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#Me: I think angry Bart is interesting because it's not something I associate with him fully.
peacerisendove · 1 year
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I was doing some rereading and I think that Bart Allen acted more like a Thawne than an Allen at times when he was The Flash in The Flash: Fastest Man Alive. And particularly so when he was fighting Thad because he was tapping more into his anger and rage which are very explicitly associated with Thawnes in the comics.
It’s seen with Malcolm Thawne (Barry Allen’s twin brother), who began the Allen-Thawne feud and also created the Cobalt Blue gem due to the immense amount of rage and wrath he held:
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(The Flash (1987) #145)
It’s seen with Eobard, Thad, President Thawne, Meloni even states she had a desire to smother her father in his sleep (which is great and I support her), and generations of Thawnes who are able to tap into the power of the Cobalt Blue gem which is based in hatred.
This hatred with regard to Malcolm’s descendants is associated with the Thawne ideology and is a learned hatred, but I think interesting that his character also has instances of following this pattern and characteristic associated with Thawnes despite being raised as an Allen and as a hero. I also think it’s interesting because Bart’s character and writing surrounding on him has never personally touched on or associated him with Thawnes except for stating that his mother is a Thawne and that his grandfather, President Thawne, wanted to convert him to the Thawne side. Bart has never weighed in or commented on this half of his lineage.
But even despite that Bart doesn’t seem like he’s an exception to this pattern/characteristic associated with Thawnes because he also displays this intense rage too at times such as seen when he is The Flash. He breaks his knuckles on Thad’s face and when he sees the Black Flash, a certain sign of a speedster’s death, he actively tries to kill Thad. It is a kill or be killed situation, but typically heroes and Flashes specifically tend to stay away from killing. And similarly in Teen Titans Bart wants to get revenge on Thad after his death (and for context Thad has already died himself due to the fact he killed Bart), even despite this being a simulated version of Thad feels very Thawne like as well because he’s not just punishing this version of him, but is once again actively desires to kill him.
So while it does seem unlike Bart to give into rage or anger this intense it’s interesting to think that Bart also holds a tendency toward anger or rage at times that connects him back to the Thawnes and this prominent theme/characteristic associated with them with regard to his character, and is also ironically used against them.
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(Flash: The Fastest Man Alive #13)
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(Teen Titans (2003) #98) (This occurs after Bart comes back to life).
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timaltman · 7 years
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Heya. I hope this doesn't come off as rude but could you possibly direct me to some good place to learn/read about Tim Drake? I hardly know anything about him and would like to change that. No worries if you can't!
Omg no not rude at ALL!! I will happily direct to all the places for more Tim Drake content because anyone who is interested in learning about Tim Drake is automatically Good in my book.
So here’s a quick summary on Tim’s original, pre-52 story: 
Tim was always fascinated by Batman and Robin as a child and actually discovered their identities at a very young age, thanks to deducing that Robin was Dick Grayson through his gymnastics skills, gathering that Bruce was Batman by association. When Jason Todd died, Tim realized Batman was becoming violent and a danger to himself and others, so he stepped up, asking first Dick to come back to be Robin, and then offered to do it himself when Dick refused. With fairly absent parents, he assumed it would be something he could do to keep his mind off of feeling lonely. 
His mom ends up dying in an non-Batman-related kidnapping, dad in a coma, and Tim becomes Robin. He’s Robin for some time, juggling school, his recovering father, relationships, “regular teenager things” etc. He carries on with a brief break and a lot of trials, tribulations and tragedies, before Damian Wayne, biological son of Bruce, comes along, Bruce “dies”, and Dick takes over as Batman, instating Damian as Robin and pushing Tim out on his own. He adopts the mantle of Red Robin, previously used by Jason Todd, in order to go search for Bruce. New 52 then happens and the universe resets and I am sad.
So if that interests you at all, THIS is a masterpost with basically all of your comics for Tim! They give a brief summary of them too, and I think almost all the links are functional (?) and have options to read or download. In my opinion, the later Robin comics are very good and Red Robin is one of the best comic runs to exist, plus it’s short at only 26 issues. :) Also, his Teen Titans issues are great because he has friends!! Like Kon, Bart, Cassie, and some of the others!
In summary, Tim’s personality gets simplified by the fandom into a sleep deprived nerd, but he’s pretty complex! He’s definitely got a lot of issues from his upbringing, but he’s loyal to a fault, cares a little too much, brilliant, and extremely dedicated to Bruce’s mission. He can also be cold, manipulative, and angry in his later years. He’s often compared to Bruce and many say he’s the most like Bruce out of all the bat kids because he is “The Detective” of the kids. I’ve written a small synopsis on his character and some of his relationships HERE, if you’d like to read it! And there’s THIS really cool “10 adjectives to describe Tim” post that I love. :) 
tl;dr: Tim Drake is awesome and clicky the link for my reference tag with lots of Tim things!
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