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What's your opinion on Kuroda Hyoue being the disguised Tsutomu Akai?

I think it would make his character even more interesting, but if he isn't I don't know where and who Tsutomu could be.

And if he is did he meet his kids? I think he met Sera but I am not sure.

"Kuroda Hyoue = Akai Tsutomu" Theory (Updated)

This is my current speculation on Kuroda Hyoue's identity, I will keep it updated as we get new developments.

I think that Kuroda Hyoue is indeed Akai Tsutomu's current identity. Kuroda shares many similarities with Akai Tsutomu and especially his son (Akai Shuuichi). They both have similar fashion sense, with a contrasting white-coloured tie to a dark shirt and a brown overlay, and when it comes to Shuuichi, we got visual cues where they not only stood the same way with hands in their pocket, but also demonstrated the same leg sweep technique (File 989 & 1016), which is most likely intended to indicate that they share the same martial arts (Jeet Kune Do) that Akai Tsutomu was revealed to have mastered (File 1099 & SDB 90+).

Kuroda was also especially interested in the Kohji case, to the point of seemingly noticing a dying message-like name in the news (File 980 & 987). This fits with Akai Tsutomu's interest, that started after Haneda Kohji's father (Haneda Yasuharu), who is Tsutomu's friend, requested that he solved his son's murder (File 1037).

Here is how I currently suspect he turned from a seemingly deceased MI6 agent from Britain to a member of the NPA's Public Security in Japan in the last 17 years.

We know from File 1048-1049 that Tsutomu had a confrontation with Vermouth 17 years ago after his investigation on the Kohji case, and that clash lead to him being presumed dead by the BO. We then learned in File 1099 that Wakasa and a "monster" (Rum) was involved in what potentially was that same incident that lead to his presumed death 17 years ago.

As I speculated before, I think that Tsutomu's investigation lead him to finding out that Kohji's dying message revealed "Karasuma" to be the culprit, and that the prime suspect Asaka is innocent. I think that Rum found out about Tsutomu's investigation and baited him to a location using Vermouth, who disguised as "the innocent bodyguard Asaka" and carried Kohji's shogi piece charm as proof to convince him. Before going to the meeting location, Tsutomu warned his family about making enemies with bad people and told them to move to Japan, so that his family's whereabouts aren't discovered (File 972), in case he doesn't survive the planned meeting with "Asaka" (similar to Mary's contingency plan of having Masumi contact MI6 about fake Tsutomu in case Mary didn't make it back in File 1049).

That lead to Tsutomu finger jabbing Rum's left eye (as hinted by Gosho in the OdaxAoyama interview and File 972) and ultimately getting defeated by Rum after letting his guard down around Vermouth (Fake Asaka/Wakasa).

I suspect that Tsutomu's confrontation with them lead to him surviving (like Mary) and changing his identity and appearance (likely through plastic surgery). Afterwards, to pursue the organization further, it makes sense that he would have moved to Japan, where the culprit(s) "Karasuma" originate from, just like the other overseas agents (i.e Hondou Ethan from the CIA). Just like Mary, who got ahold of a fake pass to fly to Japan (revealed by Gosho in SDB 100+), Tsutomu had also gotten ahold of a fake pass with the alias "Kuroda Hyoue".

I think that he then decided to investigate the Karasuma Group/Black Organization, by becoming a public security officer of the Japanese police (in order to extract information easier, as referenced in File 1033).

In order to get a pass into the police academy in Japan (disregarding of his blank background), I suspect that Kuroda/Tsutomu secretly relied on his relationship with the head of the Ōoka Group (who is currently retired) that was revealed in File 1088, similar to how his friend Haneda Yasuharu did in File 1039-1042.

The Ōoka family has been shown and hinted to have great influence and connections with people in high positions, like the Tokyo governor (File 992), making them more than capable of helping Kuroda/Tsutomu join the japanese police.

In other words, the same time as his eldest son started to work towards becoming an FBI agent 17 years ago (File 972), Kuroda started to work towards getting accepted by the National Police Agency (File 913). He then built himself up and became what I think is the backstage administrator of the NPA's security planning division (who recieves all the classified reports of their NOC:s), all within 7 years.

Seven years later (since his disappearance), Kuroda/Tsutomu has made a name for himself within the NPA and has diligently kept his safe distance from his family, but before the status quo with his family could change, an incident took place around 10 years ago, that lead to his 10-year-long coma (File 914). We recently learned that Iori Muga, the current butler of the Ōoka family, was a former coworker of Kuroda within the Public Security, who went with the alias "Sakakibara" while undercover, which was likely before Kuroda's 10-year coma (File 1090).

I think that what lead to Kuroda's burn-scar-causing and right-eye-losing incident 10 years ago was that Iori Muga (who is actually Rum's true appearance) deemed Kuroda as a threatening and formidable enemy to the black organization. He therefore secretly orchestrated the incident that made Kuroda fall into a coma. Kuroda's hair colour changed due to the stress of the incident (his hair was perhaps shaved off for surgery purposes and white hair grew instead) and he didn't wake up until 10 years later (File 914).

I suspect that when Kuroda/Tsutomu woke up from his coma, he suffered actual memory loss to an extent, which is why he was perceived to have become a different person (As Yui mentioned). This concept was already foreshadowed as a possibility through Vermouth's disguise cover story when she faced Mary as Tsutomu (File 1048).

This would also explain why Kuroda immediately reacted to Wakasa Rumi in the news in File 980, while also still acting unaware of her identity as if he is trying to confirm suspicions of her being a criminal tied to the Kohji case in File 987-989, despite potentially having met her 17 years ago as Tsutomu. The amnesia could have made him forget her potential role in his demise 17 years ago, but he still found her familiar enough to the point of investigating her and making the connection between her name and Kohji's dying message.

While he may have forgotten significant things from his life as Tsutomu, his goal to take down the BO and find out who Kohji's killer is hasn't changed. Although the NPA had him move to Nagano to ease back into his work (before he moved to Tokyo MPD as the new superintendent), I think they gave Kuroda permission to still keep his Backstage administrator role active and stay in contact with their NOC ("Bourbon"/Furuya Rei) by Kuroda's request (File 1017).

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silverbulletofthefbi · 7 years

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((Some thoughts about the Rum arc under the cut. (Mary, Kohji’s connections to the Akai/Sera family, Wakasa, and the possibility of either as Asaka for now).))

First, where the everloving HELL did Kohji hear the name “Rum”? During the attack? Some time before then? Who said it (or wrote it)? How did it come up?

Mary

Mary’s dialogue about the demon in the dark is a red herring and there’s no way for her to be Rum. Rum’s in good standing with the Org. and being an APTX victim is instantly the mark of an enemy of the Org. It means an attempted murder victim or an attempt at suicide and needing to flee the Org. (The Org. still doesn’t know about the shrinking effect, just Vermouth and a few defectors.)

She also doesn’t meet the “lacking an eye” description associated with Rum, having perfectly functional eyes, not even getting into the alcohol codename pattern...

Kohji’s family situation

Kohji is stated to be something ambiguous in relation to Shuukichi. According to the translators, the term Shuukichi uses means either brother-in-law or step-brother. However, we have a bit of a timeline that makes things a bit clearer. The case happened 17 years prior, when Kohji was 21 or so. Shuichi is currently 31 or 32, according to Aoyama. 17 years ago, he would have been 14 or 15. I mention this because a sibling-in-law is either your sibling’s spouse or the sibling of your spouse. This can’t be the case, because Shuichi and Shuukichi are too young to marry at that point and they haven’t married yet (though not for lack of trying on Shuukichi’s part). Kohji cannot be a brother-in-law to them.

As for step-siblings, that gets a bit murky, since a step-sibling is the child from a previous relationship of one of the parents brought into the newer family. Kohji having another surname from the rest could imply that, though it would raise the question of if he was Tsutomu’s or Mary’s son alone. If the former, that would mean Kohji took on his mother’s surname. If the latter, he took his father’s surname. (Mary didn’t change her name when marrying, as shown in Shuukichi’s marriage forms.)

As for the idea of him being adopted, I wouldn’t entirely rule it out just yet. Were he alive, he would be 38 at the time of the series. And, given the math I did on Mary’s likely age at the time of the incident (see below), she’d be 51-57 years old now, ignoring her current poisoning. She would have to have been 13-19 when Kohji was born. We do not know Tsutomu’s age, so he could be Tsutomu’s child brought over from a previous relationship. Or else Kohji was adopted when he was a bit older. Or Mary’s timeline stuff would be on the higher end of her possible ages, where she had Kohji at 18-19, Shuichi at 25 or so, and is 56 or 57 currently.

Someone else over on one of the forums commented at one point the theory that Tsutomu was Kohji’s body double and murdered, due to the prominent cheekbones. Aside from that making no sense timeline-wise, I think a more likely explanation is that Kohji is Tsutomu’s son. (Gosho draws families as having some similar traits, such as unique eye patterns or facial features.)

Regardless, I am curious of Kohji’s citizenship status, since that would help clear up some jurisdiction questions and could help narrow down which agency Tsutomu worked for. A murder in the US would fall under US jurisdiction, unless involving a non-US citizen, if I recall.

Wakasa

Wakasa’s unlikely to be Rum. Aside from how Rum fits the male alcohol codename pattern and the consistent description of him being a man, some of the details don’t quite add up. The Organization is incredibly careful about the appearance of the name Asaca, and her fake name is literally a few letters away from Kohji’s message- Asaka Rum. They would never, ever, EVER have the agent connected with that case do something like that. Especially not their second in command when his screw-up there is something from 17 years ago that they still go out of their way to hide and hunt down any possibility of Asaca.

The idea I’ve seen floating around, that Wakasa is Vermouth, is unlikely in my opinion. For Wakasa, the idea of prosthetics and intentionally blinding someone is very personal and makes her react incredibly badly, things likely connected to Kohji’s murder/Rum. Vermouth, meanwhile, is very flippant and mostly relaxed during the Asaca concert hall case, offering to help Amuro, and the reason for her showing up seems to be to make sure Conan and Ran are safe and that Amuro won’t target them in some way. (She is unaware of him being PSB and thinks he’s a loyal Org. member.)

On top of that, Wakasa’s clearly observing Kudo. Vermouth already knows that he’s a great detective and knows who he is and what happened to him. Wakasa seems, instead, intent on testing him and figuring out his skills. Vermouth also lacks the quick detective-like thinking that Wakasa appears to have.

Asaka

As for who is Asaka, I think both Mary and Wakasa are likely candidates:

1. Both are good at close-quarters fighting. However, their styles are a bit different. Mary fights normally, while Wakasa often feigns clumsiness and accidents to do what needs to be done, be it fighting or giving hints. 2. Both are linked to the case from 17 years ago with Kohji. Mary through a family relationship, Wakasa marking herself as such with her pseudonym. 3. One’s using a clear pseudonym and the other’s in near-total hiding.

Now here’s where things get murky...

Mary’s caution is more like Subaru’s assessment of Asaka- avoids being seen, disappearing without a trace, CAUTIOUS as hell.

(However, this comes across as a red herring for Mary to be seen as suspicious by the audience. Especially since Conan’s idea that Asaka is Rum is also a few chapters near that dialogue chronologically, if I recall.)

Wakasa, on the other hand, is a bit more mixed in terms of caution. Her pseudonym is clearly attention-getting when talking about the Org., yet she reacts like she didn’t want to be photographed or mentioned in the papers at all.

Their links to the case are different. In the case of Mary, she would have been either his step-mother, mother, or adoptive mother. In the case of Wakasa, Kuroda speculates either a girlfriend or sister, since the intentional pseudonyms make it unclear.

Mary is bored by the soul detective’s reasoning for Asaca being a woman- the use of a mirror. Makes sense, since anyone would find a mirror useful if they were looking behind them. However, with her likely background, she probably just knows this as a general thing, not necessarily her having been there.

The one picture we have of Asaka shows the person having dark, longer hair, which points more toward either Wakasa or Iori, not Mary.

Wakasa, assuming her age is correct, would have been about 20 during the time of the Kohji’s murder. Mary’s age is ambiguous, but given Gosho’s general trends, she would’ve had Shuichi at 20-25. Fourteen to fifteen years later (when Kohji’s murder occurred), she would be anywhere from 34-40. Depending on location/organization/etc., bodyguards must be at least 18-21, but many prefer bodyguards who are over 25.

If Mary is Asaka, that raises questions about what Tsutomu knew of the case beforehand (since it could easily be their child whom she failed to protect), what Mary knew of Rum, or if she knew the details of Kohji’s murder directly. Also, how would that conversation work out with them, since Amanda offered Kohji her bodyguard Asaka, only for it to be his mom/stepmom? (That’d be hilarious, I’ll admit.)

If Wakasa is Asaka, this raises questions about her use of such a pseudonym. It’s too blatantly an allusion to Asaca and Rum, while Asaca’s remained hidden so far, unless bringing up that case from the past made her come forward now to get some resolution?

What’s also interesting is that Wakita and Wakasa both start getting close to Kogoro and Conan so soon after the Soul Detective arc. This mirrors Mary’s warning that the Org. will come around once they hear the name Kohji Haneda drudged up.

However, I am not saying with certainty that either one could be Asaka. They could both just be very close to Kohji on a personal level and that could throw things off. We are also operating on incomplete information.

A final note, comparing and contrasting the two, Mary and Wakasa are different in their approaches when it comes to their contact with Conan. Mary is careful, has an intermediary (Masumi), and wants him to come to her. However, she later seems to shut down this idea due to his actions when dealing with her. She’s very slow to trust, that much is apparent.

Meanwhile, Wakasa’s directly approaching Conan on different pretenses. It’s hard to tell what’s going on with her, but she’s using various excuses to try to get him alone to talk with him, such as spilling paint on the tiger and later saying how she wants to drop the kids off one by one.

#ooc #rum arc #mary sera #wakasa rumi #detective conan #this is really long just so you know

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