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dramionediscussion · 3 years
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I honestly believe that antis don’t know what dramione is actually about, and believe we just ship a bully with his victim–and refuse to deviate from their reasoning.
But dramione is NOT about that, because literally NO ONE in the dramione fandom (except a few bad apples) would ship a childhood bully draco with hermione. We understand that yes, doing that would make it toxic/abusive. 
draco’s racism was taught to him, just like the weasley children were taught that muggles and wizards and muggleborns were equal. the first eleven years of his life, he grew up with lucius malfoy as a role model–one of the chief blood supremacists. we know that canonically draco worshipped his dad. he learnt that muggleborns were scum of the earth. why would he question that? when we’re kids, we don’t question what our parents teach us–we just assume they’re right and that’s how the world works.
the same concept applies to his classism. the first thing he said to ron was “red hair. hand-me-down robes. you must be a weasley.” now, keep in mind that this is the first time draco is meeting ron. how is an eleven-year-old who’s never met the other child before, know exactly who the child is, and how the child would look?
again, the parents. lucius malfoy worked with arthur weasley in the ministry. he would obviously go home and complain about the “blood traitor and his poverty” to narcissa, and draco would probably overhear, and assume that that’s how you treat the weasleys, because they’re “bad people” in his father’s book, and by extension, his. 
the second book: at the start, lucius puts draco down because his marks were lower than hermione’s. draco is obviously put off, but he understands why–he’s a pureblood. he’s a malfoy. he’s supposed to be doing better than the muggleborns, because according to his father, they don’t deserve to attend hogwarts. later, he calls hermione a mudblood–again, where would he learn that type of language? definitely not the internet, because that didn’t exist. that takes us to his parents. 
now, the question probably is why wouldn’t draco see other non-racist people in school and change? because he didn’t hang out with other houses. slytherins are very isolated, and usually pitted against the rest of the school. draco’s friends, children of death eaters, were probably raised in the same way he was. if his parents taught him pureblood supremacy, and his friends’ parents taught them the same thing, why would he think to question it? 
draco malfoy was taught right from wrong, but those values just happened to be the opposite of what everyone else, like the weasleys, was taught. but just as the weasleys went in knowing that draco was wrong for believing in them, draco went in knowing that the weasleys were wrong for believing in theirs. 
in the third book, I think the whole buckbeak incident was realistic. if a child provokes a dog, and the dog bites it, the dog is the one that’s put down no matter what the child did. I’m not saying it’s “right”–I definitely thin draco 100% deserved to be punched by hermione–but it’s how the world currently works–maybe it will change later but for now, it’s reality. 
and as for the slytherins’ hatred towards hagrid–I’d say it was justified, because hagrid himself was no sweetheart to them. don’t get me wrong–I love hagrid, but he didn’t like the slytherins–you can see this when he talks about them in the first book. again, the books are from harry’s pov, so even if hagrid didn’t like the slytherins and said something about them, it would be biased. but yes, the slytherins often took it too far. 
the fourth book–draco’s bullying wasn’t even that bad. he actually warned hermione to get away at the world cup, in his own twisted way. he accidentally hit her with a curse meant for harry. he made “potter stinks” badges–juvenile things. 
now for the fifth. let me get this absolutely straight: I hate umbridge. I hate the inquistorial squad. I hate that the slytherins joined them. 
but we have to go back to slytherin inequality for this. the slytherins are booed at quidditch matches. the whole school, including most of the teachers and their headmaster, are against them. in fact, I could say that the only teacher that favoured the house was snape, and have canonical evidence. it’s basically the slytherins vs the rest of the school. 
now, comes along a lady that actually seems to favour slytherins. for the first time, they’re made to feel important. she wants to form a little group to catch their worst enemy in an illegal act. who would say no? 
but again–the golden trio was no less. they purposely excluded the slytherins from the DA. forget malfoy and his cronies. not EVERY slytherin would be devoted to umbridge/malfoy. but the trio didn’t invite ANY of them–and not all their parents were death eaters. 
now, put yourself in their place. imagine your school formed a club excluding your house. why would you protect them, instead of catching them? they had no reason to protect the DA, so they didn’t. 
in the sixth book–I think at this point, draco’s grown out of his blood prejudice and realised that it isn’t a game. his father, probably the person he expects the most to protect him is in azkaban. voldemort has his mum, and will kill her if he doesn’t murder the wizarding world’s most powerful wizard. but why did he continue his discrimination? 
do you really think that draco malfoy, bully and blood supremacist for five years, suddenly stopped bullying muggleborns, that word wouldn’t reach his house? his friends/housemates would tell their death eater parents, and somehow, it would reach his father, or worse–voldemort, who would just find it an excuse to kill his mum. 
but admittedly, he didn’t bully the trio that much that year, and I think he called hermione a mudbblood only once–at the top of the astronomy tower, when he was trying to kill dumbledore. 
also dumbledore KNEW that draco malfoy had been ordered to murder him. he knew who had been making those attempts the entire year. and then five minutes before the death eaters got them, he offered protection. draco was expected to make a life-changing, life-threatening decision in five minutes? when he didn’t even know whether he could trust the order? for all he knew, they could hold his family hostage to draw voldemort out. 
but even then, he began to lower his wand, but it was too late. 
IMHO, I think draco only referred to her as “mudblood granger” at that time as a last-ditch attempt to constrain to his father’s beliefs–which would be VERY advantageous to him at that point, because then he would be able to find a reason to murder dumbledore. but we all know he wasn’t able to do it. 
in the seventh book, he refuses to identify harry, even though it’s obvious he recognises him and his family could gain EVERYTHING–but that’s a flimsy redemption arc at best. he stands by while hermione’s being tortured, yes, but that’s because it’s bellatrix lestrange–probably the most feared death eater of all time. would you do anything? I think not. 
draco malfoy was brought up in a different way, having different beliefs ingrained into him. do you actually blame a child for doing what his father said, when the child should have been old enough to make his own choices? do you still blame that child for having been exposed to only one sort of right their whole lives, and having a biased opinion because they were never taught to see from a different perspective? and do you still blame that boy, despite everything he’s faced, that he never went through with it? 
people who say “draco had a choice and he made the wrong one” are just wrong. what kinda choice would they make if a genocidal maniac was sitting at their dinner table, holding their mum hostage, until they killed the president of their country? 
 to me, I think draco and ron were both very insecure people, though for different reasons, and just had different ways of showing it. ron cut people off when he thought they were going to succeed without him, and draco made comments about the other person’s insecurities, probably to make himself feel better. ron was insecure about harry’s fame, but since he was harry’s best friend, he just had to put up with it (until the 4th book). draco had no such obligations. 
and to say that draco malfoy isn’t redeemable, is saying that people who mess up when they’re kids, will remain that way for the rest of their lives. it’s sending a message to all young people out there telling them the consequences of making a mistake–no one will like them. 
I’m not “excusing” draco’s racism. he was a piece of shit, plain and simple. but I’d say 98% of that is because of the way he was brought up. 
also isn’t it the whole point that we want people to wake up and realise their mistakes? half of america would have LOVED for donald trump to get up one day and realise that he’s a racist misogynist. ofc it wouldn’t change the past, but it would change the future.
now, onto the dramione argument. 
first off, saying that hermione wouldn’t forgive draco for the past is going against every aspect of her character. she had a soft spot for kreacher, the house-elf that grew up in a racist household and was therefore racist and called her and ron “mudblood” and “blood traitor” (quite similar to draco, actually). she understood where he was coming from, and why he was the way he is, and ultimately didn’t care. after that, how can you say that she wouldn’t forgive draco for having beliefs and values ingrained into him from when he was a child? 
second, who is the real enemy in HP? yes, you could say voldemort, but it’s more about what he represents, which is prejudice. having draco, a former blood supremacist and the son and nephew of death eaters, getting together with hermione, a muggleborn girl, would show that he’s thrown his beliefs out of the window. it’s his character growth and how he matures through the war and its aftermath. 
putting draco and hermione together as kids without any change to their characters is toxic and abusive, no doubt about it. but that’s not what dramione is about.
even in hogwarts fics like isolation, what the room requires, and clean, the authors make sure that he repents. they make sure to explicitly write his character arc, and to show that he is no longer a bully or blood supremacist. 
hermione is NOT draco’s redemption, since canonically he shows signs of awakening, if not actual repentence. she’s the conclusion of his redemption. it’s officially showing the world and society that he is no longer a blood purist. 
dramione isn’t about crazy fans thinking it’s adorable for a bully and a victim to fall for each other.
dramione is about change. and if you believe that people can’t change, that’s on you.
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I agree with most of the points you’ve made except for the second paragraph. The majority of Dramione fans do indeed ship Hermione with redeemed Draco, but there’s nothing wrong with reading fics in which their relationship is toxic (I do that every once in a while) because neither Hermione nor Draco is a real person and you can put them in all types of circumstances. They’re both fictional characters and thus can’t be hurt.
- AgnMag
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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From this post: https://willhavetheirtrinkets.tumblr.com/post/661610441265594368
Enemies-to-lovers, but instead of featuring a villain redemption arc, the heroic one is getting progressively more corrupt, unhinged and fucked up, and the one who was originally the clear-cut villain out of the two is just like "well mark me down as scared and horny"
Any recs? Please and thank you x
Oh interesting, can anyone recommend any like this?
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INJAILOUTSOON12 SAID: DEFINITELY CLEAN/MARKED BY OLIVIEBLAKE, HERMIONE GETS DARKER AND DARKER AS THE STORY PROGRESSES https://archiveofourown.org/series/502333
WHATWOULDFLORENCEDO SAID: I’VE GOT A WIP THAT MIGHT FIT THIS BILL, HERMIONE DECIDES THE BEST WAY TO WIN THE WAR IS BY MAKING A DEMON DRACO HER FAMILIAR AND THEN GETS PROGRESSIVELY DARKER/AMORAL, ARCHIVEOFOUROWN.ORG/WOR…
DODO595 SAID: IT’S STILL A WIP, SO EVERYTHING CAN HAPPEN BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS WILL FIT THIS, HERMIONE GETS MORE MORALLY GREY WITH EVERY INTERACTION SHE HAS WITH DRACO, SILVER & GOLDEN BY SILVERSTRANDS ARCHIVEOFOUROWN.ORG/WOR…
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fedonciadale · 3 years
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olivieblake · 3 years
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hey why do you ship dramione? it's a genuine question, I ship them too and I've read most of your fanfics, but what's your argument to all the dramione-haters out there? how do you defend the ship?
hi! my general answer to why I personally ship them is here (also in my faq), my argument for the haters is here, and my more recent response to what I consider valid criticism of the ship post-BLM is here, also here on video
(sorry if this method of response feels impersonal but I’ve been around a long time, so I’ve got a long record of defense)
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olivieblake · 3 years
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hey! how're you doing? congrats on the book and baby :) what I wanted to ask is, what do you think about anti-dramione shippers calling dramione "toxic" or "abusive"? because honestly I think that if they did get together when draco was still an asshole blood supremacist, they would be toxic. but most fanfics literally centre themselves around draco's redemption, and hermione's forgiveness, so no, they wouldn't be. but what do you think about the whole ship??
hello, thank you so much! as you might imagine I have received this question COUNTLESS times over the last ~five years, so you can find very thorough answers to this in my frequently asked questions!
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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hello! i was wondering if you guys can share a good triad fic that you guys enjoyed or recommend? i’ve been reading ‘darkly loyal’ by keiramarcos and ‘fourteen thousand galleons’, and i enjoyed the dramionarry relationship. thanks in advance!
That isn't my cup of tea, but if anyone would like to leave recs for anon, do so in the comments! :)
Edit: Thanks!!
nvcg: There’s a Dreomione one (I think that’s the name for Draco x Theo x Hermione) called the Flatmate in AO3, is a muggle AU, is the only triad fic I’ve read. https://archiveofourown.org/series/1858420
selenelinh-blackburn: I highly recommend reading works by setissma. They have some really good Dramionarry stories on AO3 https://archiveofourown.org/users/setissma/pseuds/setissma
injailoutsoon12: Not a triad reader, but I've read one foursome fic that's very very good: What Best Friends Are For https://archiveofourown.org/works/25018882/chapters/60584908
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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hello my loves do you have any recs where draco and hermione get together sometime during hogwarts and she leaves to go on the horcrux hunt and they have a special way of communicating and draco is helping them in someway like in divine artiface where they talk through a mini vanishing cabinet and he destroyed like 3 horcruxs I checked the horcux hunting tag and couldn’t find much
Anyone know any?
Edit: Thanks! I still need to read this one!
glassxskin: Messages from No One by serendipitymadness. draco and hermione start communicating to each other through journals while they’re still at hogwarts (at first they don’t know to whom they’re writing) and they use a box (kind of like a mini vanishing cabinet) while hermione is hunting for horcruxes. https://archiveofourown.org/works/20336866/chapters/48219634
INJAILOUTSOON12 SAID: THE HISTORY PROJECT BY COLUBRINA: FANFICTION.NET/S/11258…
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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Could you please recommend any fics where Hermione stumbles across Draco and Harry dueling and she shields Draco from the Sectumsempra curse and ends up being the one hit?
Anyone know any?
Edit: Thank you! I really need to reread this!
injailoutsoon12: forget me by emara88 https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11577969/1/Forget-Me
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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hello! ive been looking for this one fic for forever but i only really remember the ending. so i think dramione have a kid and snape is still alive and theyre super close with him and at the end they tell him to not be a stranger so at the end they have a dinner and hermione is like i think severus is bringing a date tonight or something like that. please help! also ty for all that you do and all the patience u guys have for answering all these questions daily❤️❤️
Anyone?
Edit: Thanks! 2 options!
injailoutsoon12: terrifying and magnificent, except there's no date involved: https://archiveofourown.org/works/4455941
dhrlove: Is it “I Spy” by gnrkrystle? Cause it sounds a lot like the ending of that.https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6725154/1/I-Spy
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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I started a fic where Dumbledore has Hermione marry Draco to bind him to the Order. They are still at Hogwarts when they get married. The first chapter ends with them consummating the marriage to seal the deal. Hermione views the sex as just something to get through even though Draco tries to make it at least nice. Afterward she leaves and goes back to her own dorm room.
Anyone?
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: entanglement by blankfish https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13239847/1/Entanglement
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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do you guys know any fics where draco is sick and hermione kisses him to get sick too? (when they’re not dating) thanks
Anyone know any?
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: They don't kiss here but she takes care of him while he's sick and gets sick too; it's a WIP that has one last chapter left: Commonalites of the Coldest Kind https://archiveofourown.org/works/31676183/chapters/78395153
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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Hi, loves! Do y’all know if any fics where Draco’s dark and brings out Hermione’s dark side?
Can anyone suggest any? I've read some where she turns dark because of him, but its not really him making her dark.
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: It's not exactly what anon asked for, but the premise of it is somewhat similar: Clean/Marked by olivieblake: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11720199/1/Clean https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11878656/1/Marked
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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I want to read a fic where draco and Hermoine are given a potions project by slughorn and have to meet after class for a month or 15 days to finish the potion.
Anyone?
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: Clean by olivieblake: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11720199/1/Clean
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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Hi there! I recently read SenLinYu's new fanfic "Your Lonely Calls to Me" (which I would highly recommend!!!!), and I was wondering if you knew of any other fanfics where Hermione bathes a shell shocked Draco (after Azkaban or otherwise)? I really appreciate your blog, thank you so much :)
Does anyone know any?
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: fairy stone by colubrina https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11208716/1/Fairy-Stone
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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hey loves do you know any fanfics where while hermione and draco are together she gets assaulted or almost raped and draco starts freaking out like in haunted i looked in the tags but all of them start as hermione having that happen in the past
Can anyone suggest any?
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: vengeance by elizaye https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6940202/1/Vengeance
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dramioneasks · 3 years
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Hello! I'm searching for this fic that I can't remember the title and I would need your help: Draco got a shop by inheritance but get trapped inside because the deceased owner put a curse to punish D for his previous bad actions. Draco send a SOS, Hermione found it and came to help him to break the cuse. It' a comedy, really funny. Thank you (and sorry for my bad english)!
Anyone?
Edit: Thanks!
injailoutsoon12: how to succeed in business even if you're cursed: https://archiveofourown.org/works/2774879
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