:( I hate how in punk and goth culture shit like that is so normalized :( going to read the article you shared. Joey Ramone was Jewish so when I found out that Johnny Ramone collected nazi memorabilia I was like WTF???

i know :( i think people should basically take it as a red flag by default when a subculture is both obsessed with being 'provocative' or whatever + its overwhelmingly dominated by white men. not that theres something inherently wrong with the first part per se but if you combine it with the second part then you get scenes full of this stuff where its almost par for the course, so like although theres some normal people in there you cant really safely assume any kind of basic decency from them -__- its really fucked up like theres lots of similar cases to the ramones too where they literally had jewish people around them sometimes very close like w michael jackson in the article as well and its like a lot easier to justify oh well nazism was just this abstract concept to them that they just knew really pissed people off or whatever (not that thats like good obviously but that seems to always be the main excuse offered...) like thats next level cruel and absurd ... but i for real have deja vu because theres literally wayyyy too many alternative musicians who were/are specifically really into collecting nazi memorabilia its like a specific phenomenon and when it gets to a place where ur dropping 1000s on physical relics of nazism which you are bringing into your home and displaying it i mean what even !!!!! i just dont think we are harsh enough on these people tbh like lemmy from motorhead shouldve been thrown in jail or something