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olderthannetfic · 24 days

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This is a rant that is going to end in a question that I genuinely want the answer to.

I've recently seen (in the past year or so) an uptick in people online using the word "delusional" casually or as an insult. Worse even than that, "delulu" which I believe originated on Tiktok or Twitter (likely places for ableism to come from, yeah, fork found in kitchen etc etc). The only people I really see calling this behavior out are, you guessed it, actually delusional or psychotic people.

Typically it's thrown around to describe someone's "weird" or "chronically online" beliefs. Like using it to talk about reality shifters or RPF shippers who think their ship is actually together or etc. And, like, while I don't disagree that spiritual psychosis or "the belief that someone is sending me signals via social media" are real actual delusional behaviors/can lead to actual delusions, I really don't think that believing you can shift to Hogwarts to see Draco or that you have a mental connection to the Stranger Things universe or that Taylor Swift is queer and flagging via music videos really fits the criteria for spiritual psychosis or erotomania or what have you *in itself* - meaning if you live an otherwise normal life and only get out of touch with reality when you're on #MaraudersTok or r/LarryStylinson, you're likely not delusional, or at least not delusional enough for it to impact your functionality.

So, that begs the question, WHY? Why use delusional to describe stupid chronically online drama? Like, I'm being genuine, I truly do want to know why. Are these people misusing/misunderstanding what the word delusional means? Are they armchair diagnosing? Do they think these people are actually experiencing psychosis, and if so, why are they using said diagnosis as an insult or as part of their moral flaws? Why are they so bothered and obsessed with someone else's "delusion", especially when the delusion in question isn't hurting them and is just a stupid thing like thinking that some random celeb is about to hard launch their coming out or that they can teleport to a fictional world?

(also, PLEASE, I know it sounds like I have specific beef with shifters or gay rpf truthers, I DON'T, nor am i necessarily 'defending' these communities, 'cuz i know they do have actual issues outside of just being cringe or whatever. I don't want gaylor shift malfoy snapewives discourse, i want "why are you using a psychotic disorder to describe these fringe fandom communities" discourse, and in the circles i run in that's just the type of people who are described as delusional the most - I know that the overall issue runs much deeper, I just figured Id ask a fandom blog why the word is so prevelant in fandoms, especially in specific "types" of fandoms)

Like, I'm not looking for an argument of "it's ok to use delusional so casually" or "yeah i agree it's so fucked up that people throw that word around :/" all i want is an honest and concise answer of WHY delusional has become the Hot New Armchair Diagnosis For Weird People On TikTok or whatever.

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Lots of words get used with a colloquial definition and people aren't really thinking about their technical meaning.

K-pop fandom. Blame them.

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vro0m · 2 months

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did you hear about the staniel who turned the horner SH allegations into a fic where daniel used these SH allegations to blackmail RB into giving him checo's seat bc like. what the fuck is wrong with f1 fans (those drivers fans in particular if we're honest) to where their first thought after allegations of a woman being seriously psychologically harmed by a man in authority's mistreatment is "omg this would be a good plot for my rich, privileged ass blorbo to avenge himself" like daniel fucking ricciardo is a white ass multimillionaire. he can claim anybody mistreated him and thousands of fans and the media will immediately believe him and come rushing to their aid. there's been female employees of red bull getting harassed online, called liars, getting doxxed, etc. since this shit broke, keep your privileged ass blorbo out of serious shit that doesn't concern him. this isn't a hehe funny situation time for my fictional version of my blorbo to shine, actual people were hurt in this situation. jfc at least SOME empathy and critical thinking skills in this fanbase i beg.

Yeah I heard.

First of all, like I said at the time that hockey fandom thing happened, I think you need to be really really careful saying things such as "those driver's fans in particular", because this isn't about who's a fan of who. We're all in this together as we exist in a shared fandom space (or generally as human beings) and who we are fans of doesn't make us morally superior to other fans in that space. Your corner of the fandom isn't immune to this shit.

This isn't about Daniel Ricciardo, or the fact that he's their blorbo, or what would happen if it was him. None of that is relevant to the conversation. You're getting mad that they made it about Ricciardo but to some extent you're doing the same thing.

This is about politics. This is about the dehumanisation of victims, especially when they are women and/or from marginalised groups. This is about just not giving a fuck what happens to your fellow human being and what it means to be them. The issue here is bigger than RPF or this specific investigation or F1. I don't know how to explain to you that you should care about other people.

If you're reading this and you are afab I'm sorry to say there's a serious statistical probability that someday you're going to be that person, if you haven't already been her. If you're unable to represent to yourself that this would be awful, and then how much more awful it would be that people are using this traumatic experience you had to write smut or whatever about some rando they're a fan of...

You're not a bad fan, you're a shit human being.

#tbc I'm not gonna talk about this subject ad aeternam because i said i wouldn't but this needed to be reframed #vro0m's asks

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ecoamerica · 23 days

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is-the-owl-video-cute · 9 months

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Ugh, i saw a post defending Ao3 by saying they dont have stuff that legally counts as cp because they have to follow US laws. I’m not sure if US laws count fictional minors but also rpf is so rampant on Ao3 I’m not surprised if there is actually stuff about real children who actually exist.

Even if there wasn’t, there’s other countries that absolutely count porn involving fictional minors as cp content. One countries laws dont determine the morals of all countries. There’s still stuff that whole countries consider illegal in that way and that means there is absolutely content that normal people would count as cp on the website.

It actually is illegal if it can be proven that the writing is meant to be sexually gratifying and intentionally depicting minors. It isn’t always easily proven with fictional characters because there can typically be reasonable doubt wrt aging up the character and all that jazz, but proships tend to fetishize the fact the character is underaged so much it can be tricky to deny. Fictional characters depicted by real child actors however tend to be taken more seriously. And yes there is indeed rpf depicting minors sexually, or people blatantly making an “oc” that just conveniently looks and acts like a child star to try to skirt around rules. That’s also illegal. However written works depicting fictional characters are typically used as evidence in a broader case against a child predator rather than prosecuted as their own crime.

There is no justification for allowing any of that on their site though. Rpf in general should be banned, but the fact there’s an entire tag of fics sexualizing children is disgusting. That isn’t simply ignoring pedophiles, it’s catering to them and making it easier to find content sexualizing children that can be used as a grooming tool.

And while I’m here I have to point out that there is no reason to let minors on that site at all because they do nothing to prevent minors from seeing adult content beyond a “promise you’re 18+?” button on fics. I’ve said this before but I’ll say it again, there should absolutely be some form of digital certificate authenticating you are over the age of 18 that you can get once you’re of age. Something that requires actual documentation of your age but keeps that personal information encrypted so sites cannot see anything more than “yes this person is over 18 and may access this site/content”. But until we get something like that, the bare minimum is still to ask for some form of ID just like any establishment would do in the real world and then verify an account holder as being over 18 by submitting the date of birth on that ID and then deleting the file to avoid keeping personal information on the site.

It seems cumbersome yes, but plenty of adult sites already do this and it’s effective when it’s a photo ID used. They already have a lengthy waiting period before approving new accounts. They are certainly capable of implementing this. They have a large enough workforce to very gradually roll this out to older members, especially by allowing members to opt out of verification and simply not see adult content, and make an account mandatory to see adult content. Even furaffinity and deviantart at least require an account to see adult content, that’s such a bare minimum it’s a bit insane not to implement it.

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lovelaetter · 10 months

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Sometimes im writing idol smut and then i just question the morality of what I’m writing- in the sense that, this is a real person, is it okay to write stuff lewd things about them with their consent.? But i still do it. Often i want to give up. I know a lot of kpop fans in general are against idol!smut but many read it but won’t admit because it’s taboo, but there is even less of us who write for it idk i just often question if what i’m doing is okay? I guess i know its not but? It’s not directly harmful like we write for idols of age etc, but idk what do u think?

you know, you have a really good point, anon, i actually suffer from this a lot! and it’s a line of thinking that has me somehow not judging those who sent me hate, y’know? cause, let’s be real, it is weird. that doesn’t mean i’m okay with receiving hate you fuckers i hate u all

the point is… most people are doing it in a way or another, with idols or anyone, the difference is most do it only inside their heads — and it in no way affects the way they think of people, cause it is what it is, a fantasy.

i like to “soothe” myself with the thought that they won’t read any of the shit i write, they’re too busy with their lives, same way i don’t waste my time thinking about if someone around me thinks about fucking me. besides, like i said, whatever i or anyone writes won’t change people’s perceptions of said idol, it doesn’t even changes mine, and these things i write are my thoughts! i know how to draw the line. if someone doesn’t, it’s not up to me! also, i think that’s what people fail to realize: i think about these things, i write about it but that doesn’t i would ever do something against these people. do you think i would force karina to kiss me if i saw her? no, for god’s sake, i would shake and cry and do what any other fan would 😭 i just happen to be a woman who is her fan and also thinks she’s very attractive which leads to occasional sexual thoughts and choose to talk about it online cause it makes me feel less weird knowing there are other people with the same thoughts.

so yeah, it is fucked up, especially in my case when it involves hard kinks, but it’s also sexual attraction to another human being, is it that disgusting? rpf exists for years… or are going to pretend that the 1D imagines on wattpad (and here on tumblr even) era never existed?

i hope i managed to make my point clear :) i don’t think it’s not bad, but i also don’t think it’s the most immoral thing in the world, the secret for it is to not think much about it — like right now, i will stop talking before things start getting in my head 😃

#simi.txt #talks

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hey-that-hurt · 3 months

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Trans rights are human rights. If you think men are inherently evil you are not the feminist you think you are. Free Palestine.

I use #nsft for nsfw and nsfw-adjacent posts, and I do my best to tag things that might be triggers.

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I am always always always looking for story recs! Send me an ask, ping me, whatever, I am never not in the mood for a good whump story.

If you think I might like it, regardless of how well it fits my tastes or fandoms, please send it my way! (And I will gladly read original stories)

I’m okay with reading NSFW, but not with underage characters. I also generally avoid stories with RPF, and stories where characters end up falling in love with their abusers. I’m not entirely opposed to romance but it’s generally not my thing.

(This is not a statement on the morality of writing these things, it is simply a statement on what I do not like reading)

My favorite tropes:

Strong whumpees (especially ones who would have been too strong/smart to be caught if not for a hostage/trap/betrayal etc)

Related: characters being targeted because they are very powerful, to drain their powers or experiment on them

Confident whumpees, defiant whumpees (especially if that confidence/defiance is slowly broken down)

Parent/guardian whumpees, or generally character-who-others-rely-on whump

Lengthy, difficult, but hopeful trauma recovery— I love when progress is not straightforward, and when there are many missteps along the way

People finding out what happened to whumpee and being horrified

Flinching, panic attacks, flashbacks

Abusive authority figures, especially in prisoner situations

My go-to fandoms and favorite whumpees:

MCYT: c!Technoblade and c!Philza (any universe), I enjoy c!Quackity and c!Dream as whumpers in DSMP stories, c!Grian (I’m not personally comfortable with RPF though)

Marvel: Thor (MCU specifically), Peter Parker

My Hero Academia: All Might, Izuku, Aizawa

One Piece: Zoro, Luffy

Ace Attorney: Phoenix Wright

Undertale: Sans (original)

Danny Phantom: same as everybody else

Psych: Shawn Spencer

Animator vs Animation: The Chosen One (i am sending psychic waves telling you to read/write about stick figure trauma)

Batman: Batman. Everybody wants to hurt his kids when this big untouchable paragon is right there.

The Witcher: Geralt of Rivia

Naruto: Kakashi

Fandoms I would read all the whump for if there was more of it:

Fairy Tail, Professor Layton

I am not opposed to reading fics for other fandoms, and in fact doing exactly that has led me to new media before!

Finally, a disclaimer in case anyone not from this community finds me: The things I like in fiction are not things I like or think are okay in real life. In fact, pretty much exactly the opposite. Cool? Cool.

#whump #whump meta #fanfiction

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st5lker · 6 months

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like a lot of that is to say porn deepfakes especially of female celebrities were already getting badddd and while i do think theres definitely a discussion to be made on how to differentiate between something like rpf and deepfakes (which dont get me wrong both are weird but one is markedly more disturbing especially when fueled by misogyny) and also where exactly the line should be drawn in terms of the spectrum between "funny image of a celebrity being chased by a monster" vs "realistic fetish image of a real life 18 year old girl" that kind of relates to how difficult it is to legally/objectively define porn at all and for as disgusting as i think those things are i find it really difficult to think of a legal solution that wont have potentially very bad consequences in unrelated scenarios. but of course im not a lawyer or a legislator i just think criminalization of this type of thing never ends well in a profit driven society. i think the unfortunate and sad answer is that those things are just going to exist - there were already people photoshopping celebrities faces onto porn actors before the proliferation of AI. our defenses would have to lie in combatting the root of the problem which is almost always misogyny, and in just in our collective moral unity with those we associate ourselves with.

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tippitytap · 8 months

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i‘ve been thinking lately what it means to write fanfiction, especially RPF like i have. i understand that real person fiction will always be a moral greyzone, and there‘ll always be people who are in favour and people who are against it. but. that‘s not even what i‘ve been thinking about.

what i can‘t stop thinking about recently is how fucking BEAUTIFUL fanfiction is. how much creativity and determination it takes, how much energy and willpower to see it through, and how much mental load is required for it. like, for example, i‘m currently working on something where i‘ve put my character as the youngest sibling in their family, when the person that the character is based on is the oldest in real life. it shouldn‘t be a huge difference besides the fact that i changed their entire family around and invented my own, but it makes a big difference in how my character just is. they‘re no longer the big brother type, they no longer have experience changing diapers or send their first money back home so his little siblings can buy something nice. instead, they‘re battling growing up in the shadows of their older siblings and leaving the nest last and nothing they do ever seems new to their parents. that‘s a huge difference, actually.

and so i guess what i‘m trying to say is that fanfiction writers have fucking powerful minds. they can take anyone they encounter in their lives, be that a real person or an already fictional character, and place them into a completely new place with completely new life circumstances by their imagination alone. they‘re able to think those tiny, tiny things through and give them all a place in their story. they have the power to create a completely new scenario that you haven‘t even thought of, let you hang out in it for a couple of hours and then send you on your way again. and you might not even realise just how much thought they have put into it all, into the details, until you try to recreate it and realise how much care it takes to write something.

fanfiction is beautiful. fanfiction writers are fucking great and powerful and all deserve a forehead kiss.

#anyways i love fanfiction #ao3fic #fanfiction #ao3 #archive of our own #writing #fic writing #this might sound really self-obsessed but i‘m actually not including myself in this #because i don‘t think i‘m good at it #but the countless fanfiction authors i‘ve read are literal GODS at it #will stay forever in awe of them

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solaceinabandonment · 6 months

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Im new to proshipping, i understand the concept and all, but I'm struggling because of a background of like ocd need to be morally pure in the eyes of others.

I know the community is basically anti censorship, doesn't stop people from looking down on others and all. So I was wondering if there was any content particularly looked down upon? Loli? Rpf? Beastiality?

I don't know if looked down on is quite the right word so much as like, things that aren't your taste? Incest, especially given the subject of The Coffin of Andy and Leyley is like, the least objectionable thing in the game by a mile, and regardless it's a work of fiction. And that's a lot of what I see as I'm browsing, fiction is fiction and people shouldn't be harassed for enjoying it or creating it. Yes that includes stuff you don't like, yes that includes stuff that squicks you out, mute or block and be on your way. You can enjoy depictions of horrible things in media without being a bad person.

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sesamie · 3 months

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Hey, hope you're good.

I just saw your post about ofmd. I used to love it too, but I hated the fans and I don't fuck w zionists so I'm out of that fandom now.

But one thing I didn't know was that the fans were racist. Do you mind me asking what they said/did that was regarded as racist? Or just something you can vaguely remember?

I'm just curious is all. I was never overly involved with the fanbase, so I never saw anything like that.

hi!! been trying to think for a while on how to answer this. i was under a lot of fire from ofmd fans for a little while so i decided to wait to answer it anyways. i want to disclaim that i'm a pretty white-passing ojibwe kid, meaning i'm native american; all my commentary on the anti-indigenous (and other) racism i saw in the ofmd fandom is not from a maori perspective, rather just a colonized indigenous one in general. there's also the topic of the historical characters portrayed in the show being slaveowners and this being entirely glossed over in the show - which i can't really effectively speak on, other than to say it's disgusting. there is a lot of good writing on media like hamilton and ofmd that just almost completely erase slavery, but i'm not really equipped to write about it.

anyways!!! most of my issues with other people in the ofmd fandom came from their treatment of the character ed teach. now i used to like taika waititi before all this nonsense cause he was an indigenous filmmaker and i'm indigenous and want to be a filmmaker and i thought it was neat that he did what he did. i was super excited to see a Very Popular Show have an indigenous lead whose character was actually indigenous not just ambiguously brown!! and so when i came to the ofmd fandom i sort of expected other people to feel the same - not the case, to say the least. i saw no shortage of white fans writing fic about stede "civilizing" ed (the actual word that most people used) and people writing essays on how ed is abusive and izzy hands was uniquely his innocent (white) victim, and giving white characters this level of grace that ed was not afforded. and i think (couldn't tell you whether this is still accurate as i haven't seen s2 and i never will) a theme of his character was meant to be moral complexity, only white fans can't handle a morally complex character of color, especially not an indigenous one with complex relationships to white characters that they liked better. all the meta i read about ed teach that was written by anyone who wasn't indigenous just completely ignored his indigeneity like it had nothing to do with his character's written place in the world, like any oppression or disrespect ed received was as a result of being poor, or being a pirate, or being (no joke) uniquely aggressive and prone to violence (thus deserving it).

this is just a surface level of the way people talked and wrote about ed teach - racism all over. then, if i or any other fan who was a poc tried to speak up about it, there'd be outcry of puritanism and not letting people have fun and being too sensitive and immature for a fandom space. (although, there's something almost poetically hilarious about me, a 17 yr old, being told i'm too immature, by the same 30 some year olds who are now putting all their money towards their slaveownder rpf show instead of a real cause, let's not get into that, though!) i've not been in a lot of fandoms in my life, i kind of prefer to just enjoy things by myself and tell my close friends about it, but i can confidently say that ofmd was the most racist fandom i've ever been in, and the most hostile to fans of color. (and i was a homestuck fan!!!!) for a show that tries to pride itself on diversity, and a (largely white) fanbase who thinks that Consuming the Diversity Show makes them a Morally Good Person, the way i and plenty of others were treated by holier-than-thou white ofmd fans is just appalling. it's the worst fandom i've ever ever been in, bar none!!! and i think going forward if i like something i'm probably just going to stick to myself about it, honestly.

#aks #thanks for asking! sorry it took so long to write this up. and it's still a little disjointed #but if you want to talk about it some more feel free to send another ask i can try and be more specific #hope you are well!!!

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olderthannetfic · 1 year

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As someone who is in the Dream SMP fandom, which is within the MCYT sphere, I feel like there’s two possible reasons why people are so averse to being called RPF

First, the fandom was basically despised for a while in its beginnings. It was extremely common for people to have DSMP DNI and such as well as people being called racist for liking the DSMP. The fandom was basically deemed cringe and as such it was always a gamble whether or not someone outside the fandom would consider you cringe or a bad person for liking the DSMP. Since the fandom was already stigmatized, it made sense to desperately try and get away from the further stigma of RPF by just saying we’re writing about characters

Second, and more recently, one of the most popular people to write about passed away from cancer in 2022 which caused many, many people to stop writing about him all together. The ones who are left well no one really wants to flat out say “Oh I’m writing RPF of the guy who just died a couple months ago,” it’s just kinda…ick Y’know? Especially since this guy was super duper beloved and respected within the community and no one wants to disrespect the dead basically. So it just feels less, I dunno the right word, morally dubious to say you’re writing fic of a character that was merely played by the guy

There’s probably other reasons out there but those are the main two I can think of

Honestly, I just find this fandom very fun to talk about in terms of how it developed, differences in how it operates depending on social media, why it collapsed basically all at once and the norms around it. I feel like it’s gotten too much of a bad rap due to the dreaded annoying one percent being very loud which trust me the fandom has a one percent that is very annoying. It’s just something you had to be there for to really understand I think

But there’s so many talented artists and writers in the fandom and I am dreading the day a couple years from now some YouTuber who wasn’t there makes a video titled like “The most toxic fandom everrrr” which makes us all out to be that annoying one percent and gets like a million views

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Yes, I've seen the respectability politics leaking out all over the place, which never fails to irritate.

The fandom dynamics are interesting though.

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hyewka · 4 months

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don’t u feel theres like a bit of an ethical / moral issue with writing nc in rpf? like depicting a real person in that way

RPF in general is a murky water for me when it comes to ethics (especially when ive spent a large amount of my life taking classes related or centering around ethics lol). with RPF, i’ve come to the conclusion (for me) that if i think one part of it is morally wrong then all of it is morally wrong, and if i start believing its morally inept for whatever reason, i would stop the hobby completely.

i think just like with nc and all the other hard topics with abuse— its already been established that we’re writing alternate universes, no? there’s really toxic relationship aus, villain aus, yandere aus but they’re all like, how other rpf writers describe it all the time, characters detached from the artist or just a character with a face claim. i mean with me (and a lot of kpop ff writers in general) do often include traits and quirks from the real person into the fic, but more often than not the character they’ve written isn’t mean to reflect the real person that is being written about.

so i mean in conclusion, i do get people who believe its ethically wrong to write nc in rpf and still enjoy other rpf stories, but i personally don’t think its any different than other stories where the person is depicted as extremely toxic or manipulative

#idk let me know your thoughts #anyone can chime in really 😭#i think i could definitely be swayed because like i said i believe its a murky water #and not completely clear of dirt 😭#✶ ━━ rana ; answered

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rivetgoth · 1 year

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what do you think of cursedindustrialconfessions on instagram? and other fandom style confession accounts?

personally i don't find much issue with the accounts themselves but some of the comments and confessions are truly cursed 💀

Been sitting on this ask since I woke up trying to figure out why it doesn’t sit right but yk, here— I don’t have any interest in name dropping specific accounts or pages and talking shit on them (OR conversely praising accounts who I think are the "right" kind of fan). I obviously vagued a few specific instances I’ve seen of behavior I found inappropriate from online “industrial fans” in the original post I made but even then kept usernames out of it and even then I was trying to emphasize that all of these are examples of a larger problem, not that One Particular Guy is the harbinger of inappropriate industrial fan behavior lol. I already shared the bulk of my thoughts about “fandomizing” real life musicians and real life music subcultures/communities and my distaste for it, but ultimately every single topic (especially things that are ultimately not life threatening and I’d even go as far as to call a First World Problem) is going to have plenty of nuance and grey area and I think it’s counterproductive and even hypocritical personally for me to start making lists of the Good and Bad industrial fans/pages. That just as much goes against my view of the industrial scene as a community as the stuff I was bitching about to begin with.

I’m honestly a little nervous about the post I made getting a decent amount of notes to begin with because it’s not like I was trying to write the absolute manifesto on Correct or Moral fan behavior, though I think sometimes my posts are mistaken for such because I write a lot and very passionately (sorry), I was just complaining about trends I’ve seen in online industrial music spaces that feel disrespectful or rub me the wrong way, and ultimately was just trying to strongly emphasize that this subculture is an incredibly important real life community for me full of people I absolutely adore and I don’t like seeing the music or the people who make it fandomized or treated like weird quirky characters, with their experiences and traumas not taken seriously. Obviously there is a grey area to any of it, and ultimately I think stuff like memes or jokes about these guys, fan creations ranging from DIY’d clothing to fan art to fan edits to cosplay to whatever else, and even expressing sexual attraction towards them is generally harmless and normal when it’s done respectfully and thoughtfully, keeping in mind these are real people with real traumas, who are not that famous, who can and do look themselves up online and see what’s going on, or have friends who do and then send it to them. Like, I was planning to make that post BEFORE Ogre spoke up about how he was reading comments online about people complaining about the show not being as bloody as prior ones and how it upset him because the older shows were an expression of authentic pain and suffering and even literal self harm and this new show was an intentional movement towards something new and the fact that he’s in a better place in life now… He said that because he saw firsthand what people were saying about him online!

So idk man. But ultimately if you really really want my thoughts? I think any time something is described as “fandom style” in the context of real people or an active real life music subculture all of my hair bristles like a scared animal and my fight or flight response kicks in lol. And I ultimately think that y’all are gonna have to decide for yourselves what you’re okay with rather than ask me, because Lord knows I am not the keeper of all that is objectively right and true. I think some of MY opinions for what is or isn’t okay might actually be more extreme than others (like I said in my previous post—I’m much more neutral on RPF than many I’ve seen, which I think is a controversial take? I just think like anything else there is lots of nuance in that conversation. Idk.), I just encourage anyone calling themselves an industrial fan or viewing it as a fandom to try dipping their toes into an IRL alt music scene and start talking more to old timers and going to shows and clubs and making friends and connections that way with other people who are devoting parts of their life to actively engaging with the community surrounding this music face to face because I think it can very quickly change your perspective for the better and kinda demystify some of the more fandom-y mindsets that these guys are larger than life caricatures to be memed on the same way you would talk about like, Herbert West or Will Graham or whatever.

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deepestbluesky · 5 months

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i was tagged by @minnarr to list my 5 favorite fics i've written! it's actually very funny to me, because i saw one of these posts yesterday from a writer i like very much who i've followed for ages, and then i got tagged today, and i realized the connecting thread is literally just one person in between. anyway!

note: in case you haven't looked closely at my ao3 page (or. not closely tbh. to my eternal regret, it's still my top fandom), i used to write hockey rpf. i don't anymore, because i think hockey and especially the nhl is morally bankrupt and actively harmful, and i no longer feel comfortable writing about nhl players or sharing fic about them. this is all to say: 1, i actually don't think i've explicitly said that before and it's important to me, and 2, i will not mention any fics from this fandom.

LUCKILY, i've somehow???? written a lot????? since then????? this continues to baffle me. how did i get here. (🎶letting the days go by🎶) (if you think, gee, did sky have trouble picking 5 fics? it has been fully half an hour and i'm still at 11 fics. the lengths i go to for tumblr posts that don't matter.) (have now picked fics, didn't take much longer bc i decided to try and go for a wide spread of fandoms, and also to pick the ones in that 11-fic list that had the lowest kudos lol)

give thanks to the broken bones. this is a batfam fic in which bruce wayne gets kidnapped as a civilian and dick grayson comes to rescue him. i have some defensive feelings about this and about the way dick and bruce's relationship is written here, but i often feel like i'm not great at writing complicated relationships that aren't just fluffy, and i feel like i nailed it here. also: gen fics.

tired of waiting for tomorrow to come. another batfam fic! this one a character study of sorts about jason todd and also my love letter about bruce springsteen's music. it's one of the most self-indulgent fics i've ever written and i'm really satisfied with it, even tho there are definitely things i wish i'd done differently too. i wrote a dvd commentary companion too so if you want Even More Of My Thoughts about it, they are on ao3 :D

daydreamers please wake up. there are goddamn NINE fics for this fucking fandom and mine is the LONGEST??? this is a fic for another dc comic, Far Sector, written by nk jemisin and drawn by jamal campbell. i loved far sector, i think it's gorgeous and fun and a cool sci fi story with very fun characters, and so when i had a chance to write a fic for it for yuletide, i was DELIGHTED. and then i realized i had to figure out how to write horror for the first time. it was a lot of work and i think it turned out really well.

don't let the stars get you down. this is a fic for the untamed, and it's jiang yanli and jin zixuan. i have now written TWO platonic marriage fics for the untamed, and i'm personally thrilled about this fact. this one is shorter but also, in some ways, more interesting to me. i really love fics that dig into jyl and what she's doing and thinking and i haven't written as many as i'd like, but that is very much what this fic is. also i just have so much love and affection in my heart for the idea of two people being married and having a kid while not being In Love and in fact having sex with and falling in love with other people.

you're a curious one. this is a word of honor fic, and it is, of course, hanwenzhou. so, to be clear, if you count shl/tyk/qy together, it's CLEARLY my second most written fandom. and yet it ended up with only one representative on this list, partially because i have more kudos in this fandom lol. but that said, if i was only gonna pick one, it had to be REALLY on brand, and this fic is PEAK sky is on her bullshit. inspired by a critical role scene with sexy dangerous vampire attacks. the whole fic is building tension that never quite resolves bc building the tension is way more fun to me than writing sex scenes usually. spoiler: everything is actually fine and there's a happy resolution. this concept still lives in my head rent free.

idk who to tag, so AS USUAL, if you see this and want to play the game, do it and say i tagged you! i am very serious, you can tag me even if we've never interacted. you can also not tag me but say you got it from me! whatever works.

#my fic #ask games

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moregraceful · 1 year

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top 5 moments in sports you'd use to convince someone that watching them is worth it

god i have been thinking about this three days and then realised...i'm overthinking it so much. top 5 moments in sports! in no particular order

i hate hate hate that tweet that's like "the point of sports is to be sad in a group." no it's not! the point of sports is to feel every human emotion in existence for three hours, often with other people. and i hear you say, why would i want to feel to feel that much for three hours with people. because it reminds you that you are alive! wins and losses make you feel alive! that is a moment i recommend: watching a sport and realizing you are so invested that, even if the outcome sucks, goddamn do you feel alive.

related to that but more specifically: the come from behind win. bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, your team is down by three? and some dipshit hits a grandslam? 2 minutes left in the period, the team is down two and they just pulled their goalie? and then pull a win out of their asses? the way you're on the edge of your seat as your team claws their way back from the brink and then does something wild and wins the game? there is nothing like it

when the narrative aligns. (i'm divorcing this from rpf.) obviously there is no moral arc in sports, but there is a wonderful kind of long form storytelling in: this team set records for being bad and four years later, won it all. this player missed an entire season due to injury and came back and immediately won a championship. the narrative of failure and success and teams rising triumphantly and falling from grace -- watching that play out is so fun.

frankly i am not athletic and will never be athletic, so that moment when you see an elite athlete doing an insane thing with their body that is beyond your comprehension. like that video of serena williams doing trick shots with dude perfect? every time i watch that video i lose my mind. she is SO good and i do not understand how she does it and i love watching her. when you get to watch a really good athlete be really really good? that's awesome

and last but not least, when a team gets knocked out of playoff contention and they immediately go beast mode to take out every team in the vicinity too. it's petty. but it's beautiful. i love watching teams who are fully out of the playoffs go, you know what? fuck this and fuck you. and proceed to force a bunch of teams to fight for their lives. i love it, especially when it is happening by and to multiple teams i am not invested in

this was so fun to think about, thank you!!

#my other recommendation is just to go to a game and be open to the human experience bc that's how i fell in love with hockey and that's why #i love baseball so much - going to an arena or ballpark and just seeing the entire thing play out live with other people....unmatched #i mean obvs also. high chance of being hatecrimed in some arenas #high chance of having to deal with drunk and belligerent fans being obnoxious #high chance of watching your team lose and having to see their sad faces irl #but when it's good? it's SO good #cage replies #thank you for this question i loved it!!!#cool stories with kasper

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yarnpenguin · 6 months

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I'm a fandom old.

I just left this comment on a Reddit post. Thought I'd drop it here. Just to have extra access to it.

I've been around the block in fandom. There's always been holier-than-thou types, but they were... tamer.

I started on the peripheries of fandom in the late 90s, and then I was in a fandom that didn't have fanworks. I got involved, fully, properly, at 18 years old, in 2000, in the Due South fandom. I have the very distinct honour of being the reason a separate mailing list, "Due South After Dark", had to be created. I wrote a fic that involved either handcuffs or a blindfold. Some people were SO OFFENDED by this tiny bit of mild kink that it caused an uproar.

But it was kind of just pearl clutching. I wasn't called a monster or suicide baited or anything like that. In fact, a lot of the offended parties didn't even talk directly to me, just around me and about the fic itself.

And that's the flavour that sort of stuck with a lot of fandom drama for years. The shipping wars of the early 2000s were shockingly tame, and there was also a lot of--to use an antiquated term--wank about slash shippers; the first time I saw the "fetishisation" accusations dating back all the way to the early/mid 2000s.

I do remember that there was a small contingent of Harry/Hermione shippers who accused Hermione/Ron shippers of liking "abuse" because Hermione and Ron bickered (not unlike Han and Leia or Elizabeth and Darcy). One of the big things is that a lot of this was not actually targeted. It was people pontificating on their LiveJournals without calling out anyone by name. Not that there wasn't a lot of arguments In the Comments(tm) and whatnot.

The first time I ever saw the term "SJW" was actually in fandom, some years before I started seeing it in "mainstream" online discourse. It was in the late 2000s, and it was used by left-leaning fanpeople against other left-leaning fanpeople. Right or wrong, it was a term levied against a certain type of, and I'm not going to beat around the bush, middle-class white woman in her late 20s and older. To be clear: fandom, especially when involving middle-class white women, has long had problems with racism, misogyny, homophobia, etc. But this specific type of fan, the "SJW" type, held to their convictions so hard they would drive people out of fandom. This is when things started to get targeted. When individual fans would get called out not for behaviour (eg, MsScribe, Victoria Bitter) but for what they made. For their fic. One young person who wrote a thoroughly misguided SPN AU (I don't remember if it was RPF or FPF--she wrote the characters as aid workers in maybe Haiti?) was driven out of fandom over that one fic; there was no atoning for it. There was no ability to learn why she shouldn't have written it. She was just a monster.

I can see these threads all converging and leading to, for instance, the Voltron: Legendary Defender shipping nonsense and the demonisation of one pairing over the other on moral grounds. I can see it coming from the Due South ladies who were offended by handcuffs and/or a blindfold, from the Harry/Hermione shippers saying that Hermione/Ron shippers were okay with abuse, from the specific callouts by white women towards people who wrote things unthinkingly and out of ignorance without having the opportunity to make amends for their grievous misdeeds in fic.

I can see how it leads to this thing, where we have people telling folks to kill themselves because they like a pairing with a 5-year age gap. Saying it's immoral to ship two characters because one of them is "autistic-coded" and therefore a child even though the character is in their 20s, it doesn't matter, that's pedophilia somehow (hey, Critical Role fans). Painting people as monsters because of a video game where the main characters commit murder and cannibalism and incest and it's not the first two things that are a problem.

The antis make everyone out to just be monsters, even the people who don't even like the taboo and dark fics, they just don't believe in censorship, harassment, suicide baiting, etc, over fucking fanfic. It's become "with us or against us". It's... terrifying. Especially because it's targeted against oftentimes vulnerable people who don't have, say, studios and publishers and tons of money to keep them safe. They go after, y'know, AstarionsGirl292 and not George R R fucking Martin. Well, I think they went after Tamsyn Muir? But she ain't GRRM, is she?

It's a helpless feeling, seeing fandom get to this point. But I can untangle it. And it sucks.

#a ramble #thoughts on fandom #help I'm old

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alittledizzy · 6 months

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A THOUSAND times yes. How many times has a content creator been made aware of rpf about them from some fandom whistleblower, when we all just could have gone on our merry way as we were?:P Fandoms are deemed odd/weird in general by a lot of people; we don’t need another moral hierarchy within the system. Idk why people feel the need to be goalkeepers. DnP are in their 30s. They don’t need fandom white knights:P Especially not Sister Daniel and Devil Phil, who knew exactly what they were doing.

preach. (that wasn't even about dan and phil but like. it's a universal fandom concept.)

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