I'm confused with the last ask. At first you say passing transmen wouldn't be welcomed by most women in female spaces mention passing butches. Should both use men's spaces?

i'll be honest dude i was just saying shit. like i said it's ultimately just because i don't fucking trust conservative lawmakers lol. a lot of what i was saying in the first part was just throwing thoughts at the wall 2 see what sticks, and they do all come from somewhere but they're not all thought through 2 a conclusion. here i'll give them a LITTLE more thought but i'll try not 2 get carried away im like so tired rn

i think w transmen its complicated. like as females they obviously are entitled to female-only resources. turning a transman away from a female-only rape or abuse crisis centre would b evil like they are female and they do experience misogyny and that service is for them. but at the same time, if a passing transman went into a womens bathroom or locker room or whatever then naturally women could b intimidated by that. they don't know he's a transman, he's just some dude to them. and also if we were to insist that everyone use the facilities that go w their assigned sex at all times, then surely that opens the door for any random dude to say he's a transman and go into the womens room the same way opening everything up to self-id opens the door for any random dude to say he's a transwoman and go into the womens room. as far as the bathroom/locker room thing, 3rd unisex option or converting everything to unisex single-stall, blah blah i've said it plenty before. as far as other services go, i think a lot of it would have 2 be on a case-by-case basis with compassion & realism & probably with consulting other service users. i don't think a blanket rule is the best solution.

& when using passing butches as an example i was thinking about instances where women in public bathrooms have confronted butch women thinking they're men encroaching on a female space. and thinking, what's the solution supposed 2 be for them to prove themselves female there? show ID? only like i said, ID no longer always correlates with birth sex bc ppl can change legal sex now, so knowing that kind of makes it so that ID could never be a legal means of proving sex if any conflict arose from that. i think realistically thats probably not likely 2 happen much bc usually once someone says "im literally a woman" and the other person takes a proper look theyre more like "oh my god yeah my mistake" but i HAVE seen video of women getting kicked out of public womens rooms by security staff who mistook them for dudes and were actively still insisting they were dudes even when being told that they're wrong. i wasnt suggesting butch women use the mens room instead, i was just pointing out that i think things could get complicated nd to enshrine certain things in law as based on birth sex, while having no legal way that birth sex is actually even documented because legal sex =/= actual sex anymore, seems like smthn that could get messy. for the record this is why i think they should not let people change legal sex, but then theres a whole host of other issues (which im sure cons would not take into account were they 2 pass a law on this either) that would have 2 be considered bc i do see how walking around with an ID that documents your sex as completely incongruous w ur appearance can put a target on someone in a lot of situations.

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