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jeongahn · 4 years

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Fallin’ Flower: Dissecting the Imagery By Member

*Note how each scene happens on generally the same platform - the circular epicenter, the rooms, ect. How the portals that enlightened all of them bred from one another and lead them to this epicenter which was once depicting struggle - but now depicts freedom. When you keep this in mind, it’s easy to see how this MV came full circle. Much like the first scene of the MV where the choreo has Jeonghan in the center, and his “blooming” motion sets off this reaction of others like a domino effect. This seems to be the concept.

image credits: @sunnie-dk / @qvyen

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Joshua: Healing

Joshua is trapped inside a room, similar to Vernon’s in trauma. Both Vernon and Joshua have ties to America - Joshua living most of his life there, Vernon being constantly referenced as “American” due to his ethnicity. This is vague. But the similarity of the scene was so apparent, and this was the only connection I could draw. There is webbing on this massive hole in the wall that may serve as Joshua’s escape. But due to it’s weak threads, it seems as though it wouldn’t be strong enough to hold Joshua back. Instead, it seems like Joshua himself put the web up in an attempt to keep things out. A way to distance himself between himself, and whatever is behind that wall. This can also be interpreted as his attempt to patch up a wound. He’s still staring at this gaping hole, despite his efforts.

Later on in the MV (which is also the thumbnail) you can clearly see a bundle of flowers held against his face using a bandage. This same idea is shown once again on Vernon’s (?) hand, baring the a similar bundle of flowers adhered to his “wound” with flowers. There was this concept I recalled where artists would piece together a broken artifact using gold, called Kintsugi. This represented the idea of finding beauty in your broken pieces. That wounds, scars, flaws - are beautiful. It represents your fight, and your healing. He’s surrounded by broken objects that he could hurt himself with if he’s not careful (which are also in Vernon’s scene, but unbroken). Hell he even has thorns on his hands. His scene represents how easy it is to get hurt. How healing doesn’t have to be an ugly process. And how your battle scars are not flaws - they’re made of gold.

The hand covered in thorns may represents how easy it is to hurt someone with your actions, even yourself. It’s a fearful thought. One that may make you want to isolate yourself from others. But later on, we see this sole hand connect to another thorned hand - by the unthorned palms. If you are careful, you may not cause the hurt that you fear. Alternatively: while Joshua healed Vernon (as shown by the flower bundle on his arms), Vernon broke Joshua (as shown by the statues shattered on the floor; a bust is also seen in Vernon’s scene). This could be a representation of miscommunication. The pain after an argument. OR Vernon taught Joshua how to care for himself (bandages) and Joshua taught Vernon about self expression (the statues).

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Minghao: Empathy

Minghao showcased emotion so beautifully in this MV. I could feel this sense of tire, almost to say “I’m so exhausted, and I have to go on. I must go on,”. It’s the type of exasperation that reminds me of when a friend is venting their situation to you. There’s this sense of determination despite a lack of energy. It’s subtle.

But while he and Hoshi dance in chains, he looks over to Hoshi. And the look felt like he could feel what Hoshi’s frantic fight for freedom meant to him. The expression was almost...like he is determined to save him. Full of understanding, and almost apologetic. He could sense the under current of Hoshi’s emotions: frustration, tire, and desperation. And it pained him to feel this.

We see Hoshi stare up at Minghao’s extended arms which seem to depict the image of a bird spreading it’s wings (or as another pointed out, a blooming flower) - Hoshi seems to like he is in awe. It feels as though Minghao is both soothing Hoshi’s intensity, but also motivating him by showing him a clear depiction of what he’s fighting for. With Minghao’s understanding, it seems like Hoshi is able to free himself.

This exhaustive dance between the two could relate to how this struggle of empathy effects Minghao directly. He feels as though he’s fighting against something that wont let him go. The chains that bind both Hoshi and Minghao are pulling them in opposite directions. This type of resistance will wear you out - quickly. In this context, it seems like the burnout could relate to taking on the burden of your friend’s emotions. Suddenly, their chains becomes your own.

Minghao is exhausting himself to keep Hoshi’s flames both contained and alive. If you’ve ever done this with fire, you know how exhausting it can be. Couple this with fighting to keep his own mentally clear - its no wonder he seems so worn out.

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Hoshi: The Fighter

Hoshi is chained, kicking out and lunging as the anchor of the chain shifts on the floor. He looks desperate. He’s so close to being free. But you can tell he’s worn thin. He’s fighting, and he’s too close to breaking these chains. He can be free, but how long does he have to fight? Does he have enough left inside him to fight? (The answer is yes)

Later on in the MV, we can see Hoshi looking through a hole / portal in the way - which I refer to as “the portal” in later in the post. He broke through not only his chains, but the walls around him. This causes a surge. Couple this with the alternate tempo of the song - the vibe begins to change in several scenes.

The portal appears in Vernon’s scene, then this shifts to Joshua (through the statue* a common item between the two scenes) who stares challengingly at the web that obscures his escape, which then leads into Jun waking from his trance to stare down at the ground beneath him, then to Wonwoo who stands to his feet and scrutinize his bound hands. The portal is seen linking all the members together. Towards the end of the MV - its this same portal that leads them all to the epicenter where they look at the flowers in gratitude.

Hoshi’s will to fight against his chains is represented in the portals. They appear to everyone, and urge them to do the same. His fight reminded everyone of that if they can’t give in, they can be fight to their own freedom.

Off topic - the portal seems to be a mirror. Self reflection? Idealization? It can mean a lot of different things.

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Jeonghan: The Dangers of Comfort

Jeonghan is chained to this bed. At first glance - he looks comfortable. The bed has a fluffy duvet and blanket. He’s wearing a feathered shirt that looks so soft and dreamy. He even appears content in some scenes. Sleeping in this luxurious comfort.

But as the scenes draw outward - you see how isolated he is. There is nothing but him and this bed that he cannot escape. Nothing but him and his comfort. He can only stare up at this hole in his ceiling, wistfully. There’s this saying, that people don’t change when they are comfortable. Knowing what we do from Jeonghan, not improving scares him.

He stares tiredly at his chains. He looks as though he’s given up. It’s like he accepts it. There’s no one there to help him, and he feels weak on his own. He can’t do this alone. He’s trapped in his comfort, unable to take the chances that he longs for.

Later on in the scenes, we see Jeonghan unchained - moving around in space. Almost like a bird who has been set free. The feathers begin to make sense. He is a caged bird, he needs help in order to be set free. This relates to Jeonghan’s own idea that on his own, he is “weak”. Which is why the members serve as his form of comfort, together they are “strong”

- - - - - - Mingyu: A Garden of Opportunity

Mingyu is seen sitting horizontally among several flowers, atop a closed doorway. Doorways often times relate to opportunity, “opening new doors”. For Mingyu, he has been given the most opportunity of the group. He’s been an MV, an actor, a model, a variety show guest more often than the others. But juggling so many opportunities at once is hard. He is still Mingyu of Seventeen, while doing all of these things. Being that alone is tiring as is, and although he should and probably is grateful for these opportunities - they may drain him. The door remains shut as he seems to struggle with the idea of taking these opportunities. On one hand,he should be grateful to be considered. On the other he’s exhausted, and maybe even a little guilty on having to take on so much.

Flowers are often offered in congratulations to someone’s achievements. There is a scene later where Mingyu stares up with this...expression. It’s so hard to describe. He looks like he’s about to cry out of happiness. Then flower petals shower onto him like he’s in cleansing rainfall. He is receiving praise for his efforts. And it means so much to him.

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Jun: Stagnation / Rejection of Reality

Jun is suspend in air, close to the flowers we see in the final scene of the MV. This represents how close he is to freedom. But Jun is in this peaceful trance like state, dangling in the air with no sign of consciousness. This could relate to the idea of distancing himself from reality. When we distance ourselves from reality, it’s often times a coping mechanism. It may seem like we’re free because we are not at the mercy of the reality. But this doesn’t mean the trauma did not occur. Jun is caught in the middle of reality (the ground) and freedom (the flowers). But he is not moving forward, nor backward. He is not aware of where he is. In a sense, he is trapped between the two and has almost fully disconnected from the either of them. Later on, when Hoshi’s surge passes through the members - we see Jun looking down at the ground (reality). Perhaps he saw Wonwoo rise to his feet, and noticed the state Wonwoo was in. Jun is later seen staring down at Wonwoo, who stares up at Jun. They both have similar expressions that both seem to say, “I’m saved,” “Welcome back, my friend,”.

This can relate to WonHui’s differences. While Wonwoo is tied to the ground by his emotional turmoil that he rarely expresses, Jun rejects his emotions and instead floats high above ground. This might be why they’re in the same scene.

- - - - - - Wonwoo: Pulled In Opposite Directions

Wonwoo is seen kneeling that the same epicenter that many others are seen in. Ropes are attached to either end of the circle’s center - connecting to Wonwoo by either hand. This could represent Wonwoo feeling as though he’s being pulled two different ways - that there is a part of him that is in distinct halves which are failing to connect. This blocks integration, the necessary communication between the two halves.

He’s caught between what he feels, and what he must do. It’s rare that Wonwoo expresses his emotions. He says that he bottles up often. This can tear you up inside. He’s stuck between wanting to scream because he is so frustrated, and needing to maintain composure because it’s his duty. This suffocating feeling is further shown in how condensed Wonwoo’s atmophere is. The clouds are so close to the ground he’s kneeling on, so much so that it becomes apparent when he finally stands. These same clouds that were above his head, are now at his waist. He has lifted himself out of the fog. Wonwoo has mentioned that the members ease this turmoil. But in this scene, Wonwoo is alone (save for a suspected Jun). When Jun appears, we get this feeling that Wonwoo is going to be okay because he is no longer alone with his disjointed halves. He’s reminded that is he is whole. - - - - - - Woozi: The Artist In a dark room we see a painting with a hole punched through it. Adjacent to this painting is an image of a person with their face blanked out by paint. We then see Woozi, a pristine man with paint covering his hands and arms. It’s clear that he is the artist who is acting out these frustrations against his art. I feel that this goes without saying - Woozi (the artist) creates the songs (the art) and essentially holds Seventeen’s future in his hands. We know from 17Project alone what this pressure does to him. When you’re so busy being something for other people, you lose sight of yourself. Which is why the image of this unknown face is blanked out by paint - why he retaliates against the picture he painted. In this scene, light streams into the dark room. Woozi approaches the light, and peers at it. I’m going to assume this is the portal from Vernon’s scene - which is depicted as a mirror, and Wonwoo’s lights flashing across this mirror into Woozi’s room. Woozi has mentioned how Vernon’s thoughts amuse him, and how he’s always amazed by what Vernon comes up with. Vernon is the change of pace Woozi needs in his routine.

While in this light, Woozi lifts an arm to inspect the paint coating it. Perhaps he’s reminding himself of why “paints” (makes music) in the first place. He had lost site of his reasoning, in that dark room (stress).

- - - - - - Vernon: Stuck In His Own Head

Vernon’s scene is really interesting to me. He’s literally inside his own head, but at first glance we don’t notice it. He’s in this room with a projector, staring straight ahead at a wall where distorted images are flickering onto the surface. Later on, we see Joshua and Jun appear among the images, along with another image relating to Seungkwan. He’s recollecting memories, or seeing a possible outcome for the future (Jun in awake in these photos; as opposed to being in a trance). From the lens of his own mind. The interesting part is that Vernon isn’t acting nor reacting to anything at all. Even when Hoshi’s portal appears to him in the form of a mirror on the floor, Vernon does not react. This is where things become a bit clearer: we see Vernon in that portal. Not anyone else. No change in his scenery at all. The person that Vernon is on the outside, is who he is on this inside. Vernon paints his world in his own colors. This is why I think Vernon’s portal reflects light onto Woozi - who is struggling with his identity. Vernon has a clear vision of himself, and everyone else around him. It’s like he knew everything would be okay, and that’s just Vernon for you - the optimistic visionary. - - - - - - DK: The Sun

DK appears at the epicenter a band of round objects rotating around him. This seems to depict planets circling a source - namely the sun. For years we’ve known DK to be our sunlight. His shine chases away darkness, and warms our spirits. This is his role in SVT as well. But why is the area around him devoid of light? Why is he looking to these planets in slight exasperation? As if there are too many for him to handle at this time? Because it’s impossible for someone to always be “light”. He is the moodmaker, but his mood may not always be bright. Perhaps he might feel the pressure to be well and lively because of how heavily the atmosphere revolves around him. This can also relate to his role as a vocalist. His voice lifts the song up and almost carries it in the direction it needs to go. He always has to be “on”. And that can be a lot to handle. - - - - - - S. Coups: Solitude This one is simple. I almost overlooked it because it was that simple. S.Coups is in this void of some sort. All we can see are whirling drapes, and his own shadow with him. This can represent what it means to be leader. This self-isolating feeling of putting yourself underneath the responsibility of others. We’re aware of what’s been going with S.Coups mental health. Much like Woozi, you can lose yourself when you’re busy being something to someone. Perhaps it could symbolize being stuck, or being lost. Or even a peaceful, empty space. There are many ways you can think of this scene. But all seem to point in the direction of a much needed halt. - - - - - -

Seungkwan: Connection

At first glance, Seungkwan’s scene didn’t seem to register any thought for me. When I thought about the blues in his scenes, and the flowers he was holding - it reminds me of the blue scene with scattered flowers projecting onto Vernon’s wall. The drapes in his scene reminded me of S.Coups void. And the camera he held directly correlated with Woozi’s scene, which then correlates to Vernon’s imagery of recorded media. Seungkwan is the connecting factor between these three. In general, Seungkwan is the character that connects Seventeen to the world. When people talk about Seventeen, they talk about how much they love Seungkwan. Seungkwan is usually the member that stands out in variety. He’s great at communicating and setting the tone for these types of things. That is his role, and at times, his burden. But he seems light. Content almost.

It’s because he enjoys this role more than it burdens him. - - - - - - Dino: Undetermined Dino’s scene elicits virtually no thought from me. And maybe that’s the point. Dino is the youngest of the group - the member with so much potential and talent, but the most “green” member as well. In Dino’s scene, he almost seems lost. He’s literally just there, in darkness. Almost confused, but in a way...it’s like he knows something we don’t. He isn’t scared. Nor is he hurting. But he’s also not content. He seems to be searching, if I’m not mistaken? In this interpretation, it’s like Dino is wandering and searching for whatever it is that he’s searching for. What that thing is, only Dino knows. But does he? It seems almost like a coming of age concept. He’s moving forward, with no direction. But full of intent. And I think that reflects a side of Dino that we rarely see - but can totally conceptualize.

- - - - - - - This MV seems to revolve around the idea of vulnerability and how susceptible we are to the world. There are many ways in which our vulnerability is compromised, and how the consequences of this may manifest. We can feel locked in. Or shut out. Or even relish in this safe sphere our minds develop. But we can grow from it. We shouldn’t be afraid of standing up and fighting our way out of our walls. And we also shouldn’t be ashamed of needing help. All in all, the idea is how falling isn’t a bad thing. You have the potential to get back up.

#fallin' flower #i posted this to the wrong blog #*tp #the amount of domino effects in this mv is stunning #its like each struggle is so unique #but then relates to anothers #and another person's victory #causes waves that help others #which causes another wave that helps others #and then we're back to square one #if i made typos let me know #i big brained ALL OVER THIS POST #please read at least one excerpt lol #its SO interesting how they did all of this #and i want people to NOTICE it #i might make a gfx out of this #but honestly i have no ideas thus far #but the concept is there

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raz-b-rose · 3 years

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There's nothing about transgender people in the bible and the thing that seems to be anti gay was actually referencing pedophilia. There's some really great websites explaining this, definitely look into it

Ok so I’m assuming you’re talking about this post. So thats what I’ll base most of my response off of.

1. You offered no sources for me to cross reference

2. You didn't reference what verse you are talking about, if any, so I can look into it myself.

Just because the bible doesn't directly use the English terms “transgender” doesn't make it any less of a sin discussed in the bible. Also remember it is difficult to translate the bible into English perfectly because of how the original Hebrew and Greek was spoken and written culturally at the time. It is always important to compare to the original scripture, and culture, to have an accurate read.

However, the issue you are presenting to me, God is very clear and deliberate in his design. Not just of us as people but as how he designed each gender uniquely to function within the different relationships created through those bonds. Everything humans are and do is a reflection in some way of Gods design (Genesis 1:27) and how sin has corrupted the world.

“Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.” Genesis 2:7

It is no coincidence that God actively created mankind. He spoke everything else into existence except for us. He formed us with his own hands and so intimately breathed life into Adam. (It is also not a coincidence that paramedics can revive someone via CPR. Again an image of Life given to us via God)

“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” Job 33:4

“For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.” Psalm 139:13

“But now, O Lord, you are our Father; we are the clay, and you are our potter; we are all the work of your hand.” Isaiah 64:8

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;” Jeremiah 1:5 a

Consecrated: having been made or declared sacred; declared to be or represent the body and blood of Christ

After Jesus’ sacrifice for our souls, the veil in Gods temple that was used to resemble our separation from him due to our sins was torn in two. (Matthew 27:51, Mark 15:38, Luke 23:45, Hebrews 10:19-22) After that our bodies became living temples for God. (1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 1 Corinthians 6:19-20, also keep in mind the commands in these verses are for believers, you can’t be expected to obey if you have not repented) The Holy Spirit will become a part of you at the moment of salvation and therefore God is always with you.

“I praise you, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works; my soul knows it very well.” Psalm 139:14

“Everyone who is called by my name, whom I created for my glory, whom I formed and made.” Isaiah 43:7

I myself, having been called by God to work in this ministry uniquely created for me, will work for His glory. I will speak truth, and plant seeds. God will reap what He sows, I simply obey and give God all the glorious control.

“Worthy are you, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they existed and were created.” Revelation 4:11

God does not make mistakes. He made us as we are, nothing we feel changes the fact that he chose male or female for us.

If God made mistakes then everything the bible says is a lie. To accuse God of such a thing, attack his character and Being in such a way, is purely insane. There is no hope for us if even a word of His is a lie.

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1

The bible is God. It reflects who He is, to displays His plan and design for all to see. The bible is Jesus. It shows Gods detailed plan from the beginning to end, to offer us salvation for our own sin and the beautiful opportunity to choose Him. The word of God is active in our hearts through the Holy Spirit.

“For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart” Hebrews 4:12

They are Three in One and have existed outside our constructs of time for all of eternity.

If the bible is wrong about even one thing, then God would cease to exist. That is why God doesn't make mistakes, and bible holds no lies. It can hold mysteries that God does not full reveal to us (this is where acts of faith come in) but it does not lie. Because God can not lie.

“But Raz, what about those cases of people being born with both genders”

Sin has corrupted the world, outside of Gods perfect design is an imperfect image of what could have been, what will be once Jesus returns and God restores what has been broken.

(Something we all desire with all out hearts because it is what we were created for. We were created to have perfect union with Christ. to be perfect in every sense. For there to be no death or evil. We desire perfection in our everyday lives because it is in our intended nature and our relationship with God is only a fraction of what will be possible eternity with Him.)

He has a plan for those people, one we may not full understand or know but it is there and the challenge is no different than those born with any other difficulties (homosexuality, mental illness, health issues, imperfect bodies, addiction, ect.)

The point is, we are all born with sin. We are all challenged by different temptations (the desire to do something, especially something wrong or unwise.) God presents us with these challenges so the reward for refusing them is great. The feeling of saying no to them, and succeeding by Gods power is wonderfully, indescribable. Its both encouraging and humbling. I know I wont be perfect in this mortal life time, but each success brings me closer to God.

“For God gave us a spirit not of fear but of power and love and self-control.” 2 Timothy 1:17

God strengthens us through our battles, and equips us for them through His word. At the end of the day. All of our battles are fought within our minds and our hearts. We are commanded to keep His word close with us (memorized) so we are ready for them all.

Jesus’ time on earth was important. He lived a life as fully man remember. He Himself was tempted and overcame them all with scripture. (Matthew 4:1-11) His life is an example for us, and an encouragement for what can be accomplished through God.

He was also fully God. He showcased Their inability to sin and Their perfection. Again. God is prefect. Lying is a sin. God can’t sin, because God is perfect. Therefore, the bible is fully true.

I urge you to think on these truths, and know that this is love. Gods definition of love is always going to be different from the worlds definition because it tells us what we need, not what we want to hear.

I love you, and will be praying for you.

#Raz speaks out #christian #transgender #lgbtq #Gods word #truth #speak in love #I am a warrior daughter of the King #Love isn't what you think it is #hiding behind anonymous

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