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And now for something completely different!
Just a nice little rant about misogyny in television production, and the reckoning it will (hopefully) continue to face due to the rise of social media.
Have any of you been watching the behind-the-scenes drama around “Law and Order: SVU” unfold?
Within the last 48 hours, between rumors, social media posts, and DMs we’ve learned:
Rumor: Kelli Giddish (KG) who has been on SVU for 12 years might be leaving the show
Confirmed: KG posted a heartfelt yet vague confirmation that she has seen the rumors and this is indeed her last season
Comments: Response to her post is wild because, in case you didn’t know, people love SVU. America’s longest-running television something.
Attack: People start blaming the new Showrunner, who is starting this season
Response: The Showrunner actually engages with commenters, says they don’t know the whole story…
Huh?
DMs: People who know people who work on the show start sliding into people’s DMs, stating that KG was fired, supposedly because of salary negotiations, but primarily because she was too old
Validation: Industry pubs, like Variety, pick up the story, including the factoid that Mariska Hargitay (aka Olivia Benson, 22 year SVU veteran and a producer on the show) were opposed to the firing
Realization: The Internet collectively realizes that Dick Wolf (creator) is likely to blame, due to his poor treatment of past actors, including Sophia Bush being forced out of the Chicago franchise, a willingness to continue to work with actors accused of sexual assault, the letting go of POC, etc.
The Limited Response: Mariska Hargitay posts an old photo of herself and KG to her Instagram stories with zero context
The Reckoning? There seems to be a push right now to hold Dick Wolf responsible. It will be interesting to see what happens there.
After all, he’s been bullying Mariska Hargitay for decades, and she’s desensitized enough to think it’s a funny story…
#this is not foster care#seriously this is totally off topic#svu#law and order svu#kelli giddish#kelli giddish fired#kelli giddish firing
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I have so much sympathy for Kelli Giddish, and I hate that she has not left voluntarily and is being treated this way just because she dares to keep getting paid what she deserves.
If it is the same case for Jesse Lee Soffer, then I am also appalled at his treatment.
However, I am incredibly frustrated as this has been happening to other people on Dick Wolf shows for a long time now, particularly POC and WOC, and yet this is the first time the fans and the media are making a big deal about it.
Annie (Emily) from Chicago Fire didn’t return because her team and the show couldn’t agree on what she should be paid. And she’s just one example.
I have so much sympathy for the actors and the fans, but where was this support and outrage for the other people, particularly WOC and POC?
WOC and POC deserve to be given the same support as their white counterparts. Frankly, they deserve even more support.
#kelli giddish#jesse lee soffer#annie ilonzeh#dick wolf#woc#poc#people of colour#women of colour#law and order svu#chicago pd#chicago fire#amanda rollins#jay halstead#emily foster#law and order#one chicago
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this is truly just the worst year for tv. so many shows i watched for freaking years are just ruined for me and it feels so weird to not watch them anymore but i’m over it. between jesse, jimmy and kelli i’m just sad and trying to find something else to think about yes they’re just tv shows but shows are how i get through my shitty life
#chicago fire#chicago pd#law and order special victims unit#svu#hawkami#kelli giddish#jesse lee soffer#jimmy nicholas
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In another universe, Rollins & Kidd worked on a case together while she was in New York during S10 of Chicago Fire & S23 of SVU
#Kelli Giddish#Miranda Rae Mayo#Amanda Rollins#Stella Kidd#Wolf Universe#SVU#Law and Order SVU#Law and Order Special Victims Unit#Chicago Fire
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this kelli giddish departure news is giving me unhealthy flashbacks to aj cook and paget brewster leaving criminal minds and i don't like it, both didn't want to leave, both got replaced with younger and cheaper actresses, and both allegedly weren't gonna get paid enough and got pushed out, one can only hope the same outcry happens and it gets fixed 🤞
#but if the rumors are true than dick wolf is scum#reminds me of when he killed the only lesbian on oc and then fired another one on svu :))))))))#svu#dick wolf#amanda rollins#kelli giddish#law and order svu
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NBC's Law & Order Franchise -- A Franchise in Disarray
NBC's Law & Order franchise (which started with the original series in 1990) has seen numerous changes over the years, but in this post-COVID-19 era of television, some of these new changes are not for the good.
The Law & Order 2022 reboot is lacking what made it's original run legacy television, Special Victims Unit lost a beloved show runner/executive producer (Warren Leight who decided the leave at the end of season 23) and cast member (Kelli Giddish, who was fired at the start of season 24, which later resulted in controversy as details of her firing came to light), and Organized Crime which has had a revolving door of show runners/executive producers since it's inception BEFORE it even made it to air.
I'm going to start in sequential order in which negative change [IN MY OPINION] came into play with this once beloved TV franchise that was once taglined by critics and press as "Must See TV/Most Watched Television"
Please Click the read more tab below to read my thoughts on the brand and what I feel can be done to correct the course of the brand, before it's too late... hang on to your seats!
Law & Order: Organized Crime (2021-present, season 3) - a Disorganized Mess.
The Christopher Meloni led series has had numerous complications behind the scenes since the show's inception pre-production. Chicago P.D.'s Matt Olmstead co-created the show with Dick Wolf (and later Ilene Chaiken) and Olmstead left the production after the pilot ("What Happens in Puglia") to be replaced by Chaiken (of The L Word fame). Law & Order: OC never started with much of a premise and a way to establish itself as it started with Stabler mostly bringing Kathy Stabler's killers (the Wheatley's: portrayed by Dylan McDermott and Tamara Taylor) to justice. And in between that, Stabler and the unit going in and out of undercover assignments. The Organized Crime Control Bureau has never really been fleshed out since the series start; season 3 brought some new detectives into the fold to assist with that but storylines in the serialized series have been all over the place.
While Organized Crime was meant to distance itself from the formula of the Law & Order brand, it doesn't feel like a Law & Order show - it feels more like the Stabler show to where we mostly see Stabler as IMO this almost vigilante cop seeking retribution, in this day and age (and Stabler's because he should definitely be matured from this kind of mindset), it doesn't work. This show lacks "the Law & Order feel" (title cards don't even exist in this show except for one episode, "Gimmie Shelter") and I believe it's why the series doesn't hold audience much as SVU or even the rebooted mothership.
It doesn't help that the show is now on it's 6th show runner, being SVU's David Graziano (who is surrounded by a controversy of his own that seems to be being pushed under the rug and ignored by higher ups at the network and at Wolf Entertainment). Olmstead, Chaiken, Barry O'Brien, Bryan Goluboff from SVU, Sean Jablonski and now Graziano. What ever is going on behind the scenes at OC needs to come to a full stop otherwise this show won't make it to syndication status (5 seasons, 100 episodes). This show has a super talented cast that deserve the best; Danielle Moné Truitt and Ainsley Sieger absolutely shine!
Law & Order (reboot 2022-present, season 2) - more like crash & burn.
Now this show is really pushing my buttons and it's only because of how the stories are being written for this reboot starting from the very first episode. Dick Wolf and the network decided to give the mothership it's very much deserved second chance (it never should have been canceled) and they've managed to put together a stellar cast out of Jeffery Donovan (Burn Notice), Hugh Dancy (Hannibal), Odelya Halevi, and Camryn Manheim. Sam Waterston returned as Jack McCoy and this season Mehcad Brooks (Supergirl, Necessary Roughness) replaced Anthony Anderson who only opted to do one season.
I'm not going to sugar coat this, making Rick Eid (who 'developed' a show that was already developed once back in 1988/1990 when he was still in grade school - it's a reboot where nothing has changed formula wise!) the show runner/EP over this series is a very poor business decision. Eid has had a poor history within the Law & Order franchise itself. He was part of a writing team that Dick Wolf and the network had to intervene and dismiss back in 2007 due to declining ratings on mother ship due to the decline in the quality of the writing at that time, Wolf made him show runner over Law & Order: SVU's 18th season and Eid "had to move on [to Chicago P.D.]", basically for the same reason. The. Same. Reason. It's a case of "Fool me once, fool me twice," we're on the 3rd now.
From the minute "The Right Thing" hit the airwaves, I knew it was 2007/2016 all over again! The reboot storylines are tone-deaf, have massive plot holes, pull directly from the headlines without much deviance, skew to certain political leanings (hard left and right) and is shoved into the faces of viewers, and problems with legal strategy that actually go against the actual law and procedures that wouldn't even wash in an actual courtroom (and yes I am aware it's work of fiction but that is why they have legal advisors on the payroll - or at least I hope).
And the characters? Caricatures. I can't really root for any of them - Samantha Maroun & Jalen Shaw (Halevi & Brooks who are great) are the closet ones who are actually being fleshed out as characters that can be relatable/likable. Cosgrove and Price need work bad! Cosgrove is basically a more hard-core Elliot Stabler with a thick Bronx accent in one episode and then another episode he's a young Lennie Briscoe/Michael Westen from Burn Notice mix; it's not consistent. Most seem to prefer him portraying Cosgrove in a Michael Westen-ish style as opposed to Stabler 2.0 (if that's the case swap Donovan and Meloni).
Nolan Price? I don't know where to start. Who is Nolan Price? I don't know honestly but I can tell you he is NOT a great prosecutor. He's no Mike Cutter, McCoy or even Ben or Peter Stone. Price is written just as inconsistent as Cosgrove is and the cases as they make it to court and trial make Price worse, because it seems ambition and wanting to win is the only thing this character has. "Bias" that just aired showcased Price as a colleague was murdered and he had a personal investment in the case. He should have be recused and maybe even suspended due to his misconduct. And Price's arrogance in this episode, telling Jack McCoy that he let him run with the case because "I'm the best." I love Hugh Dancy and he's a magnificent actor but this writing is hurting this role for him in my view.
And speaking of McCoy, where the hell is he? I understand Sam Waterston can't do what he was doing back in 2007 in the courtroom scenes and he is the district attorney but my goodness, his scenes "lack meat" now, it's all bone. Jack says something pithy about the case, yells a little, and walks out his office/elevator/outside. Eid said in an interview that he wanted McCoy to walk in the shoes of Adam Schiff (Steven Hill), if that's the case Schiff was way more involved in his prosecutors cases and had more say in the direction the cases go. Again, it goes back to the writing.
Unlike on OC, Law & Order could use a show runner change, and it could use it ASAP, because what's airing as quality in this reboot is tarnishing the legacy that the original mothership established.
Law & Order: Special Victims Unit (1999-present, season 24) - what is going on behind the scenes and on screen is especially heinous.
Warren Leight's departure last year was the catalyst, however Kelli Giddish's firing was the irresistible force slamming the immovable object - so to speak. Kelli Giddish was fired in place of Wolf/NBC wanting younger blood (Molly Burnett, Days of our Lives); not even a year prior Wolf/NBC faced a form of backlash after dropping two cast members of color - Demore Barnes and Jamie Gray Hyder - in exchange for one male (Octavio Pisano). Star Mariska Hargitay tried to step in to keep Kelli on the show but she was overruled by Wolf and the network.
Meanwhile something that hasn't been overruled but more overlooked; new show runner David Graziano's prior and current accusations of bullying, misogyny, and toxic behavior on sets and behind the scenes of show's he's worked on, including SVU. Graziano took to his Instagram to try and 'explain' his accusations but he did not deny them. How can you write and supervise any kind of story about women's empowerment, healing after trauma and sexual assault, inclusiveness, and justice as someone who has/is doing personal actions against that very stance? And how can Dick Wolf and NBC over look it? Money talks in short. He's also running OC for the last 3 episodes in this season.
That aside which is problematic of itself, like the mother ship, the storylines on SVU have taken a turn sideways. Season 24 started off pretty solid, it wasn't the best it's been in it's prime and younger years (S3-7, and again S13-17), but it was passable to view. Now? Post-Kelli Giddish it seems like the focus is on Muncy (Burnett), Velasco (Pisano) and the recurring guest cast (Kevin Kane and Jasmine Batchelor); ICE T and Peter Scanavino's screen time is noticeably decreased this season than season's past. And like mothership's storylines, inconsistency is on display in full view.
Under Graziano in his first 6 episodes (Gimmie Shelter is written by Rick Eid and Gwen Sigan as part of the season premiere crossover) were the solid ones, even before Kelli's last episode I felt a change in tone coming into play; and coming off of the season's Bronx trilogy its even more noticeable. It's like it's a mix of Eid's season 18 and some other show that's NOT SVU. The focus has gone off of the survivors, veteran characters, the pursuit of the worst criminal offenders, the pursuit of justice and the unit itself. SVU has gone off of the rails and if they want this show to continue to break records and preserve the legacy that it has both on and off screen, they better make some changes fast. SVU's ratings haven't exactly decreased but all this 'change' could soon have a negative impact on them; SVU's dominate the entire franchise right now as a show that's consistently been on air for 24 years now in a changing TV landscape.
In summary/my suggestion(s): the Law & Order franchise needs to undergo some major changes behind the scenes, starting with the gentlemen running these shows. I don't directly want to call for the dismissal of show runners/executive producers Rick Eid and David Graziano (certainly from SVU) but I do feel this is the start absent them being given a different set of marching orders that they should follow (not likely). The issues I brought up above only touch the surface, I don't want to sound nit-picky but things could and should be better.
This franchise is 33 years old and still going, and it could go longer and further but if there aren't any immediate changes that make an impact and turn things around, and the shows keep going about as they are: this franchise won't be around much longer. "The Story Is Everything" is what Dick Wolf has said about the L&O brand and NBC even used that as a tagline during the prime years on the network 2003-2007. That's where the investment needs to start.
#Law & Order#Law & Order: SVU#Law & Order: Organized Crime#Law & Order: OC#Organized Crime#L&O#SVU#Law & Order: Special Victims Unit#NBC#Mariska Hargitay#Christopher Meloni#Sam Waterstoon#Hugh Dancy#Mehcad Brooks#David Graziano#Rick Eid#Dick Wolf#Peacock
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According to deuxmoi, word around Chicago is Jesse wanted out for a while. So, it might have really been his decision. Which is bad timing with the Kelli Giddish firing.
This ramble got long, so…
If it was Jesse's choice to leave, I don't blame him one bit. Ten seasons is a long time for an actor to play the same role. Especially on a show that demands as much time and energy as PD. Especially if they stick with the recent format where he gets a featured role in 2-4 episodes a year, and for the other 18 episodes gets 2 lines of dialogue. Especially if they're planning to be like Law & Order and continue for 10 more seasons. If he wants to get out and do something else while he's still young I don't blame him one bit. Even if he just needs an extended break, that is totally valid and I fully support it.
The way it was announced feels weird though. If this has really been in the works for a while, why not announce sooner and give him a full farewell season. He's not some minor character who joined for 1 or 2 years. He has held that show down for 9 seasons. Before that he helped launch it on Chicago Fire. He deserves a proper exit.
At the very least, why not announce it at the end of last season. Not 15 hours before rolling out publicity for the new season, which BTW your fave will hardly be in, enjoy!!
Plus when it's an actor's choice to leave, they usually give a reason. An actual statement. Not a small gracious thank you in a Variety article and then a retweet of said article calling it sad and again thanking the fans.
Anyway. I'm not about to trust some random unsourced submission to a gossip site as fact. The actual fact is we don't know whose choice this was. We don't know why it's happening and that's part of what makes it so hard to grasp.
Talking this through with all of you really is helping me process it though. I hope that in a few weeks we'll be healed enough to enjoy our last few moments with Jay Halstead.
And what I really hope at this point, is for Jesse to get an awesome new role on an awesome new show. If that's what he wants. Because I love him so. much. and desperately want to keep seeing him on my TV.
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i really wish i could put into words all of the bad things i want to happen to dick wolf and anyone else who had a say in firing kelli giddish from svu
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NCIS Betrayal vs SVU Betrayal
The difference between NCIS betraying it's fans when it comes to both Tiva and Ellick, is on a different level than SVU betraying it's fans when it comes to Rollisi.
The difference is: Tiva and Ellick were merely hinted at. Neither of these pairings ever actually became canon and turned into a relationship. So, we can hate on NCIS for baiting Tiva and Ellick fans and never giving them proper payoff.
But on the other hand, it feels worse somehow, with SVU because we actually got to see Rollisi as canon. For a season. And now that Dick Wolf decided to be a prick and fired Kelli Giddish, we'll never get a chance to see Rollisi get a well done relationship.
It's like, on the one hand, you get teasing from NCIS, but no payoff. On the other hand, we got Rollisi for a short time, and I'm grateful for it, but all it did was leave me wanting more.
So, all in all, let me just say, I feel bad for all three sets of fans of these couples. The characters/couples got fucked over, and so did the fans. Haven't these fucking shows ever heard of fan service? Stop fucking around with will-they, won't-they, and put obvious couples together. Oh, and actually, you know, LET YOUR CHARACTERS BE HAPPY FOR MORE THAN FIVE FUCKING MINUTES.
Okay, getting off my soapbox now that my PSA is over.
#NCIS#Ellick#Tiva#Law & Order: SVU#Law & Order: Special Victims Unit#Rollisi#Betrayal#Tony DiNozzo#Ziva David#Nick Torres#Dominick Sonny Carisi#Amanda Rollins#Ellie Bishop#tv talk#tv talk: ncis#tv talk: law & order: special victims unit
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I follow you on Twitter but your ao3 listed this account. I’m asking bc you don’t have the tellonym like fromiftowhen which you should start but what I want to know is what are your thoughts on all this jay stuff
I’m glad you found me, even when all my accounts are not the same handle!
I made a post a few days ago about what my initial thoughts were like, and frankly, my thoughts are more or less the same. I will say they have evolved a little bit more.
Overall, I am all over the map. It varies by day and by thought and by my mood.
I’m trying to hold out a small amount of hope (there was some BTS of Hailey wearing her ring today!) but just because she is wearing her ring doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t kill him.
There has been so much character growth for both Hailey & Jay as individuals on the show, and their relationship and it’s progression has only added to their development as individuals. Now they are so integral to one another, if they do kill him…It would ruin Hailey.
I know Hailey loved Garrett. I don’t doubt that, but that was a long undercover case. It was also when she was young(er), new on the job, and figuring life out for herself. She needed Garrett for survival in a lot of ways… Then she went to robbery homicide, then she went to intelligence, then she met Jay.
The difference for me is she needed Garrett for survival but she doesn’t need Jay. She wants him. Jay was the one person who broke down all the walls she built up, the one person who pushed her to become a better cop, the one person who was always in her corner. He seeped into the furthest corners of her heart, the ones she was so dead set on not letting anyone into. Yet, there he was. Time and time again. Showing up for her. Protecting her. Challenging her when she was doing something wrong. He never once let her down. (I will die on this hill, by the way)
But moving along, it will be a slap in the face to both of their characters and their relationship if they do kill him. A world in which Hailey & Jay aren’t together just doesn’t make sense. I’m saying that almost as fact because that’s how the writers have laid the foundation of them/their relationship. I can only hope, that showrunners like Gwen (who are one of their biggest shippers), does them justice. I’m hoping for some kind of promotion/transfer that leaves the off screen romance and the option for him to come back if he chooses.
As far as JLS on his actual exit. There’s a lot that has come out from the networks that show some issues with budget and budget cuts. Could he have fallen victim to that, like Kelli Giddish did on SVU? Yes, absolutely. Could he have decided to leave himself? Yes, absolutely. Sadly, in a world of NDA’s, we are probably never going to be at liberty to know what actually happened and what the circumstances around his exit are.
I said this in a Tweet today, but I’ll say it here: I’ll also point out, contracts include two parties. If a mutual decision wasn’t made between the two parties & someone does decide to walk, it still doesn’t mean they *wanted* to leave. I have no insight to what happened, but just know this is how contracts work. If they were going back and forth and back and forth, he could have ultimately decided to wash his hands because this is his life and his career. If he didn’t like the terms of employment, he has every right to try and fight for better terms to keep him there.
Does that mean he doesn’t love the character? No.
Does that mean he doesn’t love the show? No.
Does that mean he doesn’t love the crew? No.
Does that mean he hated with Tracy & the other cast? No.
It just means, he valued his quality of life & we, as fans, shouldn’t hold that against him.
Now, all of that being said, I truly don’t know if it was his choice to leave, whether he was forced out, or they did “fire” him. JLS has been liking some tweets that indicate I don’t think he necessarily wanted to leave BUT here we are.
My sentiments are the end of the day are mostly this, I hope they do Upstead some justice. I hope they honor ten years of Jay Halstead. I hope they don’t ruin Hailey’s character development in the void of not having him around her. But most of all, I hope that JLS is at peace with his decision and happy.
(And if fan campaigns to get him back work, then so be it.)
This is lengthy, but I hope it answers your questions!
Xx,
Waffs
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I am so angry right now. Why the hell was their first choice to fire Jesse??? As if he doesn't bring a shit ton of viewers. As if firing him will bring more people to watch and give them the money they need. They are all bunch idiots out there thinking this was the way to solve the issue. Fire the most important actor who is one half of the ship that brings the views and is the most important individual on the show and cannot be replaced. I am fuming. Damn assholes.
It is a horrible business strategy. And I think one of the things that bothers me most about all of this is the number of actors working on Dick Wolf shows that are problematic (to say the least), and they go and get rid of Jesse Lee Soffer and Kelli Giddish — two people I have never heard a single bad word about or any allegation made against them. HELP ME MAKE IT MAKE SENSE????
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Thank you for that post. None of this energy was there when Annie left. Emily was seriously one of my favourites who shouldn’t have left. Annie fit so well with the cast and I forever miss the Sylvie/Stella/Emily trio. People only care when it’s their favourite characters. Don’t get me wrong, the actress from SVU and Jesse (if the rumours are true) certainly don’t deserve it but where was this energy for Annie. As a WOC, it’s hard being in this fandom sometimes.
Exactly! I have great sympathy for Kelli Giddish and how she is being treated (and Jesse Lee Soffer if he is in a similar situation), and I am happy that the fans are rallying behind her.
But I am disappointed and frustrated because several WOC and POC have been fired or let go from Dick Wolf shows due to pay negotiations, and none of them has garnered a high level of support and outrage. Annie Ilonzeh is just one example.
I feel you because, honestly, as a black woman, it can be exhausting to be in the Law and Order and OC fandom. Sometimes I feel like a drama queen for bringing up the lack of diversity and representation on these shows, as well as the horrible way the few characters of colour are just pushed aside or used as a prop for the storyline of a white character. But I will continue to bring attention to it and if you don't like it, feel free to use the unfollow or block button.
#dick wolf#one chicago#law and order#law and order svu#kelli giddish#jesse lee soffer#annie ilonzeh#chicago pd#chicago fire#character of colour#people of colour#women of colour#poc#woc#fandom
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wait this is a crossover episode arc again? all three shows again? I saw the lady from the original l&o in the promo pics, uuugh I don't caaaare. Is Carisi even present there or it's like the premiere minus Rollins? ugh can they just have at least a little 15 seconds scene with Liv 'on the phone' with Amanda say something like 'no Amanda I'm ok I promise, don't worry, yes mrs Carisi😏 me and Noah will be there for saturday dinner' just to give us some continuity with rollivia friendship?!!! how to NOT be excited for the next part of the season without Amanda, yikes, i don't even know if I'm gonna watch
I don't think it's actually a crossover, I think just Camryn Manheim guesting on SVU because DW/NBC have fired so many women actors that they've left Liv with literally no woman she could take to about her trauma. (And Mariska had to specifically ask for Camryn to guest on the show; see article here).
Carisi's not in it, I don't think--back when abusive showrunner David Graziano was posting scripts on IG, he didn't tag Peter Scanavino, and he's not in any of the promo pics.
We might get a mention about Rollisi being on their honeymoon or something, but I'm not holding my breath for anything.
I'll try to keep up with what's happening on the show via fandom, but I am absolutely unable to watch any episodes of the show without Amanda--Kelli Giddish not being in the intro is actually going to destroy me.
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It get annoying when people say they going stop watch law and order svu because they fire Kelli Giddish.
How upset it is for her get fire and all we can't do anything about it.
I still going watch it matter what even though I'm disappointed about it
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Dick Wolf really sucks for firing Kelli Giddish
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“You might take a moment to entertain the idea that things are more complex than they appear in a world of emojis and tweets,” he wrote on Giddish’s IG page. “All I’ll say is Kelli has handled this with the most incredibly classy comportment.”
fuck all of this… so shady. Just say she was fired/let go and stop dancing around it. I’m so angry 🖕🏻
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