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marvelandponder · 7 years

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Lore Galore

Comic books are weird, huh? Due to the nature of the industry, often times the big distributors will have crossover events with huge ramifications on stories and characters for the purpose of attracting readership. Not the sole purpose, but in the same way MLP is one giant toy commercial, if you wanted, you could boil it down to the business behind the stories.

In a way, that’s what Campfire Tales is: a crossover event. One of many to come, as there are 3 more stories left to tell and apparently, a tie-in with the season finale, Shadow Play Parts 1 and 2.

As someone who’s studied a bit of business and as a writer, it’s something I have to appreciate. Smart business tactics that allow for the telling of new kinds of stories.

We all know what it feels like we’re just watching a gimicky commercial. But when creatives are allowed to build a story out of a business opportunity, well, it can turn out to be amazing. Just look at the show as a whole!

I brought that up because you’re not going to think of this episode as a way to sell comics (or toys) at all when you watch it, and that’s kickass. Instead, you’re going to think of it as an excuse for the comic staff and the show staff alike to create their own mythology.

Does that mythology have as much impact as it could? Not necessarily. But it’s actually not because it’s a tie-in to the comics.

I imagine a great number of you haven’t been able to keep up with the Legends of Magic comic series, and thus, are worried you might be missing something that’s hindering your enjoyment of these stories.

For one @drwolf001 is physically unable to follow them due to headaches caused by reading. So, I can imagine he and those of us who can’t afford to buy the comics might think they needed to read them to get the most out of this episode.

I can assure you, that’s not the case.

Essentially what each issue of Legends of Magic has done is tell a story that takes place after the stories we see here.

So far, that includes a story about Rockhoof after he joins the prestigious Helm, Mistmane on one of her travels beautifying Equestria, and Flash Magnus on another legion adventure in Griffon territory with the Titus in tow. As well, the series began with a story about young Luna and Celesita, and Starswirl’s guiding them through a fight, presumably after the origin story we still have yet to receive for him (PLEASE give us a Starswirl origin story. Or just the origin story of how he chose Luna and Celestia as his students).

By telling stories that take place afterward, they totally dodge the issue of fans needing to buy the comics to understand the stories presented in-episode (and so far, I had been greatly enjoying the stories of the comics, even without the context of these original legends that these characters supposed to be known for in-universe).

With that said, why does it feel to some that this is still lacking if it’s not due to a lack of information presented? And why do some of us not feel that lack?

Well, I’d say this: 1. The narration gets in the way, and 2. If you were already attached because of the comics, it won’t bother you. Plus, there are aspects that are done really well.

The narration thing doesn’t seem like it would be an issue until you watch back Rockhoof’s legend, and realize none of the characters have a single line of dialogue that isn’t laughing.

That would be fine if it were told all visually, but Applejack’s narrating throughout the whole legend.

Now, in an anthology episode, you don’t have a lot of time to spare. But as a Simpsons fan whose seen a great number of Treehouse of Horror and other anthology episodes, I know they can still be very effective and suck you in despite the short time these stories have to be told in.

So that’s really the key: sucking you in. And having Applejack’s narration throughout the story prevents us from fully breathing in the gorgeous atmosphere and connecting with these characters themselves. We’re constantly reminded that this is a story within a story.

Like, okay, just for example, wouldn’t it have been more effective and impactful to hear the emotional townsfolk decide to stay and be burnt alive like the people of Pompeii (not that the people of Pompeii chose to stay)?

Even if we don’t have a lot of time, if the performance is emotional enough and atmosphere is heavy enough, you could have a really subtly dark moment that instantly grabs you and convinces you how grave this situation is.

The more specific they get, the better. Not just, “I’ve lived here my whole life,” but “my father’s farm is here. My grandfather before him, and me before my son. I don’t know how to leave.”

It would really make you root for Rockhoof and understand what he’s going through if we could’ve heard from him.

Also: I’ve seen complaints about him getting buff instantly via magic (talk about zero to hero in no time flat), but that’s in the spirit of mythology. It’s often based more on the emotional arc of the characters than the logic of how that magic would actually work. So, I think if we had connected with him more, we would’ve been more willing to buy the emotion of that scene: the desperation yet determination that had him digging so furiously he grew muscles thanks to the magic in his shovel.

Can I also just stop to say I love all these myths?

I think they could’ve been done better to have amazing impact, honestly, because the stories themselves are so classical in nature. Man vs. nature, a jealous empress hoarding beauty, a brave soldier who had to outsmart his gargantuan foes!

I’m a bit of a history nerd, and have loved mythology for quite a while, and these are honestly some really well thought out myths. Again, not in the sense that it makes sense that Rockhoof would get suddenly buff or that Mistmane could physically trade her beauty to fix the dying plants in town, but they touch on a lot of themes and tropes classic myths actually did!

And honestly, the only reason I’m hard on this episode at all is because I can see just how much work went into it and how gorgeous it actually is. Did you see the detail they put into each of these three cultures? The settings that were so beautiful rendered by the artists? Did you hear that William Anderson scored each one to sound different and appropriate to the culture they were based on?

I personally had a pretty good time with this episode, but I honestly think it could’ve been phenomenal! Yet another breath-taking entry into mid-season 7!

Again, for me, I want to make it clear that this is by no means an episode-ruining flaw, it’s more that it’s already good and could’ve been fantastic. I want to make that clear because I really liked this one and think it deserves props all the same.

So, yes, it isn’t necessarily a problem of the comics or even run-time, but they needed to be clear with their emotions (not to mention succinct).

There were performances that actually did start to sell it, though (which, again, is why I wanted more). The pony explaining what Sable did to the village didn’t just exposit the information, you could hear how morose and beaten down he was. To me, he felt like a real character whose been living under this unfair ruler for years.

And Cathy Wesluck did a pretty great job with Mistmane, as well, and from what I can tell, hers is the most popular story because of it. And again, you can argue jealousy is a weak motivation for a villain, but myths are based in emotion, and I think for what little time we spent with Sable, she also sold that bitterness pretty damn well.

Flash Magnus’s commander gave another great performance while giving Flash the Titus (and honestly, Flash did, too; even though the Titus is just another Magical Item, the awed way he held it when he got it actually made me a little excited for him). You can tell what kind of commander he is, even if you haven’t seen him in the comics, and how important this moment it to him.

And, apart from the myths, the sisters themselves had some cute interactions. Rainbow was especially cocky this episode, and twice acted impulsively despite her hero, Flash Magnus, outsmarting his enemies by thinking through a plan beforehand (I actually thought that’s where they were going with that, that Applejack or Rarity would point out that sure, Rainbow is brave like Flash Magnus, but she doesn’t always think things through like him, and then Dash would have to think of plan to get them out instead of just charging ahead blindly)---but her interactions with Scootaloo saved her from being unlikable, especially when she picked up on how scared Scootaloo was this time (yay! Character development!) and gave her hugs and comfort in front of the others without hesitation.

Now, I think that covers most of the big things for the story, so onto the details!

Details, Thoughts, and Whatnots

Awww! Rarity is growing as a character! Good for her, learning not pack a million bags

Rainbow Dash nearly killed herself eating berries: again, I feel like she should’ve learned to stop acting impulsively

Although, Dashie referring to herself as Scootaloo’s big sister is adorable, so she’s an adorable idiot if nothing else

FLYDERS ARE THE MOST TERRIFYING CONCEPT THE SHOW HAS COME UP WITH EVER END OF STORY

A very small detail I liked: the animators made Applebloom flick her tail to shoo away the bugs, which is a real thing horses do. I just like seeing the ponies be ponies sometimes, it’s cute

Sometimes I forget how good Sweetie’s getting with her magic. Most unicorns tend to only learn levitation and a few other spells related to their cutie marks. Sweetie is actually advanced for her age thanks to her lessons with Twilight

I repeat: Rainbow Dash, you adorable idiot. One minute she’s bragging about herself, the next she’s comforting Scootaloo. And then flying out into a storm of Flyders to grab their firepit. What a cute dummy

I find it adorable that Applejack needs to say that Rockhoof was the son of a farmer. It’s Applebloom who points out that that makes him just like them, but I think the fact that AJ brought it up at all means she likes that fact, too.

Excuse me while I go cry over The Perfect Pear again...

WOW THAT’S A PRETTY NORSE VILLAGE!!! And I love that they’re the type of warriors who laugh with each other when one of them nearly dies (well, fake dies, in practice, but that’s what they’re laughing at, that he would’ve been dead if that had been a real fight)

For those of you wondering, Rockhoof’s cutie mark is a Valknut, a Norse symbol. There’s scholarly debate as to what it’s meant to represent, but some believe it has relation to the god Odin:

“This is thought to symbolize the power of the god to bind and unbind, mentioned in the poems and elsewhere. Odin had the power to lay bonds upon the mind, so that men became helpless in battle, and he could also loosen the tensions of fear and strain by his gifts of battle-madness, intoxication, and inspiration.” (x)

You know what I really like? The outhouses. It’s such a small detail they didn’t need to put in---that Rockhoof dug ditches specifically for outhouses---but they did, and it makes the world feel that much more lived-in and real.

See? The devil is in the details with this episode! They crammed in quite a bit already

RAINBOW DASH YOU ADORABLE CHILD (she’s just as excited as the actual children, and that delights me to no end)

Applebloom has honestly never been more adorable to me as she was when she was excited about Rockhoof’s legend

Speaking of adorable, Rarity is such a sweetheart, comforting her sister when she’s upset. I also just really appreciate the way Tabitha St. Germain says the line “Even these blah rocks aren’t really blah!”

The reference back to A Royal Problem and Twily as a Ballerina tho

This episode lets us see the best side of Rarity, to quite honest. Seeing what she really defines as beauty and what she really values. Excellent execution of the idea that these stories are supposed to match the storyteller.

Which is why letting the townsfolk speak in Rockhoof’s would’ve been best, because you could’ve had the same thing with Applejack, and how she would do anything for her family and her town.

Also: I love that when Mistmane leaves for magic school, you can see Sable Spirit slide out of the crowd. It’s an obvious cue to the audience to pay attention to her, but also not too obvious

Mistmane’s magic school is eastern inspired, and that’s really cool. Now I’m thinking that these curved-horned ponies are the Eastern Unicorns we’ve heard about once or twice

Mage Meadowbrook was an Eastern Unicorn, according to Twilight in the season 5 premiere---which, by the way, is now false: Mage Meadowbrook’s design is an earth pony (Twi did say she hadn’t studied up on her...)---but Twilight says she hasn’t studied her, which I think implies that there are different kinds of magic all over the world, and that Twilight is in fact only a master of Western magic.

GOD, that background score is good. And again: BEAUTIFUL backgrounds, I love this misty mountain village so much

Applebloom giving her friends sass gives me life

I like that Sable Spirit wears a black veil. It’s very clear way to show she’s still insecure about her looks and bitter about it, despite the way Mistmane later openly embracing looking like an old mare

THE DRAGON BATTLE WITH THEIR MAGIC. DUDE. GUYS. GIRLS. NONBINARY PEOPLE. EVERYONE. THAT’S COOL AS HELL!

I wish the room was darker to show off the light, and throw colours onto Mistmane and Sable Spirit, but still, holy crap is that a cool way to show a magic duel

Okay: the background music when Mistmane makes her sacrifice? Absolutely gorgeous. I only wish they let it swell and be louder, it’s so freaking good. I would’ve cried if they did, I kid you not. It reminds me of Kung Fu Panda, which are beautiful composed movies with a basis in Chinese culture---and in those movies, I’ve cried in moments of personal growth and sacrifice because of the gorgeous swelling music. I think I read a comment from someone that said they did cry during Mistmane’s story, and I bet you anything it’s because they heard the background music that accentuates how beautiful that moment is

GOD, the more I watch this episode back for details, the more I love it...

Redemption is magic strikes again!

SCARED SCOOTALOO IS THE SINGLE MOST ADORABLE THING!!! I WANT TO PROTECT HER!!!

The Royal Legion existed before the Wonderbolts were founded, huh? Well, for those of you who need a refresher in Wonderbolts history: The E.U.P. Guard was created after Nightmare Moon was banished to protect Celestia and keep the peace. That means this story takes place at least a thousand years ago, which is important, because Ember’s dad Torch was there, and that, I think for the first time, sorta hints that dragons have long life-spans. Doesn’t quite confirm it, because this is currently still a legend, but still

I love that they’re flying through a storm when the dragons attack, and you can see lightning in the clouds beside them. The settings in this episode are killing it!

Is... is Flash Magnus voiced by the same guy who does Flash Sentry? That’s hilarious and I love that they did that

Consequently, the existence of pegasus legend named Flash Mangus seems to indicate that that might be where Flash Sentry’s parents got his name from.

OR: FLASH SENTRY IS FLASH MAGNUS, AND WAS TRAPPED IN THE CRYSTAL EMPIRE WHEN IT WAS GONE FOR A THOUSAND YEARS ... I swear to god, if that’s true, I’ll laugh so hard that they managed to fix Flash Sentry’s non-character in a single swoop (he’s getting better in EQG, BUT STILL)

And let me be clear, they do seem to be bringing these heroes back for the finale, so my theory will probably be crushed... but then again... it could be confirmed. And I would die happily, having called the coolest twist in MLP history

Again, I REALLY love the use of the storm clouds, when we can only see the shadows of the dragons and Flash when the lightning strikes

Okay, so when Flash smiles smugly and it fades into RD’s same smug smile, it reminds me: I sort of have theory (besides the totally legit Flash is Flash theory) that it’s going to be revealed in the season finale that the Mane 6 are reincarnations of these heroes. They’re all long dead, and would need time travel to get to the future (*cough* STARSWIRL PLEASE SHOW UP *cough*), but wouldn’t it be cool as hell for these legendary ponies to fight alongside their reincarnations/the Mane 6? And yes, I know fans would rather these ponies stay myths, just so this world has fiction and mythology, but there can be a grain of truth in the myths, can’t there?

Also: there’s a joke where Rainbow Dash says she’s just like Flash Magnus, and they all laugh at her. Wouldn’t it be hilarious in hindsight if Rainbow was actually right?

Once again: RD is cuuuute (holding up Scootaloo, hugging her, telling her to be brave, and helping her down the river)

It’s seriously adorable to hear the girls so happy to camp with their sisters

Overall, this episode gets better the more details you really look into, and I only harp on it because it could be seriously amazing (even as it is, I really love it on the third watch through [I do a lot of watch-throughs for reviews]).

I think the experience is made richer if you’ve read the comics, especially because those comics are really good (some of the best MLP comics I’ve read in a long time), but if it didn’t quite land with you, I don’t think that’s the reason.

Season 7 is starting to kick some serious ass, by the way. Counting from A Royal Problem on, we’ve had episodes that range from good, to solid, to utter perfection. That’s 7 great episodes in a row, and next week sounds like it will only continue the trend! The last time we had a streak like this, in my opinion, was season 5.

Let’s see if this legendary streak will continue...

I’ve done other season 7 reviews here and MLP editorials here! Have the last three things I’ve done, to make it convenient for you:

SciTwi vs. Twilight, Fame and Misfortune Review, and Triple Threat Review

Year of the Pony

Special Thanks to Millennial Dan on Deviantart, who made the Microphone vector for the logo!

We Go Where No One Goes... The Jade Palace

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cornerverse-mlp · 7 years

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So I noticed that the rest of the season of MLP has leaked. I haven’t watched them but I’ve seen bits and pieces and I...... I just.......

I’m tired my dudes. I’m done. I have an entire world of headcanons set up in an ongoing continuity of stories and a lot of characters OCs and half OCs(my interpretation of a minor/background character) I’m attached to, but this just kind of tosses it all down the crapper. Like, the only thing I can say it helped was my conspiracy theory about Hearth’s Warming, since Starswirl was supposedly dead/out of this dimension by the time the Hearth’s Warming story happened yet we see him here with a group of friends that aren’t Unicorns. Side note: If they kept to Hearth’s Warming existing, Starswirl probably would’ve been very racist. Like, very very racist. Everything else just killed it.

So, no, I’m not even going to try and merge my headcanons here. They literally cannot be merged. So, while I’ve always said that @cornerverse-mlp is ‘Canon Divergent’, this is the biggest split. It’s more than just adjusting small things like actually utilizing the Elements of Harmony, or adjusting half-given and subject to change lore to say that Flurry isn’t the first naturally born Alicorn because Cadence wasn’t Ascended, or even taking the emptiness of Sombra’s backstory and creating the tragedy of Obsidian, Emerald and Autumn. It’s ‘I have already established a lot of this stuff in stories and/or headcanon posts and it’s vastly different than what the show is now putting out’.

And I like my versions better, for many reasons including attachment to characters and stories. So I’m going to keep them and toss the rest. Because you know what? There’s multiple Universes where things are different, so this is just another one. Even the show has multiple universes. I mean, not only in the whole EQG thing and Starlight’s fuckery with the Timelines, but the fact that the Comics have different events. So I’m just going to make my own Universe officially its own Universe. And like, things that don’t conflict will be the same, but this is just...... ugh. I never thought I’d have to deal with anything solid on Starswirl the Bearded, so I was cool with making headcanons about him.

Okay, to recap: I have my own continuity of stories and headcanons that now exist in their ownUniverse that is Canon Divergent from the show, but as it’s part of it’s own Continuity established before some episodes and not a complete AU that could be summed up in one sentence, it does not need the ‘AU Tag’. That said, I will try to enjoy the show on it’s own terms, but not in terms of trying to merge it with my headcanons, because that’s the only way to do this without feeling like I’ve wasted a fuckton of time and driving me insane trying to fit one of those jumbo kids’ toy puzzle pieces into my 1,000 piece jigsaw.

So, on to the ‘me being salty af’ part of the post, have some ‘headcanons’ about how Starswirl appears/exists in the Cornerverse-MLP Universe.

Starswirl is actually very short. Like, not ridiculously so, but typically Unicorns are shorter than Pegasai or Earth Ponies, so he’s shorter than most of the Mane 6, especially Twilight as she’s giant for a Unicorn

Twilight never actually thought about how tall Starswirl would be, so while she never meets him, the height difference would shock her if she did.

Other than the height thing, his physical appearance is similar to his various looks in the show and comics. Unicorn, gray, curly mane with a fantastic beard. However, his mane had been brown when he was younger, it just turned white as he got old. Also, his eyes have Heterochromia, being two different colors. One is brown, and the other is blue.

There actually exists paintings of him without the beard. He didn’t start growing it until he was in his 20s, so there were a hoofful of years where he either had no beard, or it wasn’t yet in the ‘magnificent’ stage.

While several ponies tried to say he was a dignified Dumbledore-like pony, he wasn’t. He was an absolute dork, had several off-the-wall ideas, and honestly liked fucking with people. The dude’s signature outfit was a hat and cloak festooned with bells that would honestly have a cacophony of noise every time he shifted. You don’t wear an outfit like that without liking to fuck with people.

Okay, I already made the Harry Potter reference, but tbh he’s not Dumbledore. He’s Fred and George. Brilliant as hell but loves fun and mischief. Still, he did some very brilliant things.

Starswirl was part of the first Ponies. They literally popped into existence at the beginning of the world, 2000 some odd years ago. That’s one reason he was so influential. Not that he wasn’t brilliant and would have done amazing things had he been born a few centuries later, but it’s easy to create spells that are still used years later when you’re one of the first Unicorns and someone has to invent anything more complicated than levitation.

He totally had friends. Plenty of them. In fact, he and his closest friends were the brilliant group to craft the Elements of Harmony. Well, the Elements are a naturally occurring thing, but the jewels were crafted to help ponies wield them easier as a conduit, and it was quite a task considering that the raw magic power of the Elements shattered most Gems.

This team also created a Prototype Crystal Heart, but the full version wouldn’t be complete for a few more centuries.

Okay, I have to address the ‘Starswirl is Discord’ theory(even though the show disproved it, but this is Canon Divergent so it could still happen).

Starswirl and Discord have no relation. Well, at least as far as ‘being the same person’. They absolutely knew each other. Very well I might add. No, you know what? Fuck it, I’m not going to be subtle. They were together romantically for a time, a few hundred years before Discord going nuts and being a statue. I guess you could call them ‘exes’, but there wasn’t a concept of marriage or monogamy at the time so the only reason they stopped seeing each other is because Discord is Immortal while Starswirl isn’t. That said, Discord still has a thing for dorky Unicorns and mischievous, off-the-wall weirdos.

As for other Romantic endeavors, again the concept of ‘marriage’ didn’t quite exist yet, but the closest thing to a wife he had was an Earth Pony mare named Frosted Cake that he had two daughters with.

Said daughters are Clover and Smart Cookie, who would eventually be known in the Hearth’s Warming story, but they have pretty much no relation to the story because I have conspiracy theories that are explained elsewhere.

Clover and Smart Cookie were the first ponies to be born normally. Remember what I said about everyone else ‘popping into existence’? Yeah, no parents were involved there. Clover and Smart Cookie were the first to be made by two ponies doing the do. (Clover is technically first, but they were twins).

Starswirl’s encounter with Sirens is not with the same Sirens as the ones in RR. Both trios had similar stories though.

I go into this more in a different headcanon post, but Sirens are usually normal and nice like anything else, but they have a Berserk Mode similar to Dragons. Except Berserk Sirens are 1. more coherent and 2. activated by Desire instead of Greed(Technicalities on what is what)

The Dazzlings had no connection to Starswirl, and all of them are still in their teens, having only been in the Human World for a few years. Celestia sent them there as a last desperate way to possibly break them out of Berserk Mode(since cutting off Magic can stop it), but.... okay this is getting long and is covered elsewhere so I’m stopping here.

The Sirens Starswirl dealt with.... didn’t go to another Dimension. They were Berserk and Dangerous, but I’m debating over whether he managed to calm them back to normal, or if he ended up having to kill them to keep them from harming everyone else(which would absolutely fuck him up btw, but still). Either way, history adjusted the story to “oh, he, uh, ‘sent them away’! Yeah, that’s it! They’re in another dimension!”

Starswirl died about 1,900 years before the events of Season 1. It wasn’t some grand adventure or anything magical. He was just old and had to die eventually. He died happy, probably peacefully in his sleep or something. Idk, I’m not going further into it because if I do I’ll make myself cry.

Editing to add some more:

If diners and jukeboxes existed back in the day, Starswirl and Discord would absolutely have pulled the Salt and Pepper Diner thing.

Starswirl is actually younger than both Celestia and Chrysalis, but older than Discord and Luna.

Starswirl had nothing to do with building the Mirror Portal. It was actually a Time Traveling Flurry Heart creating a way to Anchor herself to her Home Dimension.

Speaking of the mirror portal, squishing the timeline to happen in a Mortal lifespan is a pain in the ass. But Human!Starswirl is also dead, but he died much younger because, again, condensed timeline.He did go to CHS with Celestia, Luna, and Discord, but that was nearly a decade before. They all went to Prom together, where Starswirl wore the Human version of his signature claok and hat.

Human Starswirl and Discord 100% did the Salt and Pepper Diner bit.

#headcanon #Starswirl #Canon Vs Headcanon

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