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retrogeometry · 6 months

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think about this too much and too often, i think, BUT!!! BEHOLD!

This, everyone, is the cloneduo venn diagram (is that spelt right?—) ANYWAY

this contains similarities i noticed/remember off the top of my head (so some may be missing), containing a couple irl similarities (but mostly character stuff, i think)

i definitely ran out of room, and genuinely could not think of much for phil's side, but it's okay 👍

the qsmp lore tho may be a bit skewed as i have no clue what's happening on there ever cause that's simply too many povs to watch and have a life at the same time; this is just my understanding from some clips and the philza vods (ty mercy)

oh and martyn's lore might be a bit skewed as well in this diagram, no justice to it at all, but IN MY DEFENSE... it is also too cool for my small braincell (singular)

WAIT I FORGOT ONE i don't feel like editing it:

they both have some correlation with space (phil being associated with the moon and stars and nighttime in general and martyn as mars and/or meteor)

(guys marstyn is so fun and the winners rhyme please—)

anyway, insane ramble maybe over lmao

hope this was mostly coherent. i tried keeping the diagram toned down on the swearing, some definitely still made it through tho haha

(side note: ngl, i didnt expect my first post here to be a venn diagram of cloneduo and reblogs... i'm sure i'll post, like, some art or smth; maybe some writing? idk, takes ages to find motivation)

if anyone has any tips for tagging, and just things in general on this site (and what may or may not count as insane behavior /hj) please let me know /gen

#ALSO HOW DO I TAG #uhhh #inthelittlewood #qsmp philza #why does phil have two tags #does this technically count as fanart because of the two scuffed asf headshots in the corners #venn diagram #cloneduo #i worry i may be looking too much into these two as a duo #but i am going insane over their unspoken lore parallels (tism)#history may not always repeat #but it certainly rhymes often

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dontcryminecraft · 2 years

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This shouldn't work as well as it does: Lily of the Valleys Accidental Symbolism

my sister finally watched the Wilbur Soot VOD so I finally could talk to her about it and we got to this scene here:

and I mentioned the symbolism aspect of it and couldn't remember it exactly so I looked it up and holy shit there is a lot! I'm gonna put a 'read more' tag since there is a lot here, so click you want an in-depth dive into my favorite part about the dsmp: Accidental Symbolism

So you want to know more! Awesome! I had a lot of fun researching this! Let's get started!

So the Lily of the Valley has a lot of meanings.

1. FTD, a flower shop, puts in number one on their apology flower list and says:

"Lily of the valley is the best apology flower if you don’t know how to apologize to someone you hurt. This delicate white flower represents rebirth, which can be the result of a broken relationship if your apology is received well. It can express the start of a new chapter in the relationship and leave the past behind."

So yeah, perfect for c!Wilbur at this moment. He wants to apologize to those he's hurt, yet he doesn't apologize to Tommy. Probably cause he doesn't know how or is ready yet to confront their relationship. It also represents Rebirth, as in "starting new chapters, and leaving the past behind," which Wilbur all wants to do.

2. FTD also has more facts here, which include:

In Victorian Times, the Lily of the Valley represents a "Return to Happiness" (fitting for the Wilbur, and crimeboys, lore rn) and can also see as a sign of humility in modern times, which is again fitting because truly apologizing to everyone Wilbur hurt takes a lot of humility, I'd say.

3. According to FunnyHowFlowersDoThat, here, they say:

"This flower symbolizes absolute purity, youth, sincerity, and discretion. But most importantly, it symbolizes happiness."

Youth reminds me of Tommy, cause obviously, he's 'the child' and Wilbur's younger brother, so him standing there matches that. Sincerity for, again, the apologies. Discretion and purity don't really have a match here that I can clearly define, tbh.

4. So, that's all well and good but then I thought: Kristin picked the flower. Kristin. The Goddess of Death. When she did that, everyone was talking about the symbolism of it as it connects to "rebirth", since that feels more connected to Death here. And yeah, sure, but also-

Kristin picked that. Her being the goddess of death connects her to Wilbur and Tommy, as both died and got revived. But also, since she's married to Phil there's a family element there. She's probably Wilbur's mom, idk the canon family tree at this point but I think the fridge was de-canonized when Kristin joined in on lore (if so-RIP Samsung Smart Refridgerator you will be missed), but at the least, she's his step-mom (?) since she's married to Phil, Wilbur's dad. And Tommy, Wilbur's brother figure, is standing under her flower.

5. Also, according to FTD here, it also symbolizes "The fragrant white flowers are often associated with traditional feminine values such as motherhood, purity, chastity, and sweetness." This is actually why, fun fact, it's the birth month flower of May, the month with mother's day in it. But also-MOTHERHOOD. HOW. HOW DID SHE MANAGE THAT. MUMZA YOU GENIUS. I don't really care for the other three reasons, I saw that and just-How. How. I'm baffled this was all accidental!

(September 2022 edit for clarity) I found it funny that these flowers represent the second coming of Christ, a deity who is prophesized to return to the mortal realm/earth at some point. Kristin, a fictional goddess of Death, is trying to return to the mortal realm, and in her first lore stream, we see one of their attempts live where she ends her visit by picking the flower I'm talking about here.

BACK TO MORE SERIOUS CONNECTIONS: I've got two more

6. symbolsage, here, says mostly the same thing as every other page, like happiness and chastity, but it also adds "trustworthiness", which is something Wilbur is struggling with regaining.

7. flower-meanings, here, also says similar things, but also notes that because the flower is poisonous, it is popular at funerals which gives it meanings like sadness or pain due to loss or death (grief). Which, is just another death connection between Crimeboys and the flower and death.

So those are my seven flower meaning/lore/symbolism connections between the Lily of the Valley and crimeboys. I have a bunch of other random flower facts I'll probably either make a part two for or reblog this with because I didn't go down a rabbit hole for this knowledge to die out. I'm info-dumping later baby!

But also- HOW WAS THIS ON ACCIDENT? HOLY FUCKING SHIT HOW?

Like, watching the scene the above screenshot is from. Watching the entire part where Wilbur is at Phil's and talking about how he needs to apologize and he opens the door and Tommy stands there-his brother who he hurt so much, and we the audience thinks he's going to apologize but he brushes past him to go to Technoblade and apologize. Leaves Tommy with Phil, and later returns to talk to Phil but still does not apologize after yet another bait and switch moment. It's very well written. 10/10.

But Tommy, while standing in the open doorway, ends up under the flower. The Lily of the Valley. Lore wise, its only significance is Kristin randomly (which knowing the flower meanings just kills me cause she could not have gotten a better flower) grabbing it as a present for Phil when she possessed him, but only Phil knows that. It's PURE coincidence it's above the door. It's PURE coincidence that I can extrapolate all that meaning from it, much less meanings that MATCH THE LORE AND CHARACTERS EVEN REMOTELY.

Yeah, flower language changes and fluctuates depending on culture and timeframe, so she could have picked a fucking tulip and probably stumbled upon meaningful lore implications, but just- the is so much accidental symbolism here that FITS unreasonably well that this is just unfair that this is not on purpose and no genius in the background planted that random flower, lucky that it was in Minecraft in the first place, told Kristin to pick it on a whim, and the for Phil to hang it for Tommy to later stand under and look at during this specific lore stream. Nope! That's all PURE FUCKING COINCIDENCE. AMAZING.

(btw I got curious as I do and that offhand tulip comment- yeah, someone could make lore/character implications. Minecraft tulips come in pink, orange, white, and red. Red=love, Pink=caring and good wishes, Orange=a sense of understanding and appreciation between two people, usually in a relationship. All three could be cute "messages" between Kristin and Phil. No connection to crimeboys, really-BUT- White=claim worthiness or to send a message of forgiveness=Wilbur and Tommy. Can't escape it.)

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