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Geez, this person really went all out with this BS rant against the show/staff. www(.)reddit( lcom/r/RWBY/comments/kiqatg/why_rwby_will_always_be_an_okay_show/

... You know I have been trying to step away from directly addressing RWBY bullshit. But...fuck it here.

If you ever talked to me about how I felt about RWBY, I would say that RWBY pre-Volume 8 has been a touchy subject for me. I felt very validated by two videos, "Why RWBY is Disappointing" and "The White Fang Problem".

Yes yes, and people with parental issues feel validated by their abusive spouse. That means nothing, especially given that one of those videos you mentioned is riddled with bullshit.

"Why RWBY is Disappointing" validated my criticism of RWBYs writing. The fact that Miles and Kerry can't and refuse to take any kind of criticism that doesn't hurt their feelings is complete [insert bad word here]. All criticism is going to hurt your feelings. Yes, you should probably ignore the long winded rants that make themselves out to be self important- why is there a mirror here? But there is truth to all criticism.

And there’s a kernel of truth in the best lies- they’re still LIES.

Not to mention the video you mentioned here (which I am assuming is Hbomberguy’s) pulls the SAME SHIT it calls out. Like say...decrying critics pesonally attacking the writers...while proclaiming Jaune and Neptune as self inserts even though Miles AND Kerry is on the record saying that at least Jaune isn’t written by his voice actor.

I'm currently learning about Branding and how important it is to know your audience. Take self.care breaks, talk with someone you trust. Someone who isn't Miles or Kerry! If your reading this. An outside perspective can help. The reason I say that is because if you two constantly talk to each other you're going to end up in an echo chamber. TALK TO FIONA! She's literally your target audience!

Because hey, a man who contradicts himself numerous times and made personal attacks on the creators that only the most malicious and self righteous do is SOOOO trustworthy right?

Remember that tweet Hbomb brought up in his video as an example of criticism the creators should listen to? The one that demanded Miles get back to work and tried to use the catchphrase of his dead friend to manipulate him?

What a fucking target audience.

I know they mentioned ‘Fiona’ (likely the character’s voice actress) but there’s a supposed fan, one that pretty much sums up the critics, and a perfect example why it gets tossed out.

Moving on, the other video validated something I wish it didn't. "The White Fang Problem" brought to light something I knew was there but either ignored or I wasn't thinking. The White Fang has always made me a little uncomfortable. As a minority, it didn't translate well in my head. The minority are the bad guys. The Civil rights group were the bad guys. I brushed it off for a long time but after that video I couldn't.

Ah huh. So uh, the existence of Blake, Ghira, Kali, Sun, Illa, Velvet, Neon ect. is just incovienable to you huh? And don’t give me that ‘But civil rights group!’- The first episode had them break up a peaceful protest and it’s repeatedly hammered home that the current White Fang doesn’t give a SHIT about equal rights. And no, that concept is not racist- Judging from a story I read, that happened to the New Black Panthers in REAL LIFE.

It became a moral issue. Watching RWBY became a moral issue. RWBY is still pushing right wing talking points.-

Being right of you is not right wing, Especially given how you just acted.

I dont believe Miles and Kerry are racist. I do believe that Miles and Kerry both hold skewed beliefs in what right and wrong is.

Projection.

The way Miles and Kerry treat self defense and protest shows that they know nothing about being Black. They didn't do their research. They didn't talk to minorities about how they were being portrayed. They simply believed that they were right and we were wrong.

Ah huh, ah huh, ah huh-

Monty wrote the White Fang this way. You know, the ASIAN man of FOUR NATIONALITIES. So uh, congrats on saying at the absolute most- Nothing.

Now these two videos are old news. They've been posted on this very same subreddit. But you can't go around and say how much of a progressive and open minded individual you are when the fact that RWBY is a racist show and treats minorities very badly. So no one talks about them.

Or that, as I showed: these videos are bullshit.

Also its kinda homophobic too, not because of Bumblby but because despite Tera and Saphorn being a happy married couple they never kiss on screen. Have you seen happy married couples? Have you seen gay happy married couples? They literally do nothing but kiss. Its cute and adorable and deserves to be spread as far and wide. Despite the show having two straight couple kisses, granted one was in Volume but still, they couldn't get the married couple to kiss? Just saying.

... And not all gay couples are the same, even if I’m sure you’re thinking of TEENAGERS.

You know, judging people based on a preconcieved notion (AKA stereotyping) is pretty fucking bigoted itself...

Watch people be in the comments typing away that this isn't a romance show and how I shouldn't expect romance in an action adventure show despite the long list of evidence to the contrary.

Ah yes, that long list of ONE kiss by a TORPEDOED SHIP.

Such convincing rhetoric.

So you can see I was not coming into Volume 8 with my rose colored glasses. I'm sure many of you hate me because of all my comments, but I don't care. I was ready to leave RWBY. I didn't care. RWBY had taken up so much of my life but I don't care. I was not going to support a show that didn't improve.

Ah huh-

You just came in with jade-colored glass and accepted anything that validated you instead of questioning yourself. You talk about branding but that’s ALL you’ve branded yourself as.

So I watched. And something happened. Something strange. RWBY was moving in a direction I didn't expect it to. Oscar got what he deserved. The Heros were oblivious to the danger that is Salem. Things were headed in the direction that would change the characters forever. It'll be just like Beacon but better. And then they had to ruin it.

Oh we are about to get some real bullshit.

Oscar somehow convinces Hazel to betray Salem. What could have been an avenue to a multi season story arc for Oscar that included the stories villains became a shitty uninspired redemption arc. Kill me.

No he didn’t and this has been something hinted at since Volume 4.

There's still hope for the season but at this point I lost all hope.

This is the scene that killed Volume 8 for me. Oscar should not be the one who defeats Salem. In fact he should be an avenue to learn more about the villains. He served his purpose with the heroes, now he has a new arc with the villains. Oscar doesn't turn evil, but he's like a conscious. Salem doesn't want to kill him because he can be useful in finding the last remaining relics and maidens.

Assumptions.

Oscar has a heart to heart with all the villains including Salem. Oscar learns to be his own man and accepts he's now one with Ozma but he doesn't have to be another Ozma. He doesn't have to make the same decisions.

Its a great Arc for Oscar. It also makes sense for his character. Ozma feels Salem is pure evil but Oscar can learn for himself.

Headcanon.

But they won't do that. Instead they're going to take the easy way out. Like always.

Bias getting in the way.

Miles and Kerry love wrapping up each season in a little bow. This is why RWBY is so okay.

They say as every RWBY Volumes ends in a cliffhanger.

This is Beacon but if Miles and Kerry thought that RWBY should still be in Beacon. This is Beacon but without major character death. This is Beacon but the main villain loses because the heroes can't lose. Cinder isn't threatening. None of the villains are. Salem is in a Grimm! She should know everything! Why is there no creativity? Why is she not an over powered mess in A GRIMM!? Her own domain?! Why are the writers writing her not as a powerful goddess reaffirming her as a threat but as a human being. Yes I know what that sounds like but hear me out.

‘None of the villains are threatening!’

‘WHY IS THE MAIN VILLAIN NOT BEING TREATED AS THREATENING LIKE I THINK SHE IS!’

‘Why is there no creativity?’

‘DO THE MOST UNCREATIVE THING POSSIBLE!’

How about I keep mocking you?

If Salem can be out smarted by a 10 year old boy, why did it take Ozma so long to defeat her? Oscar should fail. RWBY should fail. They should go through character arcs that help them better understand Salem. Because that's how you defeat Salem.

Pushing your own thoughts onto the show. Also assumptions AGAIN.

I always believed that Ozma and Salem are very similar to Ruby and Weiss. Yes I know how it sounds but it makes sense.-

Too bad your AU fanfic doesn’t matter.

But they won't. Miles and Kerry will use Oscar to defeat Salem. Why? Who knows at this point. I dont know why Miles and Kerry keep pushing Oscar into the spotlight. Its exactly how they treated Jaune Pre-Volume 7. Jaune had to be the focus so often we hated him. And they're doing it again with Oscar

Ah huh. You know, the whole NOTHING Jaune did in Volume 6 was SOOO spotlight stealing, along with his REMOVAL FROM THE CAST FOR SEVERAL EPISODES.

Wanna bet this is another case of ‘penis on screen, me hate’?

They refuse learn and they refuse to improve. If Volume 8 doesn't improve im leaving RWBY. It doesn't matter to any of you. I'm saying it more for myself. So I don't continue with a show that constantly disappoints me. But more so, I don't support a show that views people like me as lesser. If the writing improves it proves that they can grow and get better but if it doesn't it means they will continue to treat Faunus as misguided and horrible characters. And I refuse to support a show that uses my likeness to get brownie points from people who are unaffected by such messages.

A. No, that’s who refused to do self reflection and improve.

B. Should have done that in the first place.

C. No, once again- You blind yourself from the shit that disproves you.

D. You heard him- Treat the Fanaus like shit and make the humans in the right. You know, the opposite what the show is doing now since it’s SOOO horrible.

E. You are not the center of the universe.

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rock-and-compass · 7 years

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I wrote this as I watched the episode:

The whole “Author” angel still sucks – it is a shit premise to base the show on – it starts from a point of undercutting the authenticity of the characters they are asking us to invest in. Season one didn’t start like that; they were people first, characters second. They were people who just happened to live lives that were then turned into “fairy tales” for a non-magical world. But going with this multi-version path you make them “characters” and “creations” of an author first and people second. And for me, well I want to invest in a believable representation of a person and relationships. Plus, just because there are “multiple versions of the same story” doesn’t mean that these multiple versions should co-exist as real – this is hard to explain... yes each version of the story is a unique expression, but each versions of the story is based on an original story that came from somewhere. Like The Grimm Brothers didn’t go out and write their version of, say Cinderella (I have no idea if they wrote a version of Cinderella, I’m just using it for illustrative purpose) at the same time as it was emerging as a German folk story… no, the Brothers Grimm collected and published folk stories and fairy tales and popularised them which then led to others doing the same thing, right through to movies and modern adaptations … what Once Upon a Time wants us to believe is that all these versions live independent lives because an author created them, which contradicts their own mythology which is that the Author records not creates – didn’t Isaac get in trouble for interfering? So I guess my ultimate issue with the premise of Season 7 is that it gives the Author too much credit and it creates a block to believing in the characters as people – and isn’t the object of television drama to get us to invest in narratives creations as real and then buy the products we see advertised in the commercial breaks? But OUAT has decided to start this race with a handicap in place…. And Henry constantly reminding us that these people are characters doesn’t help.

So to the episode:

Yeah, I’m so not here for Regina and Henry – such a surface-level, unsatisfactory relationship. Henry’s forgetfulness of his mother’s actions is one of the great whitewashes of this show – and the propensity to sweep anything unpleasant under the rug and never mention it again is the great undoing of this text. I believe this bad narrative habit is THE reason the show was so disappointing in season’s 4, 5 & 6.

Magic Beans – So rare once upon a time, now it seems they are a staple… (and didn’t they used to make great hulking holes in the ground, not neat fire portals?) And way to marginalise Emma much from the departure … oh yeah. That’s going to be a thing now.

Henry is a Swyft driver. Oooh, it’s just like the Uber ad we have here in Australia… (I liked the photography and soundtrack for this scene.)

Hello repeato storyline!

Lucy is . . . um . . . precocious and I don’t mean that in a good way. She sound like a child, over-acting lines written by forty+ year old writers. And, jesus kid, save something for the car-ride – ALL. THAT. INFORMATION. IN. ONE. HIT. Emma was at least able to hook into the need to get Henry home and he didn’t over-whelm her with details. But the need for narrative pace here is all-too-obvious. They are trying to salvage viewers. We don’t get the luxury of slow burn. They’ve put an uncomfortable, unnatural fire beneath this story.

SEPERATION WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM little girl. The original curse needed a Saviour. The original curse needed Emma Swan to break it. The Fairy-Tale refugees lived TOGETHER in ignorance for 28 years. I hate it when shows forget their own story.

Let me guess – Hyacinth is going to be her lucky flower. The writing is anvilicious as ever. I’m sure there will be more added to this list – the “need to write your own story” seems to be a theme we’re going to get a lot of.

HenryElla reactions: Not seeing much chemistry. But I’m willing to say it’s because I don’t want to buy what they’re selling. My choice. Henry being all upfront about the stories is annoying – like it perfectly demonstrates what I was talking about in my opening rant… it treats her like a character rather than a person… and it makes me uncomfortable. The flirting feels forced and unnatural – you can see the words from the script all too clearly. And they want us to believe that Cinders can ride a motorcycle after one verbal lesson. Impossible. And is the punch to the face supposed to put them in the class of Snowing and Captain Swan ? It doesn’t. I love the Rock and the Compass moments for Snow and Emma (see my user name) – they were both up against it, in danger of being captured (by the blokes who would turn out to be their true loves no less) and they did what they needed to do to get the upper hand. Sorry Cinders punching Henry to steal his bike is not in the same category. And the attempt to start this romance by borrowing from its better predecessors is just waaaay to transparent.

Ugh. Roni.

She’s calling him “Kid” now?

Henry to Roni - “Imagine if I walked through that door and told you I was your son.” Audience - Oh wait - you are her son!!

What clumsy heavy-handed writing; adding that to my anvilicious list.

Tiana cooks. Nice. (and the frogs legs line was very good too).

Why would Step mother have any rights to the custody of Lucy? And we get it – this woman is your step mother – how many times did they refer to that in one scene (Four. Four times in 40 seconds)

And why is Ms Belfry so attached to Lucy anyway? How was she ever given access to Cinderella’s child at all if she’s always been this evil biatch? The Devil Wear’s Prada riff was nothing but deliberate. Obviously so.

Here’s another of what I suspect will be a reoccurring themes – “Never rely on Magic. Magic isn’t power.” And “Fear lasts forever”.

Oh here we go – A wishing well in a dirty old vacant block. Lemme guess, as the proverbial sense of “hope” returns to Hyperion Heights this vacant lot will blossom and bloom with life and forge a sense of community … and then Ms Belfry will bulldoze it…

The Ball. The lucky flower is back already. Wasn’t expecting it quite so soon. (hmmm. What’s going to grow in that vacant lot I wonder?)

Drizella’s (is that her name?) dress is fantastic.

Did we even see the dagger in the motorbike stealing scene?

Oh yeah. Cinderella/Jacinda ‘doesn’t believe in signs’ (adding to the list…)

Alice is intriguing. And clearly doesn’t want Henry interrupting “the story”

Yes – please please please make Rumple/Weaver unequivocally villainous again. I bet they won’t but whatever. I don’t expect him to last the season.

Aaargh – “not too happy with your story? What would you change?” says Henry… seriously? Who wrote this dialogue? It’s about as sophisticated as a piece of string...

And why isn’t Jacinda telling whatever-her-name-Belfry to fuck the fuck off. As far as I know, a grandparent, let alone a step-grandparent has no legal rights whatsoever to a grandchild so writing that she does without giving some reason for it is just infuriating. And the blurred lines between everyone freely talking about fairy-tales and authors is so messy – how would Ms Belfry know about Henry or what Lucy has been talking to him about – he is an unsuccessful author of absolutely no note. And yet everyone (and by everyone I mean Belfry) seems to know exactly who he is and why he’s there. Maybe they do; but it comes across as narrative convenience or confusion, like the writers have forgotten who knows what.

Sorry. Why would Roni get so emotional about Belfry telling Henry off? It just screams manufactured emotion with no substance.

Stolen car? Or was it towed Henry? For parking too close to a mail box? Just pointing that out.

Hook the Cop! Who cares when others don’t . . . I just hope they don’t woobify him too much. At all. looks like that’s what they are doing.

Ugh this is awful – “Wait. You’re Alice. Alice from Wonderland?” The use of Henry, the Author as all-knowing expert to point out what the audience already worked out is just horrible! My initial problem with the premise continues to get reinforced. Maybe this will dilute as the season progresses and such but at the moment the awful, awful writing is not helping the cause at all.

“When it’s not your story, bad things happen” – another theme? How many is that already? And again, it signposts issues with the premise. And by bad things, we’re talking curse aren’t we. So if Henry is in the wrong story and sets about the curse in motion … this is making my head hurt. It’s all so very snake-eating-itself.

Henry and his hero kink…. Was tiresome before and is just as tiresome now…

Why the fuck did Alice let him go???

oh god, would you look at that; Lucy is planting Hyacinth “seeds” - they should be bulbs. Good lord, if they wanted a shot of her scattering seeds, why not pick a flower with seeds? I guess the blue colour (and it’s connection to Cinderella) was more important than botanical correctness. Lol.

Lucy and Henry have a nice chemistry – easily the most believable of the new characters – but Lucy’s dialogue is not great – mini-adult rather than authentic kid. Henry, in season one was written well and then it seems like A&E forgot how to write good child and they haven’t got it back with Lucy. It doesn’t help that she is being asked to be the narrative conduit for all the information about the curse and current situation and is being given no luxury of time to let the story flow organically. It all feels very rushed and very forced and ungainly.

Step Mother is Regina 2.0 then. Setting up Cinders to take the rap for murder, just like Regina did to Snow, only Stepmum is much more to the point. Public murder no lest, by her own hand. I’ll struggle with this a lot if we’re supposed to interpret everything Belfrey does as evil when she is a clone of Regina (even a supposedly redeemed Regina). No doubt they’ll give step mama a sad backstory and make us all feel sorry for her and then they’ll all make friends and skip around the hyacinth flowers in the community garden together...

And could they hammer home the whole “stories beginning” any harder that they are. It’s like being tortured with the concept… which is so annoying because we get that this is a “new beginning” for this ridiculous show but the instance that Jacinda and Lucy have to ‘start their story’ is just dumb. The story is in progress - they might be looking for a change but to keep repeating “the story” “the story” “the story” over and over is moronic. People don’t talk like that. A&E love their themes more than believable dialogue.

I get that they want Hook to look in the book, but how the fuck did Drizella know about it being in Lucy’s back pack – how did anyone know that she had it??

And why does Lucy have to go to Ms Belfry again? This is just silly.

Not to spoil a good scene where Hook is obviously seeing something of import on the page, but there are no other pictures in the book except the one he stops on… and jesus Colin, try to muster a little enthusiasm here…

Now they add a little conflict between Henry and Jacinda just to keep the pot bubbling- after all those attempted heart-eyes earlier we can’t give them too easy a path to true love now can we?

Portals are on timers now?

For real? We’re still using “Operation insert-word-here” to name the mission? It was puke worthy after season two. I thought Henry had grown up?

How does Ms Belfry have the power to promote a cop?

Hook trapped with Rumple as his policing partner…. Let’s just say I’m dubious, although it might give both these characters some scope for an interesting story. Depending on what Rumple’s game is.

So Roni doesn’t know how the legalities of sale of real-estate works (or the writer’s don’t), whatever. But the refusal to part with the bar sets up Roni to give a painfully manufactured ‘hope’ speech – inspired by Jacinda apparently – who ‘wouldn’t give in” to Ms Belfrey, even though Lucy still ended up in her grandmother’s custody and Jacinda did precious little to stop it. OUAT has had this habit for a while – making the character say things that are not backed up by the actual events. It’s just one of the reasons the writing on this show is so weak. It shows they have a lot of trouble of getting ideas and actualities to mesh and support each other.

“today I watched you walk into my bar acting like you owned the place” Oh the irony! I’m laughing my guts up here – if you read anything I wrote for the previous seasons of OUAT you will know that this is a particular beef I had with Regina, particularly in season 6 - She was always barging into places like she owned the joint – she believed she did own the town - and in SB no one questioned her actions! And now, here in HH it’s an affront to Regina/Roni that someone does the same to her? Now this would all be great if there was a remote chance that Regina would learn a lesson from it. If Ms Belfry’s character was a mirror for Regina to see her own reflection and actually address her past and undertake an authentic redemption – BUT IT WON’T - because the writers are incapable of complex storytelling and are too scared to tackle anything unpleasant. I will never believe in Regina as the hero of the people. I will never believe Regina as a worthy leader. The show didn’t do a remotely satisfying job in selling her “redemption” the first time around. Maybe Roni, the cursed persona is supposed to be different – maybe that IS the irony, that Roni gets affronted by things that were habitual to Regina, but I’m pretty sure (like 99%) that Roni is merely a way to write Regina as a white-washed hero and for her to assume the new position of a Snow-Emma-Granny hybrid. Nope. Still don’t like her. She feels like a fraud. And never, ever give her dramatic voice-overs. They never work well. (And this one just goes on and on and on…) Could they be more obvious that they wanted Regina/Roni to check all the boxes, make sure she says all the catchphrases and touches on all the themes? it’s a crowning moment of anvilicious dialogue.

Regina calling Ms Belfry a bully? That’s rich. It’s like the pot calling the kettle black. And the sad part is I don’t think the writer’s even realise it! I see what people who saw the screener meant when they said that the show now belongs to Regina – she has become the ‘voice’ of the narrative. It makes me very sad.

Sheesh, so they bust the myth of Henry’s dead family straight away? The break-neck speed of exposition is so inelegant.

Hook looking at the picture of Emma – about the most interesting 5 seconds of the entire episode.

The music, Roni’s heavy-handed voice-over, it all made me feel very uncomfortable. It was just a big hulking reminder of what is not there anymore. It all just felt so obvious that the show is trying too hard to recapture something that it has lost and I don’t think it will ever get back.

#ouat #ouat season 7 #season 7 reactions

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