.”

The last name he knows is “Ereinion”, Scion of Kings. He shines alone like a star in the night in that land of endless war.

“Gil-galad was an Elven-king. Of him the harpers sadly sing; the last whose realm was fair and free between the Mountains and the Sea.

...

But long ago he rode away, and where he dwelleth none can say; for into darkness fell his star in Mordor where the shadows are.”

― The Lay of The Fall of Gil-Galad

#tolkien #silmarillion #draft spelunking #gil-galad #fingon #erien #orodreth #maedhros #merille #finrod #cirdan #gil-galad son of plothole #gil-galad russingonion #russingon #finduilas #haldir #orodlin

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sigaldry-of-thu · 2 years

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So: Orodreth and Meril were “beloved of Finrod”, yes?

And both Orodreth and Finrod are potential fathers of Gil-Galad?

At one point, Tolkien considered the idea that Celeborn had Amroth as a son from a previous wife to Galadriel, who abandoned him. Apparently he allowed, at this point, for Elves to remarry if their still-living spouse left them. Even without this, there is still the question of what actually happens if an extramarital affair occurs.

In the note on the words yer- and mel-, Tolkien states that sexual desire outside of marriage and without the desire for children only occurred among the uncorrupted. What, exactly, is the word “uncorrupted” referring to? Surely not only the Thralls of Angband? And, were not all the Elves of Cuiviénen under the shadow of Morgoth, and do not all peoples that have bodies have the Marring as a share in their being? What does it mean to be corrupted here?

To do evil deeds? It seems overly quaint and simple for doing evil deeds to automatically render one subject to ills alien to your kind. In Catholicism, it was Original Sin, not personal sin, that lead Man to suffer the loss of “preternatural gifts of integrity” (65th infallible dogma). No Elves ever rebelled against Ilúvatar, nor worshipped Morgoth or Sauron as God. All “sins” that we can speak of, then, for Elves, were personal sins, leaving no indelible stain upon the soul and therefore not denying them the sanctifying grace required for the Beatific Vision (or, in Tolkien’s terms rather than the Church’s terms, they still had an undefiled sense of órë).

The Sacraments of the Church leave an indelible character on the soul that is irrelevant of the inherent goodness or will of either the receiver or the minister. Yet their tangible effects can be suppressed by the character of the receiver. Relevant to the above, the Sacrament of Baptism removes the state of Original Sin and restores sanctifying grace, yet the aforementioned “preternatural integrity” experienced by the Elves is but an effect of the Baptism, and can be not acted upon if the Baptised person chooses to personally sin. We can form thusly: the Elves are like Baptised persons, or the unfallen Man, in that they have that preternatural integrity but can still choose to sin.

Of course, in Catholic doctrine, the Elves live before the Incarnation, so the laws of a Natural Marriage apply, not those of the Sacrament of Matrimony. But Tolkien wanted his perfect people to naturally partake in the full life of a member of the Church, as if they lived under the rules of the Sacraments. That can be their ideal, and their natural state, but that does not make it impossible for them to not live up to this standard, and, not having Absolution, or even any sort of punishment after death, they have no real reason to adhere to these principles. From the Catholic perspective, they are generally noble people who try to follow a virtuous life and foster a relationship with the Divine. Those people, generally, are considered to saved if they did not hear the Church’s teachings (which the Elves obviously didn’t, having lived before it existed). Someone living before the Incarnation is not considered unvirtuous for following “natural law” rather than Sacramental life.

So then, the matter of Gil-Galad’s father:

In one draft, a Son of Fëanor. In others, Finrod, In another, Fingon. In the last, Orodreth.

The Lady Meril, a Sinda and granddaughter of Ingwion, is said to be either the wife of Finrod, who was engaged to Amárië, or the wife of Orodreth.

Orodreth’s sons, Haldir and Orodlin, were killed a little before, or during, the Dagor Bragollach. Orodreth failed to defend Minas Tirith. Could the deaths of her sons led to strife between the couple? Did she merely cheat on Orodreth?

I’m not writing a fic about it now, so I consider it irrelevant to the current matter. It still stands that there was confusion. Meril, for whatever reason, must then leave Nargothrond for the rest of the current schema. In one draft Finrod orders Orodreth to send “his wife” away, and whose wife is not specified. She is said to be of the people of Eglarest. Perhaps she journeys north to meet with her Northern Sindarin kin? She would still have some kin there, in Hithlum, rather than all of them be in the Falas. Anyway, she must then meet Fingon.

Fingon is gay. Obviously.

They have the preceding talk, sans explicit mention of Christianity. What does it mean to be marred? Is it a transgression to be judged? An ailment to be cured? Another part of life, the Grand Pattern, to be taken up beyond the dark designs of Morgoth from which it arose? He comforts her, evidently. Whatever Tolkien would’ve written on the subject I’m sure would’ve come to some displeasing conclusions.

In writing the hypothetical Athrabeth Meril ah Fingon, I don’t want to imply that he was unfaithful to Maedhros or anything. But there are two conflicting impulses here: Gil-Galad as potentially the biological child of Fingon and/or Maedhros, preserving the 3 possible dads thing and either of those being the stated parentage at one point; and not wanting to put strain on the Russingon relationship, or give a heterosexual pairing to a very gay-coded character. There are three solutions: either have one of them agree to make a child with Meril and raise it as their own; abandon the possibility of either of them as biological father, or; have one of them be transmasc and bear the child (this one, while it has appeal, doesn’t work with an in-universe dad mystery). The second could have Meril die before reaching them, where they find baby Gil-Galad in the woods.

The last one doesn’t work very well if we want to have the above conversation. Of course, the actual Athrabeth has its share of anachronisms to foster the conversation— perhaps the text merely exists in a world where Meril actually did die before reaching Fingon, and the context of the work is merely an historical convention for conveying the in-universe author’s ideas (much like how a lot of Plato’s works are structured as dialectics starring Socrates, despite the latter never being involved in them).

It is, however, the approach I took in my bullet-point fic post about the matter. The first works well if you want a 4th Age Mamma Mia-type scenario: because c’mon, his mother is literally named Meril, this AU is gold. The problem with that, of course, is that Gil is way too ace to get married. Personally, I think of his relationship with Tindómiel (yes, the one you’re thinking of) as being QPPs, sooo.....??

Going with either the first or the second option, Gil-Galad grows up with Erien as his sister and Maedhros and Fingon as their dads. Gil-Galad, in the published Silmarillion, is sent away to the Havens after the Dagor Bragollach, so for the following to work Haldir and Orodlin probably have to die before that.

Because I love angst, let’s have Fingon lose his young daughter at the same time his dad commits suicide-by-dark-lord!

Fearing for his young son’s safety, Fingon sends him away to the Havens.

He stops by Nargothrond on the way, and meets Finrod, whom he adores. He is still young by this point, perhaps a biological age (whatever the fuck that would be in actual years. I am not sorting that out) of six or so. Young enough for Finrod and him to bond sufficiently. Father count: 3. I don’t think he was particularly close to Orodreth.

Of course, he only has him for eleven years. I would like, for the following scenario, for Gil-Galad to be an angsty teen, so let’s for a minute go with a one-to-one ageing scheme in growth years and push back his arrival in Nargothrond to perhaps age 4.

Before he leaves, Finrod confesses to his son for the last that he loves him, that he always wanted a son, that he wished, before he died, to sire and foster one, perhaps with his old lover Meril whom he was forced to order Orodreth to send away...

Wait, WHAT?

On the eve of his adopted father’s death, he finds out that he may be his actual father. And he can do nothing to stop from losing him.

“Faithless ye are, O steward of my Father’s crown! Ye send my mother and father out into the north, to the tower ye lost by your cowardice, unto their deaths!”

“Bold of you to speak of faithlessness, for the mother of which ye speak was wedded to me, and not to the one ye name father!”

“Ye are not my brothers so proud and valiant, cut down by the fell blades of the Orcs and pinned to a tree by their arrows”

“And ye are not my sister so bright and noble, burned by the Hand of the Dark One in the Winter of Flame”

And when Orodreth does not send aid to Fingon? When Gil-Galad is trapped in a cave, hiding like a mole, while his sire sends his valiant, fearless fathers to their deaths?

“The King ever sendeth away my fathers. I await the day when he will sendeth himself to die.”

“He sent my father away too, though I rue it not. Thou seemest to have an abundance of fathers, Gil, and I find myself without one. Care to share?”

“I believe a certain entirely-unrelated-to-us elf said it best about my sire that he was a dullard slow”

“Oh! The impropriety! To say such about the one who sired you? Have thee no decency? Such disrespect! WHO WOULD EVER DO SUCH A THING?”

“Very funny, Tyelpë”

So when a brave and valiant warrior comes to the city, speaking of open warfare and imploring to abandon stealth, how could he not grow to love him?

As I said, Gil-Galad just gives off ace vibes to me. Many people headcanon him as being on the a-spectrum, and I want to keep that. He could just be alloromantic, or it could be that whatever “relationships” he has are Queerplatonic. damn first narvi and now turin and gil-galad. all of celebrimbor’s crushes are ace/aro rip

His counsels his King to listen, and ride out to war.

“Ever have I always sought to keep my people hidden. And yet, indeed do I rue the day I took to hiding rather than the sword. For those I hold dearest in the world rode out themselves, and were slaughtered alone and without the love of their kin. I could have fenced Finrod, my wife, my father, my mother, my sons, from their cruel deaths, and I chose to live in safety. I... I can hide no longer. I am sorry that I ever kept thee from shielding them whomst thou lovest.”

“Thou loved them also. I was but a child, hot with action and low in skill. To send me off would be but to slay another son of thine. I... I love thee, Atarinya.

It was not mere foolishness, not the action of the curse, that made Nargothrond ride out to Tumhalad. The curse worked with what it had, twisting the love of its people to their violent deaths.

And Gil-Galad lost again his father whom he loved.

And his personal lovers? Túrin takes his own life in despair, and Celebrimbor is twice betrayed by others he loves, then killed in agony, alone.

Maedhros, his last father left, destroys himself, falling further and further into loathing, destruction, and despair. He takes his own life, after everything lost for the gems, casting himself into a chasm of fire.

It is at last, having lost all whom he held dear to him, that he faces the Dark, and slays it, and dies by it. He dies in fire, and agony, all to bring down the dark. Yet Sauron’s power was not brought down.

“I take this as weregild for my father and my brothers”

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