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i-love-hobbies · 3 years

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(This isn't an anti-Eda, anti-Lilith or anti-Bump post. Just read this fully, please!)

Murder and violence are not ok!

This whole thing started literally after s1ep2 where Eda murdered a dude on screen.

What am I talking about?

"It's just a cartoon. Don't read too much into it."

I don't have a very strong opinion on this but I'm not a fan of normalizing murder. Also "Heroes that are genocidal maniacs, kill the villain cause he's awful." sounds extremely cringe.

And why are you reading a post that analyses a part of a cartoon right now?

"Death is normal on the Boiling isles, so that makes it ok."

Woah, woah! WHAT?

If everyone used that logic, slavery would still be a thing.

Just cause it's normalized in a culture doesn't mean it's less harmful or that everyone that comes from that culture does it.

It can be used to explain someone's actions, but not excuse them.

The ignorance of context.

1. Eda's murders

First I wanna point out that it was never emotional, it was all calculated. Remember when Tibbles scammed her, she didn't attack him back. None of her kills are revenge. She has always had something to win from them.

She has murdered two people, probably more, Adegast and Tibbles.

If she didn't kill Adegast. I can see this going two ways. He would starve to death, which means she put him out of his misery or he would slowly go back to full power which ties with Tibbles.

Batman kills the Joker.

No they are not as bad as the Joker but they would have continued trying to hurt her untill they got the idea of killing Willow and Gus in their sleep. TIBBLES KNEW THEIR ADDRESS!

Also if they were willing to do this. Who knows what else they have done to other people too. By doing this she has saved more lifes than she has taken (mostly kids).

Plus this willingness to kill is probably the reason Luz can go to school. Eda's enemies know that if they become an actual treat, things won't end well.

Her enemies are criminals. They are not stupid enough to think that she is helpless without magic. Especially now that she isn't running from the law.

- Now on to almost killing Amity in s1ep5 by making Luz cheat. That was messed up but not that badly.

Witches are harder to hurt, there were healers around who would help a Blight. She saw Amity use abomination so she knew mainly her traps were gonna be activated by a non-living thing.

Luz was going to be injured if that didn't happen. Amity was not in control of her strength and I don't think Lilith thought this trough. Though both sisters would have probably intervened when this got out of hand.

She also isn't the one to force Luz into the fight as many people have said. She has never on screen forced her opinion on someone else except in s1ep9 which was to protect her from school and changed in that episode. Luz just couldn't leave cause quitting ment never being able to perform magic.

Now I know that the right thing to do here was for her to try talk things through. I'm just saying it's not as bad as it seems.

2. Eda's scamming

To get my point across I'm gonna compare it to Wordlob.

Hers is the equivalent of you trying to buy gold and getting plastic. His is the equivalent of you're desperate for a cure and he promises to give it to you and then steals all your money and leaves you to die.

You're not going to try to buy gold when your desperate are you?

Scamming can take different forms and hers is the least harmful.

And consider this, what else can she do to put food on the table with her two adopted kids, Hooty and Owlbert. She can't find a legal job, cause that would be helping Belos, she'll die before she does that and she definitely knows ways to disguise herself but that puts her at risk as well.

3. Lilith's redemption arc still works

Yes, she did murder a bird in s1ep18, but the way it talked and acted. It seemed like it was mimicking speach.

Yes, she did almost kill a child, but she has made up for it probably in that week and a half that we didn't see considering this is the Boiling isles and everything is trying to kill you.

Plus, Eda only talked about the curse, considering "You hurt Luz, you cursed me!" She is not the person who would forget about her kid.

Bonus, she did make up for it on screen as well. In s2ep2 she saved King from Eda's experiments. In s2ep3 she saved Luz and King with her ice glyphs, when she could have just left, giving time for Eda to get them out of there. If Eda didn't show up Lilith would be dead.

4. Bump's jokes

- Dissecting Luz

I don't know why everyone talks about Bump and Amity trying to dissect Luz. They weren't certain if this was going to kill her. They weren't certain if she was alive. All they knew was that the lie will be broken if this would kill her.

Yes, they did try to catch her later on, but not to kill her. They wanted to make sense of what's going on and hopefully find her parents so she gets at the very least a talk on why she shouldn't do this.

Willow just overreacted which in return made Luz do the same.

- Bump's detention room

This room is a hypnosis one. Hypnosis is a job in real life. It can be dangerous but that can also be said about therapy if the therapist is bad. Depends on who does it.

"Impressive still alive!" This is a joke.

If a hypnotic session is stopped in the middle, you'd be too relaxed to be able to move. He was fine, he just needed some time.

- Bump's add

Everything that attacked Matt was alive. He probably did something to piss them off. But yeah Bump should have done something.

- Detention track

Guys knowing what he did for Willow in s1ep3, it's obvious that he was in a lot of stress. If he did what he did in that episode regularly. You just touch an orb and byeeeeee. Then this place should have been crowded.

Plus the wall with troublemakers' names had what six names and a portrait of lord calamity. Eda left school before three decades. And that's all we got.

He was probably not gonna keep them there even though he said so. He probably wasn't even planning that.

- Grom was very messed up. I have nothing to say except I wouldn't be surprised if the Emporer's coven forces this to be a thing and refuses to send actual adults, so the kids learn from a young age or whatever.

- Same with the photomemory class.

- "Bosha got away with murder. I can't say I approve, but at least she's trying new things."

This was a joke. Bosha's parents definitely have influence. His hands are tied like usual so he has learned to make jokes out of it. Plus since when are principals responsible for what happens out of school grounds.

5. The bat queen

She is a protector of palismans and I don't think she started to kill until the government was against her (I'm talking about her cave having bones all over it.)

I can't say it's completely justified like I did with Eda. But I don't see a way out of it where palisman wouldn't be extinct.

Now let's see our vilians' behaviour

1. Adegast

He was trying to kill Eda for his business by using a child as a bait.

2. Tibbles

He almost murdered four children so his stand is revenged.

3. Piniate

Is keeping people captive and literally is making them helpless as a punishment for not writing a book.

4. Demon hunters

They were gonna trow kids off a cliff. I'm not sure why actually.

5. The cat ladies

They were kidnapping children for their cafe.

6. The "coven" inspecture

She was stealing all the magic from none other than kids for power.

7. Wordlob

Who knows how many people have died, lost their jobs and so one, cause of his scams. All for money.

8. Warden wrath

He cut Eda's head so she goes out with him. Captures people for nothing.

9. Odalia and Alador

Alador was not stopping Odalia from trying to kill Luz. In their mind this was gonna help in combination with their child abuse, with their daughter helping their business. Everything they have done for now is for their business.

They backed up when Alador saw an opportunity for THEIR BUSINESS.

10. Kikimora

She tried to murder a child, cause of jealousy. Uses her authority to make the system even worse, cause how dare them look in her direction.

11. Belos

Is abusing a child and abused Lilith. Is the reason that palisman are getting extinct. Wild magic= death sentence. Basically created a horrible authority system that has created a lot of suffering and who knows how many it has killed. Probably all for power, though we don't know completely.

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lollytea · 2 years

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Would Gus know about Hunter and Matt's beef or would he be oblivious and when he hangs out with the two of them he thinks they're all having an awesome bro time

Hell ya an opportunity to talk more about the Bullshit Drama.

The idea of Hunter and Matt glaring at each other with bloody murder in their eyes while Gus stands between them like :) completely head empty is SO fucking funny. However Gus is smarter than that.

Going off Labyrinth Runners, he's observant to peoples' emotions and notices when things aren't right. And considering these are his best friends who he knows well, he's obviously gonna be pretty attuned to the tension. Plus Hunter would be terrible at hiding his resentment. He's terrible at hiding most emotions. Matt, meanwhile, is such an obnoxious little prick that trying to make nice with somebody he hates doesn't even occur to him.

So Gus knows Hunter and Matt hate each other. But no matter how hard he thinks about it, he can't figure out why. They refuse to tell him. Gus is completely bewildered by it cause he assumed they'd get along great. They both have a similar sense of humor, they both like Ruler's Reach and Blademage, they're both competitive and snarky and ridiculously edgy in an endearing sorta way.

And they've barely even spoken to each other?? It's like they hated each other on sight?? What the fuck is up with that??

Matt would rather die than tell Gus he's jealous of Hunter. Like. It's not fucking happening. I see Matt and Gus as having this really tight bond full of jokes and playful antagonism but they simply do not acknowledge that they actually care about each other. Gus will be jokingly affectionate sometimes for the sake of annoying Matt (See the little photo of them from LR.) but other than that, their friendship is not a sentimental one. Matt neither wants nor knows how to tell Gus that he cares about him. So he's unable to admit that he feels threatened by Gus's bond with Hunter. (Hunter's ability to easily be kind and warm to Gus is another thing that makes Matt want to tear his own skin off.)

Meanwhile, Hunter is usually capable of being vulnerable with Gus. He tells him almost everything. But this time it feels different because Hunter is self aware enough to KNOW how stupid and petty he's being. He recognizes this jealousy as so stupidly childish that he's overwhelmed with shame because of it. He's nearly 17 fucking years old for Titan's sake. And while the two of them always listen to each others' vents, Hunter knows Gus looks up to him and would lose a ton of respect if he knew about this. So Hunter just. Can't. He can't tell him.

(They can't even use the Steve excuse for similar reasons. Hunter saying he hates Matt cause he was jealous of him six fucking years ago?? That's pathetic. And maybe Matt is also too proud to admit just how much he idolizes his big brother.)

Funnily enough, King made a correct assumption of what was going on. (Remember that he went though something similar when Luz started spending more time with Gus and Willow.) And he actually suggested this might be the reason to Gus after a disastrous Boys Night which ended in a nasty shouting match.

Gus dismissed it immediately. Because Hunter and Matt have never fucking communicated their feelings, Gus would have no reason to believe this is the case. Hunter is obviously not a jealous person. Half of Hexside has a crush on his girlfriend and he doesn't bat an eye. And, though he knows they're friends who like each other just fine, he severely underestimates just how much Matt likes him. So unless Hunter and Matt actually spell things out for him, Gus remains oblivious.

He has no idea how to make Hunter and Matt get along but he really wants them to be friends. He sorta gave up on Willow, Luz and Amity liking Matt. They're just NOT meant to be buddies. But he sees such potential for Matt and Hunter that he's determined to make them see eye-to-eye.

This probably involves so much shenanigans and plotting on Gus's end. It's a complete dumpster fire every single time but he never stops trying. He's locking them in closets and shit and forcing them to talk. This was a very bad idea because Matt is basically an annoying yappy little chihuahua who shits where he pleases and Hunter is a strictly trained rottweiler who will not attack unless he's ordered but if the yappy little chihuahua pushes enough buttons, on Titan he will tear the little bastard limb from limb. So it is recommended not locking them in a confined space together.

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