For @sansebastinae and @boisinnot, my fellow saint seb truthers :)
+ the usual
Yayyyy finished a drawing! Haha only took me...2 weeks. I kept going back and forth on whether I could finish it tonight, and I really wasn't going to. But then I looked at the unfinished version on a different screen and was like oh? Not too bad actually?? So I finished it :) First of all, ofc, here is the process. Kinda weird seeing it for smth like this, it makes me feel like I'm the painter in rennaisance au, not Mark dhjfkf
Ah I was gonna draw a silly renaissance au comic to accompany this(read: lighten the mood), but it's 5 am and I've still not really drafted it well, so! I'd like to finish it at some point bcs I wanna draw more chibi comics, but when I finish smth, I can't help but immediately want to post it, so part 2 will have to wait. I'll show you the outline though so you can at least imagine 😭
^ So many renaissance and beyond paintings of Saint Sebastian are always the most horny thing ever. Like pre/early rennaisance, yeah he was naked and all that, but they were pretty chaste, and uhhhhh suffering?? Well the newer paintings are suffering, but in a different way, if you know what I mean.
So I feel like Mark's the type to be overly pedantic about it, and refuses to make borderline porn of a saint, I mean, god forbid, Seb!!! But then he just. Does anyways. Because he can't control his lust for Seb even when drawing him half dead. I just imagine him holding the paintbrush in a death grip like "must not be horny. Must not draw him sexy. Must make him chaste." And then he ends up with the one seen above. Seb is all smug about it. "Wow you'd wanna fuck me even while I'm all bloody and dying? 🥺"
Mark: "oh I'll make you bloody, alright."
But god so funny to imagine Seb doing all these different slutty poses, like arching his back as much as possible, the cloth nearly falling off at all times, etc etc. And Mark finally lands on this pose bcs he hopes the suffering will outweigh the horny. It doesn't. Also Seb is genuinely serious once he actually gets into the pose, focus mode on. And honestly that's even worse for Mark, bcs it's so much more arousing to see Seb in his element, focused. Tbf I think Seb could be drinking water, and Mark would still find some way to sexualize it. Don't look at his sketches!! They're just filled with Seb doing all kinds of random activities.
Also! Here is the painting I referenced this off of, must give credit where credit is due ofc
The Dying St. Sebastian by François Fabre
Also this isn't really relevant in the context of this drawing specifically. But I looked thru a bunch of Saint Sebastian paintings while trying to find one I could reference, and I came across this middle ages one that actually looks so much like boy king seb 😭 I guess it really is meant to be!
St Sebastian between St Roch and St Peter by Pietro Perugino
Lmao but do you see the difference between early rennaisance and later work???
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ngl but I feel the attitude among many people who are insistent on "but what if the Prime Deities are bad/the Vanguard does have a point" assumes a very western and Christian view of deities as all-powerful entities who will individually intervene on your behalf, as well as an understanding of religion purely as centralized, with the gods and their followers in perfect lockstep.
The world of Exandria has made it abundantly clear this isn't the case. While Vasselheim is a city run by religious interests and has significant political power and cultural importance, the three largest political powers on Wildemount are all significantly out of sync with it - the Concord is ruled secularly and permits private worship of any deity, the Empire prohibits worship of several of the Prime Deities of import in Vasselheim, and the Dynasty is a theocracy in the name of a divine entity outside of the Prime/Betrayer dichotomy. Tal'Dorei and Marquet are similarly secular in rule. We've also seen that the way in which people worship the same deity can vary wildly; the obvious example is Fjord and Caduceus, but we've also seen multiple devotees of the Raven Queen, Kord, and Ioun with very different practices, and the sourcebooks discuss further small sects and different interpretations. Personal worship seems to be fairly decentralized outside of specific places like the Dynasty and Vasselheim, and Vasselheim permits a diversity of options as well, although with limitations.
In general, the problem with, say, Tuldus, isn't "your religious trauma or disillusionment isn't valid"; it is. The problem is that this was visited upon him by specific mortals, not the deity they worship, and certainly not the entire pantheon which is itself locked in cataclysm-level disagreement and has been for millennia.
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I remember on the radio Waters was asked about the male gaze-y stuff in the Handmaiden and she just completely avoided the question
Which I think is pretty telling about what that movie is like (also lowkey side eyeing her)
From what I understand the opinion she holds of it is neutral towards positive, she felt uncomfortable too but shrugged it off because younger queer people are allowed to enjoy that if they want, seemed to hold her tongue on specifics because she respects the guy regardless and vibed with it, but honestly I personally don't care regardless I just want to read about hairy women instead of watching something a guy made while thinking of queer liberation as just a risque trope with a fun crime flick twist to it but hey I'm just cynical
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