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#looking at this now there was a detail i forgot but idc enough to fix it
nutmegpoid · 2 months
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this was supposed to just be a doodle. it. was not...
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butchsophiewalten · 8 months
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Drop your twf characters tier list
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This is definitely too detailed but I can never do things like this without splitting hairs over precise categories, so all things considered I did pretty good here.
My opinions on Walten Files characters actually shift around a lot! especially over the years. I made some tierlists like this back around late 2021/early 2022-ish and Felix specifically was a lot lower since I was having so much woobified sadboy and Jack/Felix shipping content shoved down my throat that I just really couldn't stand him anymore, despite how interesting I've always found his character to be.
Things are probably going to shift around way more than this in the future, especially after TWF4! Even now I'm looking at this and wondering if I really agree with certain character placements. Maybe I'd place Cartoon Banny and Cartoon Bon in a tier with Richie & Anthony if I hadn't worded it to be so specific to extraneous website-and-side-channel content. they're all characters I have a lot of fun with when we're seeing them do fun things (updates from Richie, cartoon showstopper shenanigans in bonus videos, etc.) but I don't really care about otherwise.
(Here is the tierlist I used, but I went through and manually added images of characters I wanted to be there that weren't. I forgot to add Pooltrick, I don't really care enough to fix it. He'd be in IDC or maybe Need More Info)
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moderate-brainrot · 3 years
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legion lore is bullshit 😐
But first; some disclaimers
First of all, I literally love the entirety of legion so this is not even remotely hate, in fact it’s genuine care. They deserve so much better that it hurts my brain, and I’m going to complain about the lore until they fix it (which they never will so don’t bother waiting for me to stop).
Secondly, I’m a shitty interpreter. Although the story of DBD is left ambiguous and vague on purpose, there are still some set things that are supposed to be in place. I tend to take a humanistic approach, the same way I did with Lisa and Rin’s backstories, so this could sound like I’m sympathizing, or excusing. That’s not really my intention but also I’m probably biased, I make an effort not to be but! We all make mistakes. Small story details and choices of words tend to mean very little when I’m looking at the lore, so precedents that someone else may have identified might not even be considered important to me. I’m trying to piece together a coherent and interesting conclusion.
I also wanted to note that I will not consider “the legion is out of place!!!! they clash with the entire cast!!!!!” in this whole rant because? it’s stupid as FUCK, nobody complains about ghostface being in the game, and they (unfortunately) are very similar in terms of age group (Danny is implied to be pretty young, not as young Frank though). I think legion fits in alongside the other killers just fine. It really wouldn’t make sense if you only had traditional representations of “evils” anyway. These evils are supposed to come from every corner of the world, it would only make sense if one of the evils happened to be a band of delinquents.
Okay, here we go.
I think the legion is a good idea. A nice concept. I think their powers and perks were thought out and nicely intertwine with their personalities/characters.
HOWEVER,
the lore for them is so shoddily put together that all you really have to piece together an actual character is their appearance. That only really works to some degree. I feel like the players know who the legion are. You can feel what they stand for just by looking at them. They are cynical, unforgiving, and callous just like normal teenagers would be. Except these teenagers are deeply disturbed so they solve their problems with murder.
HOWEVER,
You get NONE of this from the lore. It’s an observation. That’s not exactly the best thing. Your killer shouldn’t have to be explained, but when the lore is left with so many loose ends, you’re asking a lot from the player. There is very little to go off of.
The lore, essentially, is this:
Frequently moved around foster kid, Frank, is looking for an escape from his newest family since the new town is so unbearably boring. He tries to get out by finding another adoptive family but he meets Julie, who is also looking for a way out of the bland town. Frank goes to the parties Julie hosts and meets Joey and Susie (who were SUCH afterthoughts that they don’t even have fucking last names). They start hanging out in this abandoned place, and for whatever reason, Frank suddenly wants to do crime and have his new crew trained into soemthing.... “”powerful””???? They become neighborhood bullies and do delinquent shit.💡 Joey gets fired from his job and Frank says that they should all go vandalize the shit out of it.💡 They go to vandalize it but some janitor guy happens to be there and he grabs Julie, she cries out for help and Frank stabs the janitor in the back because of his.:.. “”dark impulses””...ok.💡 Then Frank says “okay now you guys have to kill him” and Joey stabs the guy in the ribs, Susie however refuses and Julie does it for her until Susie actually has to stab him but Frank moves her hands for her.💡They go to mount ormond (hey) to dispose of the body💡 and They’re digging the janitor’s grave when Frank sees some weird shit in the woods and goes to it and then doesn’t come back.💡 The rest of the legion follow his footprints before they even bury the body which leads to thick fog™️ and now they are killers in the realm.
The lightbulbs are for notes I made while reading the tomes.
💡(1). The legion start off by doing the most juvenile shit. Graffiti, yelling at neighborhood children, and stealing. They don’t sound like deeply evil entities, they sound like pathetic teenage swine, bullies. They’re supposed to be oppressive and unforgiving, but they are too passive to be taken seriously. They should have made it so they were never really killing people but just stabbing people, lots of them. That’s a lot more violent/evil than petty crimes.
💡(2). Frank’s first thought when Joey gets fired is to dare Joey to GRAFFITI HIS FORMER PLACE OF WORK???? NOT KILL HIS BOSS? NOT BURN THE SHOP DOWN? JUST SPRAY PAINT??? You would think that his mind, apparently attractive enough to the entity, would go to darker places than vandalism.
💡(3). Only Frank had these “”dark impulses™️””, so Why are there even four legions instead of just fucking one. He literally had to guilt everyone else to stab the man. He is completely alone in experiencing this impulse.
💡(4). What happened to “It came to a point where they would do anything he asked. Nothing was off-limits when they put their masks on.” ?? Susie downright refused to stab the man the first time she was handed the knife. It was only when Frank guided her hands that she “did it” (which she didn’t because it was Frank controlling the blade). Sure, Frank is manipulative, but the lore can’t decide if he’s good at it or not. The legion seems less like a group and more like a cult with Frank at the forefront. It’s very contradictory.
💡(5). The legion are chaos fiends. That’s their whole thing. Burying the body creates zero chaos or worry anywhere. The dude was a janitor, if you bury him there’s a good chance that nobody will notice which defeats the entire point.
💡(6). Frank goes in first. I really think that’s where it should’ve ended. I think it would make him more evil. He would’ve abandoned his ragtag “troops” to selfishly escape the possible consequences of murder after he made them reliant on him. But since they follow after him, it seems more like they found him rather than he abandoned them.
I think the legion is seen as a group of muderous juveniles who were so bored of their town that they decided to cause as much chaos as possible to make it less unbearable. That’s pretty evil. Way more evil than killing one dude impulsively and bullying kids less than half their ages. It would make sense with their power, why it’s not so focused on killing, but on the bigger picture, spreading fear and pain across a wide scale. This also ties in with their mori. It’s very quick, boring, and underwhelming. This could be because the legion don’t care for killing people that much, they want action, drama, and chaos. Depending on the strategy, you leave the survivors with deep wounds that take time and effort to patch up, when they can do easily be slashed down again, it’s pretty despairing, empty of hope. It’s also a little charming I think it adds to their overall immaturity, moving on looking for more survivors to hit rather than viciously hound your prey and finish them off.
THAT BEING SAID,
The legion’s power makes no sense when it’s not on Frank. In the lore, Frank is the only one who showed any remote desire to kill, but even then it was presented as an impulse, a reflex even. So Why in the fresh HELL would Susie have this power? She didn’t want to kill anybody . Julie and Joey as well. Julie probably only felt guilty and indebted to Frank for saving her, and Joey was literally presented as the guy who likes to show off. Of course he’s not going to be openly reluctant, it would shatter his persona. I really think they got too carried away with the ritualistics surrounding the murder that they forgot character values are a thing. Sure the fact that they all stabbed him is symbolic but their reactions do not match up with the mechanics. They could’ve done so much more with the characters and mechanics if EVERY LEGION HAD THESE “”DARK IMPULSES™️””
They’re given to us in-game as delinquents. So I think they should ALL be punkish dammit!!!!
That’s the end of my rant;
for now.
will probably elaborate some more later but I haven’t slept yet and it’s time for school so ..
囧rz.. anyways
legion love club:
idc if frank is a manipulator he can come manipulate this dick
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drake-the-incubus · 3 years
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I went through my old school notes from grade 9. I have found out several things I didn’t know about my high school experience.
1) I had to keep reminders to myself on how to ask questions, and worded them horribly to myself. Like, genuinely I worded something as to be like, “hey so if you go into detail about your question and what you need explained, you’ll get the right answer, but if you’re being vague, you won’t get the answer you need.” This fucking hurt to read over because I still struggle with this, and I’ve found out why, but it’s still upsetting to read that in my own writing.
2) my writing never changed, I still chicken scratch as I write, but I’ve come to the conclusion that if I slow down, I have really nice and legible writing for other people. I was always slow at note taking and making me write faster didn’t fix the problem, it just meant I had to rewrite my notes over and over until I stopped taking them because they didn’t help and caused me stress. I still don’t take notes, but somehow I retain more information- oh wait it’s because I listen to music and read it over and keep the information on hand if I need it.
3) I constantly got 100s in subjects I struggled with for easy assignments where it was instant reactions, but when it came to thought out responses I would get penalized.
4) I used can’t instead of cannot and had marks taken away in an essay, one that was well thought out and explained, and even went beyond what was needed. I can’t tell you the annoyance I feel that a fourteen year old got penalized for a contraction and not using “well thought out language” in two other placed. I went from 100 to an 87. Fuck you Language Arts teacher, I learned fuck all from ya.
5) My creative writing was fucking trash. I hate looking back on it, but instead of being mad at myself, I’m mad that for all my marks in LA, I failed the provincial exam that year (62% I think) and I absolutely couldn’t write properly. All my work fell short.
6) Asking me to memorize a quote, page and line for said quote, was a dumb exercise. That’s not a skill needed in real life, because you can read the book on hand and quote it from there. Instead it made me so incredibly anxious I failed to write the essays that required said quotes.
7) My takeaway from To Kill A Mockingbird was, “the entire town is fucked up and racist” and I was told, “no that’s not a valid takeaway on why that happened”. Thinking back, 14 y/o me was incredibly aware that no, that was racism and I learned nothing more from the book expect that nothing changed from that time period to now.
8) I had so many notes to myself basically treating myself like shit for not being better, and for not being fast enough and shit. I’d have all these things planned out for reading and writing j never got to because- what a surprise- I was immensely depressed, undiagnosed and received no support from my teachers.
9) I kept telling myself I’d stay organized at the beginning of the school year and could never keep to it as I struggled to even do school work.
10) This System, which I hated so much- and it fucking shows Jesus Christ- was better than my home life and I’d have rather been at school than with my parents. Like I knew it, but the immense amounts of fucked up I experienced at school is like, yeah that’s a litmus test of what the fuck went on at home I forgot it.
I’m looking back and going, “yeah hey, I don’t miss school actually”. Which is a revelation to me. Anyways this came out of wanting to write by hand and going through old binders.
Idc if this gets reblogged but this is a very personal post so it’s nice if nothing got started on it.
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