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accidental-spice · 28 days

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@monthly-challenge 2024 | Day #21: Free Day

Gimme just a little bit of hope

With a smile or a glance, gimme one more chance

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mirai-desu · 2 months

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On the MSATD News

I didn't have time to post a knee-jerk reaction (which those of you from the Downton days know I was apt to do - thank you to all my long term mutuals of my side blog for sticking with me through those days), as I saw the news as I was getting ready to head out for work and it's been… a bit of a day.

Suffice it to say… I am devastated. And my initial reaction was (well after cursing), that it should have ended with S4, but with a different (happier) conclusion. It's called Miss Scarlet AND THE DUKE for a reason. And after all that happened in S4… it really feels like… what was it all for?? Especially if they knew WHEN FILMING THIS?? "Goodbye for now" is NOT "goodbye forever." They really, really really fumbled this.

There's a lot of theories going around, and I will admit it's too hard for me to listen to Stuart's new interview, but going off what other's have said and the parts of the transcript I did manage to read… I just cannot feel like this was actually his decision unless there's something else going on with him (either in his personal life or maybe he has some secret role he's got, because supposedly he hasn't worked since he did ADR on S4). He's been the captain of the ship, and he has always been enthusiastic with discussing the show and had just great insight into playing William. It doesn't feel like he himself was ready to move onto other things (and that's not even how it's worded - some BS about how the show needed it him to be gone for ~longevity~ of the show), like I've seen with other actors are on shows (e.g. Dan Stevens). He still promoted S3 (which came out in the UK after they filmed S4), he still even promoted S4! He was an executive producer for S4!!! Nothing makes sense!

So if it's due to RN… why keep having the other characters say William was only going to be gone a year? Why bother to have the flashback? why bother to have him stay at at Eliza's to recover?? hell I'm surprised they just didn't keep in the coma then--

But really, why even bother to have Eliza write to him? Or have Ivy say what she said to her?? The time apart was supposed to be them looking at their options. They literally foreshadowed him joining Eliza at her agency upon his return. So… what happened?

If it was actually for personal reasons that Stuart left, he has a right to his privacy. But then they should have rewritten S4 to be the end then, since they knew all this time. I can't believe we are getting the full story on this, one way or the other. The more and more I think about it... I do think it was RN's doing though.

Just two nights ago I drafted up a whole meta extolling how one of the best things this show has done has been how they developed William and how he grew as a character. The progression he made as he not only accepted Eliza having a career but encouraging her. His mentorship of Fitzroy. How he came from nothing, from a teenager living on the streets, to become an inspector at Scotland Yard. But they have chosen to toss that all out the window.

Who knows, maybe S5 ends with Eliza deciding to go to New York. But it doesn't seem like they are handling this like Babington's absence in Sanditon. They will make Eliza quickly fall for someone else, and slap fans in the face who have been following their friends to lovers slow burn for five years (because we had to wait for S2 in the first place thanks to the pandemic). And what sucks is that we still got promo saying they are in love with each other. From Stuart, from Kate, from Rachael New herself. We have still gotten promo promoting the romance. Why not have them have a big fight then or something, idk. They gave us hope. And you know what Fellowes says about false hope.

So I'm just supposed to believe that William gives up on Eliza and doesn't return…? No, I cannot. As much as we hated the deaths on DA when they wrote out actors, at least those characters still died in love with their spouses. And while I'd still be foaming at the mouth in anger if they killed him off… yeah.

William's last lines of the show is a flashback including him saying "is it all worth it?" And the answer is… no it's not.

#yeah I'm risking putting this in the tag #miss scarlet and the duke #msatd spoilers #honestly thinking about every damn scene they ever had #WHAT WAS IT ALL FOR #thought of the jewelry store scene and died #also does this make Arabella right? gross.#also I guess Alibi doesn't give a shit about the ratings for the last two episodes left to air in the UK #also I didn't bring up Theo J*mes because he left after S1 and it was different #if they recast William with Ben Lloyd-Hughes I'd take it #(wouldn't be the same but you know)#but don't make him a new character it doesn't work here with William still alive #I'm tired of men going to America #iykyk

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servants-hall · 3 months

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Miss Scarlet & The Duke 4x03

#miss scarlet and the duke #msatd spoilers #msatd s4 #eliza scarlet #william wellington

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mellow-plum · 3 months

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williza - different parallel

#*sigh* finally the kiss(es) we've been waiting four years for.#the ending of episode 4 broke my effing heart #william wellington #eliza scarlet #miss scarlet and the duke #williza #perioddrama #kisses #msatd s4 #msatd spoilers #victorian era

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charmedlifesworld · 2 months

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Me: " the only way that Eliza/Patrick can happen is if William would ever actually leave the show."

Also, Me: " There's no way the writers would actually write him out after the show and them have expressed multiple times how him and Eliza are endgame"

And then the news announcement about the show today reveals season 5 is happening and that William is legit leaving the show.

Me today: " So basically eliza/Patrick's chances of happening HAVE RISEN SO HIGH"

Seriously though, I feel like I'm dreaming. THE SCARNASH SHIPPERS HAVE WON.

#scarnash #eliza x patrick #patrick x eliza #eliza and patrick #patrick and eliza #eliza scarlet #patrick nash #msatd #msatd s4 #msatd spoilers #miss scarlet and the duke spoilers #miss scarlet and the duke

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kanerallels · 3 months

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Okay I can't resist it thoughts on MSATD season four, episode 3 under the cut:

The first scene KILLED ME. Eliza talking to unconscious William and visiting him every day and lying to the nurses and pretending to be his wife so she could get in, and bEGGING HIM TO WAKE UP HELP

The flashbacks were absolutely MASTERFULLY done. The actors for young William and Eliza were INCREDIBLE-- she looked just like a younger Eliza, and sounded like her too!! I wasn't immediately sold on William's actor-- probably the lack of beard threw me off-- but that did NOT last. He sounded so much like him, and he really did a great job of William's expressions and his patented "Good Grief Eliza Why Do You Do This" sigh made MULTIPLE appearances

The S1 E5 reference with "tempus fugit" made me very emotional, as did all of the interactions with William and Henry

OH ALSO WE GOT TO SEE THE PARKERS AGAIN I MISSED THE PARKERS

I will never stop losing my mind over the fact that Eliza fell first but William fell harder

"do you always lie this much?" ENDED ME the way it-- and so many things in this episode-- set up their dynamic as we know them now is just *chef's kiss*

Also I love that Eliza solved the case

But I can also see how it must have felt SO unfair that William gets the job she's always dreamed of, I love and appreciate her for forging her own way

OKAY BUT THE FACT WE GOT THE KISS THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FIRST OF ALL ELIZA. GIRL. THAT WAS IN NO WAYS JUST WILLIAM. SECOND OF ALL it cracked me up that teenage William's only idea for how to stop her from crying was to kiss her. Almost like you've been thinking about kissing her a lot huh

And then the ending scene where he woke up and she was so HAPPY and they were bantering a little and I just. AUGH I AM FEELING SOME EMOTIONS ABOUT THESE TWO OKAY THAT'S ALL FOR NOW

#msatd #miss scarlet and the duke #msatd s4 #msatd spoilers #eliza scarlet #william wellington

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mewmckenna · 2 months

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Miss Scarlet

So, I am sure by now that everyone has seen the news that Stuart Martin will not be returning for season five of MSATD. I know a lot of people are super disappointed that William is leaving the show, as am I, but honestly, I kind of feel that this could be a new opportunity for the show. It is obvious that the writers did not know that Stuart was leaving the show for good as they were writing last season, but with him being gone it makes the ending of season four almost better to me. Eliza is no longer working for Patrick, and while he is coming back and will likely not end up in prison (though who knows), I imagine Eliza won't go back to Nash & Sons. She was finally able to change the sign above her door to say "Miss Eliza Scarlet," something that seemed impossible to her in earlier seasons. Also, while Eliza is certainly fine at working with a few friends, she will never be the kind of manager that Patrick is as she's simply too independent and stubborn. It is for the better that she is at her own agency, able to do her thing without too much interference.

In a roundabout way, I think William's departure kind of brings everything together. Eliza is truly alone, without William or her father. Everything that she does now will be entirely up to her; she has no father or childhood friend to fall back on. I think that this, plus the name of the show changing to be just Miss Scarlet is a kind of bookend to how the show began. The producers and writers of the show have already hinted at this being the start of a shift in direction, and while the story was largely focused on the romance between William and Eliza during the first four seasons, I think that this gives the creators an opportunity to do more. By calling the show Miss Scarlet and the Duke, they were limited in what they could write. I know I have seen many people comment on how the show seemed to drag because of the drawn out will-they-won't-they between Eliza and William, something I noticed myself after the first couple of seasons.

Now, since it is apparent that they are no longer going to be the endgame couple, there is more freedom in the storyline and what the writers can do with the personal relationships. At the end of season four, it felt to me as though the show had sort of written itself into a corner concerning the title relationship of the show. In another recent post I even commented on how the relationship between the two would remain unchanged unless some drastic action by one of them, probably William. Obviously, I did not know that Stuart was planning on leaving the show, but I think my criticism still stands. Both Eliza and William cared too much about their jobs to ever be able to be truly happy together as we last saw them.

This is exactly the reason that William leaves for New York, and it could be very possibly that the way that they write him out of the show is with him deciding to stay in America. William had been considering quitting his position at Scotland Yard, but this was due to the conditions of his job at the time and how overworked he was, plus the draw of finally being able to be with Eliza. It feels very possible to me that he might change his mind upon entering a less stressful environment and decide not to come back to London. After all, William went months, if not a year, suspecting or knowing Eliza's feelings towards him and vice versa but he was still unwilling to give up his career to be with her. I don't fault William for this as Eliza does the same thing, but it does make his staying in New York a bit more believable.

So even though the show is not going to go in the direction we have all thought it would, I think that this could be a good thing. While we won't know if that is the case for likely a year, I am not going to call any judgements until season five is released. Though I think that the show has definitely benefitted from William's presence, it has always been about Eliza first and foremost and so I am excited to see what she gets up to next.

(Also here's to hoping that Ansu Kabia is included in later casting announcements as we have gone far too long without Moses)

#msatd #msatd s5 #msatd s4 #msatd spoilers #miss scarlet pbs #miss scarlet and the duke #eliza scarlet #william wellington #eliza x william #williza #scarnash #patrick nash #eliza x patrick

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pearlcaddy · 1 year

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WILLIAM WELLINGTON & ELIZA SCARLET Miss Scarlet and the Duke 3.05

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ilikeplainmandms · 1 year

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Listen, I know it's called Miss Scarlet and the Duke. But hear me out.

#miss scarlet and the duke #msatd #Patrick Nash #miss scarlet and the duke spoilers #msatd spoilers

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mithrandirl · 3 months

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The picture in her office concealing a hole in the wall with secrets -> Nash's office hiding not one but two safes with secrets

"That would be a sure way to never have any clients." -> her name plate in Nash's office, then putting her own name above her father's office finally

Eliza trying to make ends meet and getting laughed at for being a detective -> running her own agency ish! With one employee even!

Eliza pretending to be William's wife/ mistress to get into places -> Eliza pretending to be his wife to get in to see him when he's in a coma after being shot

William working so hard to get a promotion from the commissioner -> him taking a year off of work in London, and then Fitzroy turning down a promotion from his father, the commissioner

William and Eliza talking to Henry's ghost -> whole flashback episode of Henry being a parent to both of them

Arguing about the kiss -> THE KISS and then THE PRESENT DAY KISS

Also, because I love mess too: William and Eliza being mean best friends who are secretly in love with each other -> William telling her he loves her and then leaving for a year

#miss scarlet and the duke #this is me very bravely not spending 2 days on a gifset showing all these lol #honorable mention is ivy boring william with her mom's gout story again #msatd spoilers #msatd s4 #msatd s4 spoilers #miss scarlet and the duke spoilers #only thing better would have been if moses came back #oh also also the whole him staying at her house when she's in danger thing -> him staying there to heal after being shot 🤪

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historicalesme · 6 days

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#He was right about the accent #of course he would be #Patrick Nash: Master of Accents #patrick nash #eliza x patrick #msatd #msatd spoilers #scarnash

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mirai-desu · 2 months

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#i know why i watch(ed) the show rachael

#idk how long I spent on this but I did so that I laughed instead of cried #the source video is from the gilded age #and is iconic in it's own right #I thought about going further and making Turner's lines about Bertha be about RN but I thought that was unfair to Bertha #miss scarlet and the duke #my edit: miss scarlet and the duke #msatd spoilers

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servants-hall · 2 months

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PBS: "Dig in to these delicious moments from our winter dramas. 😋"

#all creatures great and small #miss scarlet and the duke #and also funny woman she's along for the ride #acgas 2020 #acgas spoilers #msatd spoilers #acgas s4 #msatd s4 #audrey hall #helen herriot #james herriot #siegfried farnon #richard carmody #eliza scarlet #william wellington #ivy woods #clarence

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mellow-plum · 3 months

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"Dear Eliza, this is something I should have said a long time ago. I love you."

Miss Scarlet and The Duke (2020-)

#William writing a letter to Eliza gotta be the sweetest thing on earth #I cried after watching this #and the fact that she never got around to reading it #*frustrated scream*#miss scarlet and the duke #msatd spoilers #msatd s4 #williza #william wellington #eliza scarlet #kate phillips #stuart martin

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charmedlifesworld · 3 months

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Just your daily dose of these two because why the heck not..... 😭❤️

Eliza will definitely ask him to work alongside her at the agency. Obviously, he wouldn't be able to refuse, and it will be very satisfying to see play out. Them solving cases, catching feelings for each other is the one big thought that is keeping my patience in check for a season 5, lol.

Me also wanting them to kiss here.... 👀

#the hand touch though from Eliza.....#i need season 5 to be announced and given a premiere date ASAP #eliza x patrick #patrick x eliza #eliza and patrick #patrick and eliza #eliza scarlet #patrick nash #miss scarlet and the duke spoilers #miss scarlet and the duke #msatd s4 #msatd spoilers

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kanerallels · 3 months

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HELP I JUST FINISHED MSATD EPISODE TWO OF SEASON FOUR AND I AM FEELING EMOTIONS ABOUT THE FOLLOWING SPOILERS BENEATH THE CUT

Eliza wearing the orchid colored dress whenever she knows she's gonna see William because he said she looked beautiful in it GIRL WE SEE YOU

William saying he would never be comfortable with people threatening Eliza

William threatening that dude who disrespected Eliza

All the scenes with them working together because they FINALLY ARE IT'S SO SO GOOD TO SEE THEY WORK SO WELL TOGETHER

Especially the scene where they were interrogating Hardcastle together

Then when they had drinks together and Eliza said she was William's family I PERISHED

And then she said she was like his little sister and I PERISHED again but for different reasons. If I had a nickel for every ship who sibling zoned themselves I SWEAR--

Anyways then William asked her out and it was CUTE and I LOVE THEM

But then

The last scene

It Occured

AND I WAS LOSING IT POOR FITZROY LOOKED SO SAD AND UPSET I ALMOST STARTED CRYING

But it's gonna be okay. He's too stubborn to die. Also I can't WAIT for the next episode I love me a good flashback episode. This is just like Suits all over again

#losing my MIND Y'ALL #miss scarlet and the duke #msatd #msatd s4 #msatd spoilers #miss scarlet and the duke season 4 #miss scarlet and the duke spoilers

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