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skunkes · 4 months
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might change talon's backstory of loss to focus more on
The Broader Family and Community he loses rather than Fridged + Forever Untouched Love...(solely bc of the untouched part. I am never going to develop his life connections much further) idk. him having been a father still currently important to me but his grief being focused more on the general family + community is more in line with him being The Same, But Opposite of me
It also makes sense wrt sharing the same brain like. You have many people who love you ➡️ you lose them and it seems like you can never finish grieving ➡️ you miss Community and Company but theres no more room in you to care for and potentially lose anybody else
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nightshadedawn · 6 years
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This is a link to my Slavery!AU. And it’s actually kinda interesting?
Basically, I followed a prompt that said “ When you save someone's life, it becomes forfeit, and they're forever in your debt. Effectively, this means that superheroes are some of the largest slave owners on the planet." And I ran with it. 
But I’m also not continuing it, but there’s a lot of world building going on here, so I wanted to share it. Keep reading for the world building.
Things I wrote about in the notes:
- Toshinori is Izuku's dad. Inko was saved by him early on in his career and he's been supporting them both from far away to keep them both safe. He has not seen them in years due to his hero work. - Izuku still got One For All, but didn't yet know that All Might is his dad. - Izuku managed to get Katsuki into UA by taking the tag off the collar and fashioning it onto a bracelet. Neither of them will get into trouble for it (at UA), by the order Izuku gives that Katsuki will only be free if Katsuki saves him. - Both end up free, but Katsuki doesn't leave because LOVE. - All Might's Servant community is fucking fantastic. - All Might has more slaves than Endeavor, because his main focus is making sure everyone is safe while Endeavor focuses on beating the bad guy. - The idea of slaves, and slave holders, is not not weird or looked down upon because they have grown up with these laws. They're not perfect, and some wish things about them could be changed, but in the end no one directly wants them GONE. - Illegal slave holding is still punishable by the law. Like kidnapping someone and selling them into slavery.
Thing I wrote about in the comments:
Q:  With heroes saving so many people, it kinda feels like the majority of the population would be slaves.
A:  That's where the direct saves come in. Take the episode with Mt. Lady for example from early in in the first season. Those people gathered to WATCH the fight, but weren't in any life threatening danger. So she wouldn't have aquired any slaves. However, All Might, who saved hundreds of people in his debut, did. A good portion of the population being slaves though, would likely keep a surplus of heroes happening.
Q:  Do you know what would be the extent of slave-owning? Would the government object if a master chose to kill their slave/s?
A:  - Basically, a Master could likely use their slave for anything and not get in trouble. However, slaves are STILL human, therefore, if a master were to kill their slave, they would be put on trial. Their punishment, if they received one, wouldn't be as harsh as it would be if it were a free person. Judges, after all, are humans as well with their own opinions on slave owning and their bias would likely filter in.
Q: Does the concept apply to the whole world, or is it just a thing that happens in that particular country?
A:  - It applies to the whole world. It's basically something ingrained in the people by that point.
Q; Is there no way for an owner to let go of their slave/s?
A:  - Kinda like the Katsuki/Izuku thing, there can be arrangements made. Some could go the route of "Seven years complete servitude to me and you go free" or "Do this and you're free". Some people on the more wrong side could go the Beauty and Beast approach and do something like "in exchange for [family member], I'll give you your freedom". However, unlike the slaves in this world, most of them are pretty well off. Because of it usually being people high in power who become Masters, they take care of their slaves (like All Might does). And the only things slaves really CAN'T do is go into positions that would enable them to easily save people.
Q: Also, (this is going to be complicated) let's say a master has multiple slaves. If one of the slaves attacks the master and another slave saves said master having planned this as a mutiny together, does the slave who saved his master become the master himself, or are they now back on equal ground? And if it gets found out that it was indeed a mutiny, does having saved the master's life still count?
A:  - I think that it would only really count if the one who saved the master wasn't involved in any mutiny plots, because otherwise they would be part of attempted murder. If they just wanted to transfer power, there was no real need for him to be saved in the first place and therefore no transfer would happen.
Q: If a master with multiple slaves become a slave himself, do they still get to keep their own slaves, do they lose them, or are they transferred to the new owner?
A:  - I was actually thinking about this as well. It'll probably depend on the writer. If you have slaves prior to being saved, then you can probably keep them. It just becomes a hierarchy thing and your slaves end up with two masters. But it probably depends mostly on the writer, as said before.
Q: If someone pregnant is saved, does the slave-owning apply to her baby as well?
A:  - Another good question. As slavery doesn't pass on to children, but the woman is pregnant... This is also likely to depend on the writer as well. As an unborn child is still a person, I would believe that yes, you've just obtained two if you saved a pregnant woman. But probably only if she's so far along. Some maybe don't see babies that way? So, it all depends there as well.
Q: If someone is a slave and gets saved a second time by a different person, do they become a slave to both of their saviors?
A:  - I don't think so. The second would likely just be compensated for the rescue of the slave.
Q: Are slaves/masters obligated to keep in contact with their slave/master?
A:  - They're not. But most Masters keep their slaves close to keep an eye on them in case they DO want something. But in case they don't, this is where the collars and bracelets come in. The collars have the name of their owner on the outside while their name is on the inside (I imagine this to be a little slip on thingy, I can't recall the name of), and it has a tracking device in it. The bracelets have the Master's name on it while there's a bar code under it. Take a picture of the bar code, and all the slaves under this master pop up. With this page of people, you can find out just about anything about them, including address and number, so you can give them an order. Many hero masters keep their pages locked with passwords so their slaves aren't in danger from getting hacked.
Q: What are the governmental repercussions of not following orders from owners?
A:  - There's not a lot, honestly. Depending on the severity of the order they disobeyed, they could end up with a fine or light jail time (at most, two to three years). But most of the punishment for disobeying orders falls on the Masters. But say if Master ordered their slave to not tell anyone about something illegal they were doing, like smuggling, but they did get in trouble and their master was caught, there wouldn't be any repercussions. - So answer the question you're probably wondering now- if a Master is put in jail for anywhere upwards of two years, the slave is free.
This commentor didn’t split up the questions up like the previous one, so most of it will be in a block of text.
Q: All Might submitted izuku's DNA profile to the police for his collar before the rescue, which made the whole mess involving Izuku and the slime villain moot. Would they check if the rescuer is related to the one they rescued in case of unknown connection? When the profile came back with paternity to All Might, /could/ All Might have been his master if Izuku is his kid? Or would it have been become null void anyway because parents are expected to save their child? What about people in positions of protection like police officers or teachers? Obviously Heroes are some sort of exception, but does CPS have a stack of slaves of their own from getting children out of bad situations that risk their lives?
Also in your notes you say Bakugou would be free if he saved Izuku and only Izuku due to him making some sort of special deal, I'm assuming in that case both would be free? And not that ownership would simply transfer over to Bakugou; it would be a 1-1 situation?
What would happen in situations where it was a coordinated rescue like the Bakugou rescue Arc? Todoroki made the ramp, Izuki kicked off, Iida kept them moving, and Kirishima actually grabbed him. Would none of them get ownership because it took more than one life to save the life, or would it go to Kirishima for actually grabbing him, or draw a lots or something?
What would happen if someone who's already owned by somebody else is rescued? Would the second person be able to get some sort of renumeration for saving the property of another?
A: - "The second [savoir] would likely just be compensated for the rescue of the slave." - So I haven't actually gotten there yet? Almost, but I haven't gotten to Bakugou's rescue. If we're speaking along the lines of Bakugou wasn't yet a slave, then it would either be Kirishima or none. Because if Kirishima hadn't grabbed onto him and the rescue failed, well, yeah. But if he wasn't actually in danger of DYING (as I said, I haven't gotten there yet) then they wouldn't get ownership. - "Kinda like the Katsuki/Izuku thing, there can be arrangements made. Some could go the route of "Seven years complete servitude to me and you go free" or "Do this and you're free"." So, yes, they'd both be free. Izuku could have told him to do the easiest thing possible, but that would have been insulting to Bakugou, and this way, things will still likely work out. - The direct saves come into play here. If I hadn't added that rule, they probably would. But... it takes a lot of work. There needs to be evidence. And who would get ownership of the child? The one who reported the situation? CPS? It would get too complicated. If it were reported and CPS walked in at the time of the child being hurt, then they'd likely end up with ownership. Otherwise, the child is still free. - Under heroes, police workers and firefighters and doctors are the largest slave owners. Teachers... I feel is almost a long shot. A teacher steps in front of a shoot to save one of their students? If they survive, likely. Other than school shootings, teachers would likely have to act as any other would to obtain a slave... - On the All Might things... Um, good question? Parents are, mostly, exempt from being Masters of their children. Heroes, however... Ones light All Might, who doesn't show his real image to the public, would have to take Izuku on as his slave even with the knowledge of who he is. In this way, he'd also probably be protecting him... If by unknown connection, you mean blood relation, eh, it's a bit iffy. People could occasionally become Masters of their siblings, though not all that common. Here, I think it depends on who write the story. If by connection you mean if they knew each other and were friends or something- no one really cares.
Q: How young is a child exempt from slavery, are they exempt even as babies? If a 2 year old is being babysat and the babysitter sees there about to stick a fork in an outlet and grabs it at the last possible second is that enough? Because I could see daycare workers, especially when new quirks are manifesting having saved more than a few kids. Kids are dumb. I mean, teenagers are dumb too, but at least they can differentiate between fantasy, reality and what's going to maim them. Usually. If someone's dying or injured badly enough they could die and you step in to heal them would that count? Because if that's the case Recovery Girl would probably own Izuku in under a week.
I kind of wonder what happens if you save someone who's a slave owner. I can't remember if that was mentioned. Like Izuku and the others saved Native. Native was a hero and so might have had some slaves. Obviously I'm ignoring the whole publicly they couldn't acknowledge fighting Stain thing, but if Izuku was deemed as having done the saving because he called the back up and fought Stain in the meantime while he was making a concerted effort to stab the two, and he'd said he had no interest in killing Izuku so he could have just walked off, and all that would he get Native's slaves or would those slaves go free?
For the unknown connection I was mainly thinking of if the person didn't know that they were a parent. Like say a hero screwed around way back and ended up rescuing their own kid years later that they didn't know about. Would the fact that they thought that they were saving a stranger making a difference either? Would they do DNA checks to make sure something like that doesn't happen or was the DNA simply to have it on file in case he tried a runner?
If all of the collars have to be in his real name, and he's the person with the most slaves in the entire country, I'm guessing his real name is more or less an Open Secret at this point. Just saying. Which would actually be pretty funny if the person who (hopefully) takes this up ran with, though that might be hard to justify. If it's so easy to let those under your control free, does All Might pick really simple little tasks so he doesn't have so many? Considering his personality and the risk of his name being out there, you think he'd want to get rid of them as fast as possible.
Also if the name of the owners on the collar and his mom is owned by him, why doesn't he recognize the name Toshinori Yagi? Does she hide the tag or do they make little tag covers or something so they can't be read by people you're interacting with? Is it a classist thing to hide your tag if your owned, like if you're above a certain class you never go out without it covered or the opposite? Any other cultural effect to tag hiding even if slave themselves aren't look down on?
I think you mentioned that Izuku's mom and him lived comfortably because of her owner though the way it's phrased it might just have been because he was Izuku's father, how much taking care of does the owner actually have to do? Can they just ignore them, or are they required to give them a stipend or see to their housing? Is Izuku now required to go over and interview Bakugou's parents and make sure his needs are being taken care of? Because while hilarious I think that might be awkward.
A:  - Okay, so, with the daycare thing, very little of those children would likely end up slaves. Even babies are not exempt from the laws, but toddlers can get into a lot of mischief. However, if it's not reported, then no one does anything about it. Most daycare workers probably don't want to take the small children away from their parents, or be sued by angry parents for letting the children get into near death experiences they needed to be saved from in the first place. So they probably don't report it. There's a lot of "would be" slavery that goes on but doesn't actually happen because both parties decide to act like it didn't happen. - "I was actually thinking about this as well. It'll probably depend on the writer. If you have slaves prior to being saved, then you can probably keep them. It just becomes a hierarchy thing and your slaves end up with two masters. But it probably depends mostly on the writer, as said before." To add on a bit to this idea, I feel almost as if some of the things UA does helps to weed out students so there aren't so many. Because in the entrance exam, Izuku saved Uraraka... I think that's a bit off topic for this question. - The DNA is mostly for those who try to run and forcefully escape slavery. It doesn't matter if they're related, to those who make the collars and bracelets. But if the hero finds out, they'd likely make a task or something for the child to do. - Those who ARE his slaves know who he is (and Izuku, because he basically prematurely spilled the beans). But because most all of his slaves live in the same community, they aren't too badgered about it. Most outsiders leave it alone, because while the world knows it's "All Might's Space". Sure, someone could infiltrate it, but it's not like it's big lettering on the collars. It's average and mostly blends in. It's made so it can be easily seen up close. Those he can't trust with his secret- maybe a convict or something- he likely would set them free. But those he needs a reason to justify taking care of- like a kid who's got no home, or abusive parents, he'd move to his little community where they don't have to worry about it. Because they basically know that if his secrets gets out and he's sabotaged, everything good goes away. (Though, an open secret would be interesting, if played right) - On another note- the reason why Inko doesn't live in the community is because a) she could be trusted, and b) she was pregnant with All Might's kid and he thought they'd both be safer if no one made any connotation to him. - Izuku likely didn't recognize the name because he was freaking out too much. If he'd gone home and told his mom, she would have spilled all the beans about knowing everything and right then and there would have probably contacts Toshinori and went all Mama Hare on him. (Yes, I call her Mama Hare because it's a pun and Izuku's hero outfit makes him look like a bunny) As for the social effects of a collar... Well, some places would likely consider them liabilities due to the fact their master could call them away at any time. But given a trial run, they'd probably get a job if they could perform it better than any other. The tags on collars are removable, so some people make stylized ones, and for those people they're an accessory. For someone who was saved by a hero or the way they're saved is cool, they're proud to wear it. Some people do hide them, because they're ashamed. Or the reasons for being saved are shameful. It's not strictly illegal to take the tag off and put it on another accessory- like Izuku makes Katsuki's into a bracelet- but the repercussions of claiming to be something you're not can be troublesome.
- All Might takes care of all of his slaves, but even if he hasn't spoken to her in years for her own safety, he's particularly fond of Inko. The master is not obligated to take care of their slaves, but they're usually looked down upon and guilt rides up if they don't. If they really so wish it, they can just ignore their slaves. Some could, during the presenting of the collar, say "I never want to see you again."
If anyone has anymore questions, feel free to ask. I love world building. And if you would like to make anything for this world, please share it with me! I’d love to see it! But I’ll go for now. This is my contribution to the world of AUs in the My Hero Academia fandom.
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greengargouille · 7 years
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I felt the dire need to talk about Korosensei and Aguri, and more precisely why I don’t see their relationship as romantic. Somehow, this ended up pretty long.
(Note : for convenience’s sake, I will use ‘Korosensei’ even to talk about his past human form)
It’s not a matter of “Korosensei is to blame for Aguri’s death”. It wasn’t intentional on his part, and even if he had taken time to think about it, would he really have imagined Aguri doing such a reckless thing as she did ? (doesn’t mean he is to blame any less, tho). Heck, stories where a person kills their love interest for a good reason could be really interesting, like some kind of twisted Trolley problem, but that’s not what happened so let’s leave it at that.
If I were to convey my feelings into words, I think there would be three main points that makes me unable to appreciate this relationship:
1)We don’t actually see much of Aguri in her other relationships. Before Kayano’s arc, we have two mentions of Aguri ; one in chapter 1, a brief flashback from Korosensei ; and in chapter 76, between some students, which can basically be summed up as one page of ‘we had a former teacher that disappeared’, one panel of ‘I liked them, they were nice’ (keep in mind that the sentences were gender neutral), and then one panel to reveal said teacher was called ‘Yukimura’.
Then come Kayano’s reveal. When the story stop to explain us how and why she got tentacles, we don’t really focus on why is Akari so attached to her sister. Chapter 131 had one and an half pages to explain Aguri liked her teacher job, and she was nice and passionated.
Since the past time arc is mostly from Korosensei’s point of view it’s even a bit weird that it’s not solely his, given he’s supposed to be telling the story to his students, most of what we see of Aguri is with her developing relationship with him. We see her interacting with the former class E for two pages, sure. We see her interacting with Yanagisawa. But, the moment with our class E or the phone call to Akari ? It’s mostly to tease Aguri that ‘she found a man’ (we will come back to that later) ; it does imply some friendliness between them, else they wouldn’t say such things, but not much else.
The story post-tentacled!Kayano isn’t that much better. A brief half-page mention during Volume 17 saying Aguri wanted Korosensei to live, one case in chapter 153 on how she put her life on the line to save Korosensei, a photo of her on a chocolate on Korosensei... You can start to see a pattern here. The moments on the top of my head who break this are Yanagisawa’s flashback in chapter 157 and a mention from the Chairman in chapter 160.
A lot of those relationships are really... informed. We hear people say she was this or that, but we don’t actually see a lot of those interactions. For all the ill I could say about the second live action movie, at least they have a small scene of a young Akari baking with her big sis ; those are those kind of little moments that would make us understand why is this relationship valuable. This contrast a lot with Aguri’s relationship with Korosensei, that start from ‘this person could be useful to me’/”Eeeh you looks nice but if I release you you will kill me” to the tentacle hand scene (each wanting to express their thanks to each other and wanting to touch the other).
And then Aguri dies, the sacrifice saving Korosensei from becoming a bloodlust-fueled beast and motivating him to become a better person (and to teach class E).
So... a character that exists mostly for Korosensei’s development and motivations (yes, even more than for her own sister), that is then disposed and appear really occasionally for a one-panel flashback. Matsui, may I direct you to Tv Tropes ? I think you will find the example list on Disposable Woman and Stuffed Into the Fridge are long enough as it is.
Not that tropes are necessarily bad, but when it becomes recurrent that a female character exist solely to be killed so the main male character get development, it’s really tiring. And so, Korosensei and Aguri’s bond feel in retrospect less like a genuine relationship and more like a plot device. And by relationship, I do include the possibility of it being platonic, even if the manga would rather us see it the other way. Speaking of that, next point...
2)The story forces us to see it as a romance. I said we would come back to Aguri’s interaction with class E, so here we go. The students see their teacher is particularly happy, and are quick to jump on the conclusion that she must be meeting with a man she loves after school. Silly middle schoolers, no wonder they jumped on Irina’s signs of a crush as soon as they heard about it.
Next chapter starts with Akari asking her sis if she’s in love, since she sounds more cheerful, and despite her sister’s protests she says she wants to her about ‘that guy’ on her mind later.
Did you see the parallel? Wait, let me rephrase it.
Aguri seems happy, so others assume she’s in love. With a man, obviously ; same-gender romance can’t exist in the main story if it’s not a joke on Kataoka, else it’s best left as a mention on extra-material (right, Yada ?).
But... why? Why couldn’t she be happy because, say, she would met a friend or a family member after classes and just packed a gift she know would make them happy? Well, Akari know about their family’s situation but it’s unlikely Aguri told her about the gift, so for all the knew her sister could just be happy because she had time off-work or got rid of a very stressful thing, no need to see a relationship in this.
It’s tied to the idea, even more prevalent in Japan, that all women seeks romance and need an happy love life to feel fulfilled. And, just like a game telling me not to push that big pretty red button only makes me want to push it even more, when a story insist that, of course a female character is/needs to be in love, I will sit here hoping my judgmental glaze travel across time and space to hit the author on the head.
I like relationships that could work either way. If Matsui had kept this ambiguous, I would be way more appreciative of it ; instead of what he’s pretty much saying “Yes, of course they’re in a relationship” while winking unsubtly and nudging me with his elbow enough to make me fall from my chair.
If you think I’m taking my analogies too far, I can’t exactly say you’re wrong since the appreciation of this is subjective. But think of Kayano post-tentacles. When choosing whether to kill or save Korosensei, she does think ‘I wonder if it’s because we’re sisters that we both fell for assassins’. Karma wants to give poisoned chocolates to Korosensei for Valentine’s day? She bring him a photo of Yukimura in a more-or-less sexy swimsuit. Seriously Akari, that’s your dead sister we’re talking about. 
Sure, we could say she’s coping with her sister’s death by trying to think at least she got to be in love with a man that isn’t Yanagisawa (in case you hadn’t noticed, Kayano... don’t really like him *Understatement of the week here I go*), because if Aguri wasn’t in love with Korosensei that meant she never found happiness before dying. But we never had signs that this was what Matsui was trying to do.
Why Aguri couldn’t be happy with Korosensei as a close friend? Wouldn’t her death have influenced him as strongly if he saw her as a found family? Heck, this one might as well be better, given the close relationship Korosensei have with class E. 
Now, those two problems are shared by lot of stories, be they manga or novels, destined to teens or pre-teens just as for adults. The third one is a specific story point, precisely in chapter 138. It might be more subject to interpretation (to translation, too), and as such personal tastes might play more of a role in it.
3) How Korosensei treated Aguri after learning he would die. The moon just exploded, Aguri had barely learned that the lab would dispose of the God of Death that she was already running to him to inform him of the truth. Of course, he is crushed by th- nevermind, the narration talks about ‘embracing a cursed death’. That sure was quick. So, Korosensei’s first reaction is to want to try his new powers. When Aguri wants to stop him, does he listen to her, even knowing full well she won’t make him change opinions ? Nah, better to point out she have less talent than him, and even add how little value she have. Uncalled insults are sure to make her feel better after all. (One might see these as a way to make sure she would leave and not get caught up in the events, because Aguri is Aguri and any less rude way to persuade her to do so wouldn’t work. I do not share this vision of things). 
Even the ‘it will be better if you leave before you die in vain’ is dismissive. Sure, he warns her and waits for her to leave the room before acting, showing a tiny amount of care left he wouldn’t have for probably anyone else in this building. But there also the underlying meaning that he won’t restrain himself in his destruction solely because she’s here. 
As soon as Korosensei was reminded of his values on death, he pretty much threw this relationship away. relationship for which Aguri put a lot on stakes by telling him about his imminent death. This upsets me for a personal reason, but even without that, this does throws a wrench in the whole relationship. 
Sure, when Aguri died next to him, Korosensei ended up regretting the whole thing and had a change of heart. But a ‘Ooops, turns out I do care after all’ doesn’t erase all the damage he did by his preceding action (or the damage he could have done, rather, because Aguri is too good and still tried to save him).
So, what am I telling with this post ? In the end, very little. I wanted to present my opinion on the subject ; if you do ship Korosensei and Aguri and it brings you happiness, feel free to continue. Those are points that I feel one should be conscious of (though I feel the last one is hard to ignore), but liking this pair despite this does not makes one a bad person. However, as one must do anyways, please tag your content accurately so people like me can blacklist it.
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