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punk-is-notdead · 7 days

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20 Questions for Fic Writers

Thanks for tagging me @bayoubodycount, @eyesofatragedy67 and @queerwolfsstuff.

How many works do you have on A03? 115, but that will change soon

What's your total word count? 1,132,676 (how did that happen?)😲 this will also change soon

What fandoms do you write for? Amost exclusively Supernatural and Supernatural RPF, although I have written a fic for Cherry Magic, plus a crossover with Supernatural and What We Do In the Shadows

Top 5 fics by kudos: Long Friggin' Week (co-written with RidinCastielInTheImpala) 1,075 kudos; Closer (Fuck You Like an Animal (co-written with @anyreiart and @queerwolfsstuff) 891 kudos; Mistletoe Mishap (co-written with @anyreiart) 607 kudos; Stop and Smell the Roses 538 kudos; Friends With Benefits? Yeah, Right... 527 kudos

Do you respond to comments? I try, but I've gotten very behind with that lately. My next task is to do just that.

What is the fic you wrote with the angstiest ending? Angsty endings? I don't know them. 😁

What's the fic you wrote with the happiest ending? All of them, but in terms of happy ending compared to the level of angst in the story, I guess either Against the Light or Stop and Smell the Roses.

Do you get hate on fics? I've had the odd unhelpful comment, but I've only had hate once. The commenter didn't like what I'd written, but my dear friend @bayoubodycount quickly leaped to my defence.

Do you write smut? Yes, although lately my solo fics have been smut-free, but I can't really account for it. However, I've signed up for this year's reverse Bang Bang, so I will have to push myself to write smut.

Craziest crossover? What Destiel Does In the Shadows, which is a crossover @anyreiart and I wrote for @queerwolfsstuff's birthday a few years ago. Not just one pair of idiots in love, but two pairs of idiots in love. 😂

Have you ever had a fic stolen? Not that I'm aware of.

Have you ever had a fic translated? Yes, but it was so long ago, I can't remember what fic it was, or what language it was translated into.

Have you ever co-written a fic before? Ohhh, yes. About a third of my fics are co-written, and my biggest collaborator by far is the lovely @eyesofatragedy67, with 15 fics together and counting.

All-time favorite ship? Destiel... they're my OTP. I have other ships that I enjoy, and I'm happy to write Dean and Cas in poly relationships/situations, but destiel has a special place in my heart.

What's a WIP you want to finish but doubt you ever will? I don't have any WIPs... Not on AO3 anyway. On Google Docs though, that's a completely different matter.

What are your writing strengths? Um... dialogue?

What are your writing weaknesses? Description. I struggle with that, and when I read a beautiful piece of description, I wish I'd written it. Also, I'm guilty of endless micro-editing while writing, and despite knowing that I shouldn't do it, it's hard to stop.

Thoughts on dialogue in another language? No, I wouldn't touch that unless I had help from a native speaker.

First fandom you ever wrote in? Supernatural.

Favorite fic you've written? Against the Light. I'm not ashamed to say that I go back and reread it every once in a while, and I think it's a fairly decent piece of writing.

I don't have anyone to tag, as they all tagged me first, or have already done this, but if anyone wants to participate please go ahead.

#tag game #fic writing

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footballmetrics · 7 years

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Football RPF Survey - Writing

This section features the responses to the Writing football fanfiction section of the survey. It follows the Demographics and Reading sections. The first question had 202 responders, while the rest of the section had 102 responders, though the number of responses we received for each question varied since many questions were not mandatory.

We also just wanted to reaffirm that the report is split up in chunks because of its length. In compiling it, we have summarized the responses as we received them for each question, and in some cases reflected on our methodology. However, we have deliberately attempted to present these summaries free from our endorsement and judgment (as best as we can!), and reserved our personal thoughts to the section conclusions, where relevant, in addition to the final part of the overall report to be posted in a few days.

Do you write football fanfiction?

Participants were almost equally divided between those who write fic (102 responders, 50.5%) and those who did not (100 responders, 49.5%). This result may be skewed towards representing more writers proportionally in our survey than there are in football fandom as a whole because of how the survey circulated among our friends and followers, who share our interests as readers and writers, and the way we framed the survey as developing out of of a discussion on Julija’s blog about fic and fandom participation. (But we’re still so excited by just how many writers and readers took the time to respond! We love you.)

Why or why not?

People who do write said that it offers them a creative outlet and that they felt like writing fic allowed them to just write without getting preoccupied about character dynamics (as those were already established). Several people mentioned that they started writing because there were no fics of their OTP and they wanted to fill the void. They also mentioned writing to inspire other people into writing their OTP.

People who don’t write mostly mentioned feeling self-conscious of their English or thought they weren’t creative enough to write. Some mentioned that they don’t really publish stories, because they either don’t finish them or don’t feel like they’ll be appreciated at all.

Is the football fandom the first fandom you wrote fic for?

Of the 102 people surveyed that answered yes, they have written football fic, a majority (74 responses, 72.5%) said that this was not the first fandom they have written for. The remaining 28 responders (27.5%) said that this is the first fandom they wrote fic for.

What is the primary language in which you write fic?

Most say that their primary writing language is English, but there also German, Chinese, Spanish, French and Russian.

In what other languages do you write fic, if any?

People also write in Finnish, Swedish, German, Indonesian and Portuguese.

Approximately how many words of fic did you write last year?

99 responders told us how many words of fic they wrote last year (3 abstained). The categories were based on classifications used for the Nebula Awards, which are included next to each category below:

Short Story: Less than 7,500 words -16 responses (16.2%)

Novelette: 7,500 to 15,000 words -19 (19.2%)

Novella: 15,000 to 40,000 words - 28 (28.3%)

Novel: 40,000 to 75,000 words - 12 (12.1%)

Novel: 75,000 to 100,000 words - 8 (8.1%)

Novel: 100,000 to 150,000 words - 9 (9.1%)

Novel: More than 150,000 words - 7 (7.1%)

For more context and perspective, here are some word counts from famous books to give you a better idea of the novel lengths we’re talking about:

Harry Potter Books Philosopher’s Stone – 77,325 Chamber of Secrets – 84,799 Prisoner of Azkaban – 106,821 Goblet of Fire – 190,858 Order of the Phoenix – 257,154 Half Blood Prince – 169,441 Deathly Hallows – 198,227

Lord of the Rings The Hobbit – 95,022 The Fellowship of the Ring– 187,790 The Two Towers – 143,436 The Return of the King – 134,462

Where do you post your fic? Check all that apply.

A large majority of the 97 survey participants who responded to this question said that they post their fic to AO3 (81, 83.5%). The next most popular platform was Tumblr (35, 36.1%). Some of those who responded ‘Other’ said that they didn’t post their fics publicly, while others cited the website fanfiktion.de.

How do you feel about the quantity feedback you receive for your fics?

When asked to rate their feelings about the quantity of feedback received for their fics in football fandom, 92 writers responded that they felt:

Very unsatisfied - 2 (2.2%)

Unsatisfied - 27 (29.3%)

Ambivalent, neither satisfied nor unsatisfied - 33 (35.9%)

Satisfied - 23 (25%)

Very satisfied - 7 (7.6%)

How do you feel about the quality of feedback you receive for your fics?

When asked to rate their feelings about the quality of feedback received for their fics in football fandom, 89 writers responded that they felt:

Very unsatisfied - 0 (0%)

Unsatisfied - 9 (10.1%)

Ambivalent, neither satisfied nor unsatisfied - 23 (25.8%)

Satisfied - 38 (42.7%)

Very satisfied - 19 (21.3%)

Based on the previous questions, describe why you feel that way about the feedback you receive.

The responses to this question really vary and seem diametrically opposed in some ways.

A few people mentioned that while they got a relatively small amount of feedback in terms of kudos and comments, they were very happy and grateful for the comments they did receive, because they felt like they were more detailed and insightful than what they’d had in previous fandoms.

Several reported that the ratio of hits to kudos frequently felt discouraging. Some found the number of people commenting was very low. Someone mentioned that their long fic had more people subscribed than it had comments, and that this made them feel really awful. People also mentioned finding demands for updates instead of encouragement really discouraging. Someone mentioned seeing instances where a work that's only 400 words long with the same players they write about get the same of not more amount of kudos for a work they wrote that's much longer and with much more effort (or what they feel is effortful), and how discouraging that felt.

Someone mentioned that they occasionally find people who enjoyed their fic but haven't left any comments, which irks them, because it feels like they're not on the same page. They said that fics don't appear out of nowhere and if you want them, it'd probably be good to leave a thanks.

A lot of people mentioned that they would like more comments with constructive criticism in them, so they could improve as writers.

Several people said that they wrote and published mostly for themselves and a close group of friends, and didn’t feel like they needed feedback, though they appreciate it.

Several authors seem resigned to getting a low amount of comments for writing niche or rare pairings.

What are the biggest problems you face when writing fic? Check all that apply.

Many writers said that two of the biggest problems they faced when writing fic were finishing an idea or a fic (81 responders, 80.2%) and lack of time (75, 74.3%). Of the 101 responses to this question, writers also faced these common obstacles to finishing their fic:

Prompts, or coming up with ideas - 27 (26.7%)

Lack of feedback - 38 (37.6%)

Lack of encouragement or support during the writing process - 25 (24.8%)

Language (if not writing in their first language) - 15 (14.9%)

Grammar - 13 (12.9%)

Loss of interest - 30 (29.7%)

Some responders emphasized the lack of time being their major stumbling block. Additional problems that were cited included: mental health; self-motivation or dealing with distractions; a lack of feedback and/or beta readers before publishing; and getting stuck in the research or editing processes.

How do you think writing in the football fandom compares to writing for other fandoms?

A few people mentioned that considering the size of the fandom, the readers are very receptive and make an effort to comment. Most notably, authors comment on other authors' fics, which they’ve rarely seen in other fandoms. A lot of people also mentioned that the people in the football fandom were very nice, a lot nicer than elsewhere.

Someone also mentioned that, because it’s a RPF fandom, there’s always this very real fear of it being uncovered by the people involved, and the authors being sued or humiliated somehow. They also felt that there's an extra level of social pariah-ness when it comes to RPF fandoms and that people who have been writing shameless slash fic in other fandoms for years were still appalled that anyone would write or ship real people. And add that to "mainstream" football fans being predominantly homophobic sexist white men, who really want to make fun of women for literally anything when it comes to engaging with football and you definitely have to be a lot more careful about football writing than other fandoms.

What do you think would improve your experience in fandom as an author?

The overwhelming consensus here was that fandom would be helped by more feedback, in the shape of comments. Several people mentioned getting discouraged by the lack of comments, and feeling like they’re putting their writing into a void.

Another common answer was that people really wanted more ficathons or writing challenges, because things like that would help to keep them motivated.

There was also requests for a closer writing community, somewhere where writers could talk amongst themselves about fic and meta, and where beta readers could be found. Just somewhere that your idea could be supported and validated, because support during the writing stage is important. Someone also mentioned that it would be useful to have a different place to promote works, like on ao3, on tumblr, a community and on rec lists.

A few people mentioned that a timeline or an information community should be established, to allow for easier research and fact checking for authors.

Someone mentioned that they would like the tagging system on AO3 to split men's and women's football RPF, or to have a better tagging system between clubs and national teams.

Someone also felt like it might help if there were more fic recs of other people's fandoms, especially by popular blogs/writers to bring more exposure to the smaller ships, for example through rarepair events, author spotlights (placing focus on the authors and their beautiful writing rather than just the ship) - basically having specific targeted support for fics with few followers. And less tribalism in fic, where people would be more willing to read fics that aren’t from their team, but have beautiful writing.

Conclusion

I feel like we consistently fail to impress upon the reader how much comments and support means to most authors (I recognize that there are authors who find this sort of thing anxiety inducing, and I’d never want to exclude them - if an author asks for you not to give them feedback, don’t do it). But a large majority of us, writing in this fandom, are becoming really discouraged by the lack of visibility our fic gets and I feel like at least a little bit of it comes from readers who have become used to getting things for free.

I don’t think people who don’t write realize how much time and commitment goes into it, and I wouldn’t expect them to think about that when they read. But I know for myself that lack of feedback has driven me out of fandoms before, and I’m feel that if this goes on as it is, this might happen to more people.

I think in light of this, it might not be unusual that people are noticing that a lot of the best comments come from other authors - we know how much it means. We could keep on trying to tell our readers how discouraged we are (and we should), but I’m wondering if it’s really the best way to go about things? We can’t control what they do and a lot of people who read fic don’t really have tumblr accounts, so they won’t see us talking about it.

We can only control ourselves. And after a few conversations I’ve had this month, I’m convinced that improving conditions in our writing community and making it stronger, could do a lot more in helping us produce more and better works than relying on feedback from readers.

To do this, we should make up a list of football RPF writers on tumblr with their ao3 account linked next to them, so that at least that way we know who’s RPF safe in a way. We’re also trying to figure out a solid beta reader system, where hopefully everyone could find someone to cheer them on or at least correct their grammar. Another thing that would help is having more ficathons and exchanges, and looking through the fics gathered in the end and commenting on them.

Another thing that was mentioned as a problem was the lack of idea and prompts, and to solve this, we’re planning to launch a monthly prompt community that will hopefully encourage this.

But the biggest problem mentioned is the lack of support and feedback during the writing process. For this, I think, us writers need to do a bit of promotion for ourselves.

The first thing you can do is to link your tumblr/twitter to your ao3 profile, as well as in the bottom notes of your fic. Tumblr is good for fandom content, but if you have an active twitter accounts, in my experience, that’s better for building up interpersonal relationships.

Choose a time where your dash is more active and describe a fic premise you’re thinking about. Getting positive encouragement from someone will help keep you on track. If you want, blog about your fic writing process. It’ll keep you accountable and people will hopefully respond to it with enthusiasm. If you have a blog that you might not want to put RPF on because you’re afraid of backlash, make a writing blog and tell people about it.

Basically, don’t hold your fic ideas inside.

Several people mentioned missing some sort of timeline for research and info about clubs and players. I think having a primer centered community would be helpful for that? If anyone is interested in running something like that, send me an ask or a message and maybe we can work something out.

To the people, who mentioned they wanted more constructive criticism: in my experience in fandom as it is right now, people won’t give you unsolicited critique, because there’s a silent rule that this is considered to be rude. If you want constructive criticism on your work, please specify this in the notes of your fic.

We should also be encouraging more people to get ao3 accounts, because that would allow for writers to feel comfortable posting locked content and they won’t be worried about a fallout in kudos or comments.

I don’t think that we can get the male and female football tags split up, but it’s definitely possible to tag the club you’re writing about in the ‘additional tags’ box, which is something I’ve been trying to do recently. That way it would be easier for readers of a specific club to find all the pairings of it.

We have more plans on how to fix this, which we’ll describe more in depth in our last post of this report. Join us again tomorrow, on the @footballmetrics blog, for the Final thoughts football fanfiction section. As ever, feel free to leave your comments in the reblogs or contact us via the askbox.

#football fandometrics #writing section #report

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iosihexa · 7 years

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some stuff about youtube fandoms

(Some rambling about fandom culture. This is not meant to be taken seriously or reblogged or anything like that, it’s just.....something that i randomly decided to do. Because it’s chinese new year and I’ve been watching dnp all day. Text under the readmore.)

Youtube, condensed as one large mega-fandom, is arguably the worst collection of people on the internet ON AVERAGE (i know some wonderful people from youtube fandoms, but there are a heckload of pretty awful ones......) because it's so accessible to both fans and creators; at some point people kind of got this odd misconception that being a Youtuber is a- not surefire, per se, but an "easier" way to get a large following, probably because of the examples we have case-in-point (most popular ones just talk about stuff and play games which is a gross oversimplification of their job, but anyways. that's how people see it), as well as the common mindset that "just filming videos all day at home must be great, if it's what you love".

So on one hand you have people, amateurs who believe they can be the next Pewdiepie or Zoella or something, and I'm not discrediting any of their (the amateurs') work- but you have to acknowledge that it takes not only skill and hard work but also a great deal of luck and also, ahem, a little bit of the thing we call the 'genetic lottery' - there's a reason why there are so many popular youtubers who are attractive white dudes. You have these mostly-unsuccessful amateurs, trying to cater to an already-formed audience (many current popular Youtubers have been around since the early days, 2006 - 2008, essentially, and it’s definitely worth noting that being around for the beginnings of the site has resulted in shaping the development of Youtube fandom in and out) and you know what these amateurs also are?

They're fans.

And the fanbase is so widespread and diverse, because it's one of the only truly globally accessible modern media fanbases, because everyone watches Youtube videos, uses Youtube- watching music videos, tutorials, memes, reviews, EVERYTHING, so there's a high chance that everyone you talk to will have at least watched one Youtube video in their life, because a member of family wanted to show them something funny, or they needed to know how to do something, etc. And as shown with TV, the visual medium of Youtube; that is to say, the video, combined with the average Youtuber's vlog length or whatever- between 2-3 minutes and like 15 minutes maximum, makes it the perfect global form of consumable media that caters to the widest audience possible. Short, easier to take in than, say, a book or an episode of anime, due to the general lack of continued storyline, and tailored perfectly to fit the demands of the every-growing consumer market. It's also a lot easier for international fans to try to follow along and understand someone who's talking and using body language and making use of a visual medium than it is to read a book or play a dialogue-driven video game.

And since the Youtube community is so easy to access, for EVERYONE, that means a great deal of aspiring kids are willing to go on and give it a go, or at least make accounts and become those annoying "LMAO!!! XDDDD" comments in the dregs of every youtube video comment section.

The thing is also that a great deal of Youtube fans haven't been exposed to "non-cringey" forms of entertainment, and even still some haven't gotten out of their 2010 phases, so they still make crappy rape jokes and say things like "damn you len!!!" on every video. Because Youtube is so accessible and older videos are just as easy to find as newer ones, so people easily pick up vernacular and various slang trends from 5 years ago.

You can compare this to any other type of fandom: we have the east asia pop culture side; ie. anime and K-pop. Both of which are harder to get to because of the cultural and language gaps, and the fact that they're still a lot less common to run across these days than say, a comedy sketch on the front page of Youtube that your friend showed you, rather than the esoteric niche interests of quirky teenagers who like rewatching Neon Genesis Evangelion in their spare time.

Another example is TV shows, the most prominent being the Supernatural / Doctor Who / BBC Sherlock fandom, which, i must admit, has died down a little at least in recent years. These fandoms come close to Youtube mainly because of the target audience (12-16 year olds consume it best, but there are a lot of older and sometimes younger fans who enjoy it too) and the fact that being popular and broadcast on widespread TV channels in a lot of countries does make it so that 11 year olds try to join tumblr and make up a fake age using a year of birth a few decades before they were born so that they can access that sweet, sweet Destiel content. Or something. I don't know anything about Supernatural.

So, to condense my entire 1000+ word ramble on why Youtube is the most generally unpleasant fandom on the Internet, it comes down to this: As a largely easy-to-consume, widespread media form, it does its job exceedingly well, which allows for a wide variety of people to join Youtube as opposed to consuming content for other, more niche interests. Not that mainstream TV is niche or anything, but Youtube is according to your own time, and TV is not scheduled at the most convenient time for everyone.

This level of accessibility makes it so that it's a lot easier, through the medium and interface of Youtube, with the convenience of the comments and replies section, the likes and dislikes buttons, playlists, recommendations, subscriptions and the like, for anyone to express their opinions, without filtering out the large demographic of younger and perhaps not quite as well worded members of the Internet. The fact that pretty much all of it is completely, totally unmoderated probably doesn't help, either.

Youtube is good, great even, but the fandoms held within are essentially like that feeling you get when you're on a plane and you want to throw up- cold sweats, waves of nausea, generally trying to control your breathing so as to not act upon the sudden desire to expel everything you've eaten for the past 24 hours, wishing it'd all be over already- yeah, that. Oh, but also the euphoria you get when the sickness passes. There was a metaphor in there somewhere.

Edit: I forgot to address another part of why Youtube fandoms are notorious: the ridiculous prevalence of shipping and the unbelievable scope for discourse.

The thing is, that whilst there are a great deal of fans who have evaluated their choices properly regarding various topics, there are plenty of people who haven’t thought about the way their own fan-created content affects the rest of the Internet and, indeed, the original creators, the Youtubers who are at the centre of the fandom. For Dan and Phil, this doesn’t seem to be much of a problem- Dan has expressly endorsed the creation of phan content, in the interest of allowing people to nurture their own creative vices. I don’t have a particularly strong stance in this particular discourse, but there are many, many people who are largely against shipping Youtubers, out of all real-life people fandoms, because Youtubers are the most connected to their fanbase- a lot of source material comes from the fans, and indeed the content of the creators is very much shaped by the nature of the fandom, and vice verse, of course. Youtubers are pretty much guaranteed to have a strong notion as to the general sway of the fandom - whether it be the astonishing prevalence of people that ship you with your best friend / roommate, or not.

Fictional characters are mostly harmless; people don’t have much of a problem with shipping them for fear of hurting real people’s feelings (excluding the widespread homophobia debate, but that’s something for another time.) However, when real-life people come into play, it’s probably quite natural for people to take a few moments and look at fandoms, Youtube fandoms, which focus on real life people, and step back to say, “Hey, is it really on the same level as the people who ship fictional characters?”

And thus is the nature of people’s perspectives regarding the Youtube RPFs.

#iositext #god dont read this. it's not a serious thing its just....thoughts. word spew #OP

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yessoupy · 7 years

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con’t from here

@thebiggestfanoffans continues with

Some of the Larries’ hypocricy is beyond belief, just recently, in the light of Louis’ arrest, I wrote a long ass rant to someone in the fandom (not mentioning names):

the next three paragraphs are about james arthur, about whom I know nothing and don’t care (don’t send me anons explaining this, literally don’t care). I’ll go ahead and post the paragraphs here so if any of the rest of you care, you can have the full post. I’d excise them altogether, but the following paragraph links this rant to “the anti side” so. I guess it’s relevant.

“The hypocrisy in this fandom is fucking unbelievable. I see posts saying "be a decent human being and respect others” while the same people, in any other time literally shittalk on people just because they don’t like them. Remember James Arthur? Where was your respect then? I understand that he said nasty things, I disagree with him just like everyone else. But they took it another level and literally dragged his name through the dirt. Simon? Dan? Eleanor? Brianna &co? etc? Same. […]

“I like James’ music, I think he’s a talented artist, not a great spokesperson, but his music has nothing to do with that. Then people posted “don’t support James/if you listen to James you’re just as bad as him”, etc. The X Factor? I LOVE it. […] I find it amusing and enjoyable, same with BGT. posts? “YES FINALLY SIMON’S DISGUSTIN SHOW IS ENDING”. Don’t watch TXF, it’s the creature of the Devil himself. Literally anyone who ever said a bad word about the boys is a dusgusting piece of shit for this fandom, and they promote/manipulate you not to like their stuff. […]

"I don’t like a lot of people, but I’m mature and “decent human being” enough that I treat them with respect, even at their lowest. […] Because I’m not in highschool anymore, because I HAVE respect to people and I AM a decent human being, who understands that people are sometimes nasty, but they’re still people, and you treat EVERYONE EQUALLY RESPECTFUL.”

It goes the same for the anti side. Now, there is some equally nasty shit, and I have very mixed feelings about this.

Here is where we get into the nitty gritty details, mr. bojangles. first, an aristotelian categorization of blogtypes in 1D fandom. come sit close, little ducklings, and listen carefully.

Looking blogtype-wise, for one, there are the anti blogs, who post 1d content, but don’t ship larry*, others who post about 1d and are vocal about larries** and those whose blog - like yours in a way - that only/the main focus is on posts about larries.

*they don’t vocalize it, just say they don’t ship it when it comes up **are actively speak up against larries

(if we talk about larry blog types, its gonna be relevant later: neutrals, who think the ship is cute but don’t get involved; those who don’t share the conspiracies but ship; those who share the conspiracies but don’t blog about it (“drama free”), and those who are vocal about everything (here are most of “big” larries, but countless smaller blogs as well))

From these three kind of “anti blogs” the only one I have no comment on are the first ones, obviously (even though many times even they get down on a level that I find utterly disrespectful, but its rare).

For the record, you’ve got my blog wrong. As stated before, you’ve clearly not read my blog for very long, nor read my header. I understand that your interest is 1D-centric, but I’ve posted about the Olympics, my own life, politics, BASEBALL, star wars, etc. It’s a multi-fandom blog that is currently showing a lot of anti content -- that might have SOMETHING to do with the fact that larries put 400 notes on one of my posts and harassed me about it. That might explain why on Sunday night I was answering nasty anons with “fuck larries.” I was fucking heated. You would be too if ignorant fucks compared you to Hitler the day after you’d run across a larrie who quite genuinely supports fascists and spoken to an influential larrie who couldn’t see why following this person was unacceptable. “Me? I’M the fascist anti-Semite???” I definitely ramped up my anti content after Jay passed away and larries used that to bolster their theories. (More about that later.)

“Drama free” larrie blogs are fucking dangerous as well, because they hide the disrespect that is inherent in the conspiracy theorism. Anyone saying, “it’s my beliefs, leave me alone” is just as much a problem as the ones who I’ve blocked on twitter because they’re in Louis’s mentions with “larry this” and “larry that.” (More about this later, too.)

Now, I have been in a few fandoms, I thinks thats why its a good common ground we’re talking on, because you can’t speak down on me, and I don’t mean it offensive, just an observation - so lets note, that I have, through my fair share of fandom experience, never, once witnessed fandom vs. fandom this intensely. Just for the record. Alright.

I’ll ignore your stated assumption that I would be condescending to you, and add here that I have never witnessed this either, having been in multiple fandoms, RPF and otherwise, for 19 years.

So, the blogs that post about 1d AND are antis, whenever I have been on one of those blogs, most of the time are agressive and unneceseraly hateful towards anons who ask a larry related question. Again, I find it utterly disrespectful to talk to any person in such manner despite who they are.

There’s a big difference between a larry-related question and a larrie-related question. I would have 0 problem answering questions about larry. As a ship, not as a conspiracy theory. But in my personal experience with the various larries I’ve interacted with here on tumblr in messages and on twitter in DM’s, a larrie is never asking a genuine question. NEVER. My actions are due to my experience. In the beginning, I truly thought it would be possible to convince conspiracy theorists that they are wrong. Maybe if I became friends with them that would help! We could have genuine conversations. And with one, I truly thought I was making progress. We’d DM about other things too, not just larry, but then Daisy touched her face in an instagram live and no matter how many times I explained, with screencaps and outlining all the logical fallacies involved with that “proof,” no matter how many times i explained it, the larrie with whom I’d built trust refused to accept it. So what’s the fucking point? I had been ignoring every. single. thing. I’d read about the psychology of conspiracy theorism -- they all say, don’t bother arguing the facts with them. Don’t bother debunking their claims because their CT is inherently unfalsifiable. When the guy took the gun into the pizza parlor to free the child sex trafficking victims from the clutches of Hillary Clinton, I tweeted that the CT’s are just going to say he’s a plant, even though he proved their theory wrong. And that’s what happened. Every single thing that proves that larry isn’t real is folded into the conspiracy theory somehow as a proof that it IS real. I was arrogant to assume I could do better. So no matter what I say, no matter what @lrambling or @thelarrative say, none of us are going to EVER sufficiently prove to larries that what they believe isn’t true. It’s by definition impossible.

So why the fuck does anyone bother with debunks? To prevent the creation of new larries. If 1D had broken up and everyone said “fuck this, we’re retiring and never playing another song again,” who cares, right? Interest will die out. But every single one of them are going solo. They all are appealing to different fanbases. There will be a huge influx of new fans who will end up on tumblr trying to figure out what the fandom is like. And they will be met by larries. After my notes were infested by larries and I ventured to their blogs to blog them, I noticed that many have a link in their bio labeled “New to fandom? Click here!” or some such. And the links lead to masterpost “proofs.” If our debunks are out there, there’s a better shot that they don’t fall into the conspiracy theorism as well.

tbc here

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