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anakirui · 3 years

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(decided to fine tune one of my analysises i made on reddit, warning this is very long)

[Bad and Skeppy are wrongly victimized by majority of the fandom.]

/rp

A common theme I've seen with these two regarding the fandom is that they are often treated like completely innocent people who selflessly sacrificed themselves for eachother in the Egg arc.

News Flash: They're not. Bad and Skeppy are anything but selfless.

Despite the fact that it's been made clear multiple times that Bad and Skeppy are selfish and not great individuals, the fandom still clings onto this ideal that they can do no wrong.

The reason for this is a mix of certain factors, but before we delve into those, I would find it a good idea to actually disprove the "c!Bad and c!Skeppy can do no wrong" mentality.

Pre-Egg Arc

This analysis starts with something that happened within Skeppy's first few days of joining; his tour around the server with Dream. (https://youtu.be/PJEE9O7a9pU)

This tour isn't too important, but it's still tied to when Skeppy gets the Cat disc, as events from that stream are mentioned in the stream where Skeppy gets the Cat disc.

Essentially what happens in the server tour is that Skeppy kills one of Dream's dogs and forces him to name the other or else he'd kill it. Dream decides to name the dog Charles so Skeppy doesn't kill it. (This whole scene has tonal whiplash in the fact that right after, Skeppy starts calling Charles a good boy as if he didn't just murder a dog infront of him-)

Other than that, Skeppy and Dream have some very interesting interactions in this stream. I have transcripted one, shown below.

"Skeppy all I ask of you is please don't start any wars. That is all I don't want- If you start a war or something, it'll be- It'll be upsetting."

"Yknow, there was something I was tryna do earlier, but... I just didn't have that piece of iron and that flint." [Skeppy, changing the subject.]

"Oh my God. Well-"

"Would you happen to have that... Material on you in your inventory?"

"I- If I did, I wouldn't give it to you, Skeppy!"

"But do you have it on you?" [Skeppy walks forward and Dream moves backwards]

"Yknow what- I will give you one thing."

"Okay."

[Dream gives Skeppy one block of TNT]

"That is all- You can do what you please-"

"Wait how much of that do you have?" [Skeppy interrupting Dream]

"I have a lot. But I- But I-"

"Can I have some more please?" [Skeppy is walking towards him again, this time with a sword.]

"No- No No No... No."

"Dream, I'm asking you as a friend."

"Skeppy- One TNT-"

"We bonded with eachother and the dog. We bonded with your dog."

"One TNT- You also killed one of my dogs-"

"No, I was helping him and I put him in a better place."

Eventually, Dream and Skeppy go on to talk about L'Manburg.

Interestingly enough, their whole conversation feels very similar to Skeppy's conversation with Foolish about L'Sandburg.

Skeppy ends up calling Dream a psycho but ends up agreeing with his view on L'Manburg because of Dream using a metaphor concerning a table in a house.

This leads us to when Skeppy gets the Cat disc via Spirit's leather. (https://youtu.be/IE_zB-xQTC4)

"Well, today I killed Charles infront of everybody." [Dream]

"You killed Charles?" [Skeppy]

"Yeah."

"Why?" [Just a note that Skeppy doesn't sound shocked or repulsed in the slightest.]

"Because the dogs don't do anything for me but negative."

[Tommy and Tubbo get kicked from the call and get back in]

"-That question doesn't really matter. The second question I had was; I'll give you the leather cause it's rightfully yours, but why do you care if you give me two discs? I don't understand-"

"Yes but listen, but I- There's been wars on this server over these discs, okay? Multiple wars."

"Oh, so you want control over them." [I don't know if anyone else has ever seen through Dreams intentions this easily]

"I want control over them, yes."

"Huh."

"But, I am willing to trade you one."

"Well, how many discs are there?"

"There's two."

"Oh, there's two?"

"So you'd have 50% of the discs."

"Huhhhmmm... I'd really want all of it-" [Skeppy literally just proved the concept that he wants control over the server with his own words in the span of a few seconds.]

"But the thing is, there's no point in burning it, because if you burn them you lose everything. Like, you lose all power."

*"Yeah."

"Like if you have the discs, you can- Even if you just trade them to Tommy you have tons of power to trade with."

Skeppy continues to be stubborn for a while, as he wants both discs instead of just one, and ends up settling for just the Cat disc. In the midst of this, he also has an interesting quote;

"Hmm... The thing is, I've been trying to get rich, cause it's my first day on this server where I'm actually actively trying to go about it, get rich and I- I just can't find anything. And I don't want to go mining. So, if you could like offer me some goods with the disc, instead of the second one, uh... That would be great. Does that sound fair?"

So then we get into the more solid evidence with Skeppy giving Bad the Cat disc. This scene paints them in a very obviously negative light. (https://youtu.be/Wp7bHA3LDcc)

I think the most notably concerning part of this scene is the fact that it shows that Bad and Skeppy are pretty deattached from having a decent morality. They both literally start laughing over the idea of being able to manipulate Tommy with the Cat disc.

Later in the clip, they go and mine for quartz for what would become the Quartz Mansion.

This is actually when the Badlands was conceptualized. Ant and Sam came later when it was actually formed, but Bad and Skeppy, from the start, wanted to make the Badlands for the sole purpose of chaos.

This is a premise that wasn't immediately shared to Ant and Sam upon them joining/forming the Badlands with Bad, which marks another difference in morality between c!Happyduo and others, which gets explored more in depth later on.

"So here's the thing, Skeppy. Have you- Do you know about the war that's going on- On here?"

"I do. But fill me in on the details."

"So, there was a rebellion and an election and JSchlatt and his faction have conquered L'Manberg and they renamed it to Manberg."

"What does that mean for us?"

[Dono interrupts them]

"...So, they conquered and now JSchlatt's the president of L'Manberg. But here's the thing, right? They called it Manberg which is dumb in my opinion, but, I'm a bigger fan of the name L'Manberg- But here's the thing, we have a choice. We can either... Join the Manberg faction- There's a ton of netherrack in here- Did you put that there?-"

"Uh... No."

"Okay, someone else was doing mining... Uh... We can either join that faction and join- And fight against Tommy. Tommy and his squadron, which is Wilbur and Technoblade, they fled the capital, alright? And they have gone off and formed their new land called Pogtopia, okay? Now, we can either join them- or we can join the memers who currently hold Manberg which is a dumb name, I'm still gonna call it L'Manberg- Or we can form our own faction! And we can rebel against both of them! What do you think?"

"Hmmm...." [Skeppy sounds amused]

"We can fan the flames of war and discord... And chaos."

"Bad, I'm down to make our own, but we're really gonna have to try hard."

"Well, so here's the idea, Skeppy. We currently hold the disc of power, alright?"

"We do. We do. This is our leverage."

"This is our leverage against Tommy. We're basically untouchable from them, right? They do anything to us, we can roasty toasty the disc."

"Mhmmmm..."

"Right?"

"Aww, I like what you're thinking Bad!"

Then their conversation goes to this;

"So, what I'm thinking is, we play the factions against eachother. And we just- We just meme our own faction- What if we just betray both sides." [Bad]

"Oh my god." [Happy tone]

"Cause Tommy can't do anything to us. We can just betray everybody."

"Yeah we could do that."

[They're giggling]

"Or play everybody, I should say." [Bad laughs] "Cause Skeppy, I think the most fun we can have is... The chaos fun. Let's just cause chaos and wreak havoc. What do you think, Skeppy?"

"Well the thing is, no one knows that you have the disc. So..."

"Yeah, no one knows right now."

"Just give me some time. I need to get stacked up a little bit first."

"I do too- We need to get you good loot- I'm going to work on getting us Sharpness V after our axes, so that's my priority."

"I'll work on the house side of things."

"Okay."

"We're gonna do it Skeppy! We're gonna conquer this server! By pitting the two factions against eachother! And then we will come out on top. That is our duck faction-"

[Skeppy chuckles]

"-The chaos duck faction- That's our aim of the game, Skeppy."

"Are we sure we wanna call it that though?"

"I mean I don't know I kinda like it, quack."

So then we get into the Battle of the Lake/Burning Of The Eiffel Tower conflict.(https://youtu.be/zh_H1dKdfMM)

Despite this conflict being centered around Sapnap and Tommy, it has quite a few moments of Bad and Skeppy being well... Bad and Skeppy.

For example, Bad states that "an eye for an eye makes the whole world go blind," only for him to later hypocritically ask Sapnap to join the Badlands so that they can *kill* Tommy. All Tommy did was accuse Bad of a crime that nobody even believed he committed.

Skeppy also encourages Tommy to be violent by saying "We need to take revenge. [against Sapnap]" which on a surface level doesn't sound bad until you realize that Sapnap has never wronged Skeppy once, which makes you really wonder who "we" is.

He also threatened to kill Tommy for standing near the Quartz Mansion a few minutes before that while giving him what I'd presume to be a death glare.

And then he did it again when Tommy starts boasting about how he "singlehandedly" killed Skeppy;

[Skeppy stares down Dream and Tommy, not saying anything at all, standing a block above them]

"He's gonna assassinate you, Tommy." [Dream]

"He wouldn't- He couldn't- Cause I'm too strong." [Tommy]

And then, the Manburg vs Pogtopia War happens, and luckily for us, we have Bad's POV.(https://youtu.be/OjxADY5Vb3A)

This stream is literally just packed full of moments of Bad and Skeppy being morally questionable, even if the Badlands didn't do much in the actual war.

It also shows that there's a difference in how Sam and Ant view things compared to Bad and Skeppy.

Sam even says at one point that he thinks that they are "Defending the innocent," and Ant states that he agrees. Bad brushes this off and Skeppy completely ignores it.

Sam and Ant also express some guilt and sadness for the fact that their friends homes got blown up, meanwhile Bad and Skeppy don't care whatsoever and are satisfied with the outcome.

"Do you consider this a win boys?!" [Skeppy, interrupting Sam, Ant, and Bad's conversation about the destruction]

"This is a win, Skeppy!" [Bad]

"This is a win for us!" [Skep]

"Let's go!" [Ant]

[incoherent]

"...Technically we gained nothing but their losses which is still a gain!" [Skeppy]

"It is a gain!" [Bad]

"This is a gain for us." [Sam]

"The conflict, it will continue, we've now- We've now got- Destroyed buildings that need to be repaired, there's new battle lines that have been drawn, so this is perfect! We can keep the conflict going, and then the Badlands will be victorious! Yes! I'm loving this. Good work everyone. Good work team." [Bad]

Bad and Skeppy later talk to eachother alone about a tweet Skeppy made. The tweet is basically him stating that he's considering burning Tommy's Cat disc [This was literally moments after MvPG]

"Yknow what, Skeppy?" [Bad, changing vcs so Ant and Sam don't hear them.]

"Hmmm..." [Skeppy]

"I saw your tweet."

"Hmmm..." [Skeppy again, but this time it's with a tone that indicates he's quite amused.]

"Are you suggesting that we introduce a little bit more chaos into the mix?" [Bad]

"I don't know, I don't know. We'll have to see how it plays out."

[Bad giggles]

Basically, this section establishes c!Skeppy and c!Bad as morally gray (at best), which contradicts the idea that they "did nothing wrong/can do no wrong."

The lack of knowledge about their involvement these events really supports people's incorrect impressions of their characters.

The Egg Arc

Moving onto to what is probably the most important section in this post, is the Egg Arc.

And Early Egg Arc Skeppy is heavily misunderstood. Not just by the people around him, but by the fandom itself.

His behavior towards Bad and Puffy in the Early Egg Arc is often played off as being lighthearted or seen as "omg jealous skeppy haha skephalo monke noises" or just defined as only that one scene of "Is it me or the Egg?" All three are just wrong.

Skeppy acts so uncharacteristically aggressive to everyone around him because he is scared of being replaced by Puffy and the Egg.

He actually starts being pretty two-faced and starts talking shit about Bad to Puffy as a result. (https://youtu.be/oHOwoG8XIkM) It gives him a possessive toxic friend vibe even if he normally doesn't act that way when it comes to Bad at all, since his change in behavior is fear-based.

"The Egg is beautiful and Bad loves the Egg!" [Puffy]

"No he doesn't!" [Skeppy]

"He does love the Egg!"

[Puffy starts talking over him]

"He doesn't! He loves me! He loves me! Not Discount Skeppy! Not Discount Skeppy!- [Puffy interrupts him]

That is not true, I am not replaceable."

And then he goes on to say multiple times that "Bad cannot make his own decisions" and that "Bad doesnt know what he wants."

He also hits Puffy with his sword a few times and claims that he was simply "testing it out."

"Bad is ignorant when it comes to these things. We're just gonna be real. We're just gonna be- [Puffy talks over him] No I- I haven't insulted him, I've just been honest."

Skeppy also clearly does not trust Puffy whatsoever. The moment Bad mentions that someone stole his stuff, Skeppy immediately goes after Puffy and accuses her. Somehow people think that c!Puffy and c!Skeppy are friends, yet c!Skeppy literally demonstrates behavior that says the clear opposite.

Eventually, we get the scene of where Skeppy repeatedly asks Bad if he'd choose him or the Egg, which leads to Skeppy trapping himself inside the Egg. (Which maybe Bad could've done out of paranoia if we go by the theory that he made the Egg, because Skeppy had actually witnessed how the corruption came back after he removed the obsidian once, so the fact that he apparently decided to put himself in the Egg while covered in obsidian voluntarily (He can't can't the Egg's voices) is weird because we don't have much of an explanation for why he would do that. Red Skeppy can't hear the voices either as proven in 4/18.)

Anyways, Skeppy being in the Egg actually extended the Egg arc, and is basically why it ever escalated in the first place. Eventually, everyone had become uninfected except for Skeppy, who has gone through a complete personality change unlike everyone else.

This leads to Bad willingly letting himself get corrupted again because Skeppy is corrupted. This is selfish.

We know that in the case of everyone who isn't Skeppy, the Egg influences via voices. Red Skeppy is most likely completely controlled by the Egg as a way to try and take advantage of Bad.

So, keeping that in mind, Bad's actions after he willingly lets himself get infected are pretty bad for someone who "isn't" selfish.

He makes the Eggpire for chaos for the Badlands. He manages to get people infected and on his side. He also sets up the Red Banquet, and ends up traumatizing and killing multiple people. He has to be at least somewhat aware of what he is doing. (There's also the chance that Eggpire c!Bad isn't infected at all but that's for another time because I could write a whole ass book on that- [Note: This theory is different from the theory that c!Bad made the Egg])

However, an important part of the Egg Arc that is very overlooked is that Bad actually starts paralleling Early Egg Arc Skeppy in a few ways.

I once made an analysis post on why Bad is afraid of Dream and why that lead him to putting Skeppy on Big Daddy Island. [Yes it's canonically called that. BD Island for short. Fun fact, it was made on a 16th.]

To summarize, the Skeppy Jail in the Disc Confrontation ends up sending Bad into a paranoid spiral which causes him to lead a dubiously-infected Skeppy to BD Island.(https://youtu.be/PD37c3-hd3E)

And to say the least, Bad acts meaner to Skeppy than normal on BD Island. He also doesn't answer his questions as to why they're going there, and when he does, it's only to bring Skeppy's ego down. [He states at one point its because Skeppy is "bad at Minecraft." in a hurtful way]

In a similar fashion to how Skeppy acted like an aggressive jerk when he was scared, Bad also acts different than usual in response to fear.

In fact, he seems to downplay his emotions if his prison visit to Dream is anything to go by. (He repeatedly says that he's nervous over and over again to chat, and then puts up an extremely cheerful front to Dream despite being basically terrified.)

But one of the most important things about BD Island is that it establishes a very clear difference between Red Skeppy and c!Skeppy as characters. This is shown by when c!Skeppy starts to notice he's feeling corrupted again on 3/2. (https://youtu.be/dtXLjPYBWo4)

Putting that aside cause I'm starting to get off topic with this analysis, so I'm going to get back on topic by talking about Skeppy [And Bad]'s first canon death. (https://youtu.be/oU_FwB0pRsI)

The most important thing to be taken from this stream in context of this analysis is Red Skeppy calling c!Bad selfish.

Which although it's the Egg's doing, it's entirely true that Bad is selfish. This man has literally committed so many crimes just for Skeppy, instead of yknow, trying to solve the problem instead of creating more.

It's obvious that both Skeppy and Bad wouldn't consider Bad's actions to be selfish even though they are and Red Skeppy is right.

Puffy also calls Bad selfish during the Red Banquet, and with the Red Banquet comes what people would use to shut down this analysis completely;

"I know, wait. I know where I can go. I know who I can see. But the Egg... The Egg is... it's in their possession right now. What can I do?

...They have it. I just... I just wanted what... I just wanted what it could give me.

I didn't really want to hurt anybody. I just wanted what it could give me, but... I don't know.

I don't know. Did I screw up? Am I in the wrong here? I don't know. I just need to go. I need to get out of here.

Oh my goodness. I don't know what to do."

Or more specifically;

"I didn't really want to hurt anybody." AKA the most bullshit thing c!BadBoyHalo has ever said.

Why is it bullshit?

L'Sandburg

Yes, I am aware that Bad "apologized"(https://youtu.be/j2FrG2Z4i_k) to Puffy with Ant. (Bad tries to shift the blame onto Ant a lot of times in that stream, though. He's got no sense of responsibility or much of a conscience for anything BUT Skeppy)

But this apology gets completely overturned and rendered as a lie by L'Sandburg.

L'Sandburg is either confusing or annoying to the fanbase, and for some pretty valid reasons, even if i personally love it myself for its characterization despite it being filler improv lore.

Some people find the fact that it's a big reference to L'Manberg annoying, some simply find it boring, while others have issues figuring out the plot or watching it which makes sense.

L'Sandburg is a hard plotline to get into because Foolish has extremely long streams while Bad streamed very late at night for most people, causing it to be hard to find clips.

There's honestly so much evidence in L'Sandburg that I have yet to transcript as I watched these events live and need to rewatch said VODs so I could make this more solid but I'm tired- (also do not use the DreamSMP Wiki as a source for L'Sandburg information, they literally glossed over everything negative Bad and Skeppy did and it's strange and at one point got completely inaccurate by saying that Skeppy and Foolish agreed to the plan off stream when it was on stream.)

I do have evidence that is actually sourcable, however, hence why we have this section.

So to properly start this section off,

Let's talk about the nature of L'Sandburg itself.

L'Sandburg is quite literally a hostile takeover of land.

If Bad felt guilty for what he indirectly caused, you'd think he'd try doing something to repair his relationship with Foolish, but he does the exact opposite by literally invading his land and telling him to die.

He also acts exactly how he did pre-Egg arc.

It's actually mind-boggling when you realize that Bad is indirectly most of the reason why Foolish joined Las Nevadas; L'Sandburg was the final straw.

And then we have Skeppy. It feels like nobody actually watched the part where Skeppy talked to Foolish about the kidnapping plan and people just think he wants to leave Bad because of what Foolish said which... Makes no sense with how Skeppy acts towards Foolish in that stream. (c!Happyduos relationship post-Egg arc isn't shitty and I'm tired of pretending it is. c!Skeppy is the biggest c!Bad apologist ever throughout L'Sandburg and he's still in the Badlands during it. Also just because of this it makes me think Skeppy's kidnapping was double-staged, as in Skeppy betrayed Foolish by telling Bad about it (When Foolish gave Skeppy the copy of Bad's death threat directed towards him (Foolish), he states that he'll "talk to him about it later" which we never see on screen) and it was an elaborate setup to make c!Foolish look bad (Not only that, c!Bads reaction seems way too over the top in comparison to his gradual/genuine anger in 4/18. And the timing of everything is extremely convenient. How is it that Skeppy starts messaging him that he's "cold and hungry" the moment that Bad and Foolish start to be "peaceful" with eachother? And then the moment things calm down, he messages him again. It's fucking insane-)

In fact, Skeppy very clearly manipulates Foolish in that stream. He sets off many red flags, and luckily for me, I actually have parts transcripted and sourced. (https://youtu.be/qXbMGjs_VhY)

To simply list everything he does in that clip:

- Excuses Bads actions multiple times

- Accuses Foolish of being a terrible human being

- Calls Foolish "greedy" for not letting him have a huge chunk of his summer home for free

- Guilt trips him

- Threatens him for land

- Attempts to blackmail him for a statue

- He wanted the original copy of the book with Bad's death threat to Foolish, meaning that he was probably going to either burn it or keep it so that Foolish has no claim against Bad.

- Physically hits him multiple times

- Acts dumb on purpose multiple times

- Talks over him multiple times

- Implies multiple times that he isn't loyal to Foolish

- Tries to test him multiple times

And here is just some of those things transcripted below:

[Skeppy gasps] "Can you build a statue of me?"

"Wait- Why would I build a statue of you?"

"Because, if you don't, I'm going to keep telling Bad to do whatever he's doing on the highest scale. And then he's going to keep doing it-"

"-WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?-"

"-And then he's going to take your property. So it's either that or you build a structure of me."

And this;

"Yknow what- I kinda see what Bad's saying, but I don't wanna go against you just yet..." [Skeppy]

"What do you mean? WAIT WHAT?"

"I'm not- I'm not- I'm not going to go against you."

"WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?"

"I'm with you, I'm with you." [Skeppy punches Foolish]

"How are you even contemplating going against me?-"

"What am I gonna do, when nighttime comes around, and I'm all cold, and there's monsters, like- What do you want me to do?" [Skeppy randomnly switching the subject to guilt trip him]

And this;

"Alright yknow what, I accept." [Skeppy, agreeing to foolish's deal that he can have a tower too]

"Just so we have everything clear, it's still my land. It's your tower to use, you can do what you want with it, but like..."

"Yeah, yeah yeah yeah, uh huh yeah, yeahyeahyeah Makes sense. Yeah. Yup." [Talking over him]

"Are you listening to me?"

"Yes, yeah."

[Skeppy throws down the copy of the book of Bad's death threat]

"Give me land bitch."

tl;dr from my original reddit post: im tired this took four hours to write basically they're immoral assholes that are also hypocrites and only care about themselves they r not good people, people only think that they are because of a lack of information about events they've been involved in, k thank u have a good day

extra note: holy shit editing and formatting this on mobile was a FUCKING MISTAKE

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