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egg-emperor · 1 year

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there is a ton of hypocrisy in most of the people that have been shitting on me actually so I shouldn't let it bother me. but it's just frustrating that some are allowed to go around preaching that they're accepting of darker concepts and love when Eggman is evil and fucked up but then bitch about me and say I'm a terrible person and monster, specifically write it all wrong, have all the wrong takes and opinions.

apparently I'm still too much and awful to them because what I believe and create is not 100% up to their personal tastes and agreement. apparently it means I made those choices to upset them in particular, like I'm not just my own person with my own thoughts, opinions, and imagination and create what I want without them crossing my mind at all before they insert themselves into it.

I'm glad I know how to accept and befriend people with different opinions and interests. people think I can't just because I'm still sure to share my own thoughts as I should be free to. sometimes I disagree with friends immensely but they're free to think what they want. I just come in and throw in my two cents when I feel like it when it comes to interpretation or correct something when it comes to actual facts because I want to help out.

I don't enjoy being in a hive mind where it feels like the rule is you're only allowed to be vocal if you're saying what everyone else wants and if you don't then you should just stfu and repress different ways you think and feel and get accused of bad intentions and punished if you don't. I've even had people get angry just because I hypothetically wouldn't like their fanfic I haven't even read. like what?

it's part of being human to both agree and disagree and hate and dislike things people around you say and believe and like or dislike, no matter how much you get along with them. obviously. so why pretend we always agree, never share our different opinions, and think hard about who's going to like and dislike our honest thoughts and feelings on a fictional character and have to keep it to ourselves if xyz isn't going to personally like it? it's exhausting.

we're all different and we should embrace that, instead of being made to feel forced to hide our feelings and repress ourselves to please others that are sensitive and intolerant towards different perspective, then try to project that and their insecurity in their own onto others. I'm not here to only say what everyone else wants to hear, I'm here to express myself and how I really feel and I should especially be free to on my own blog of all places.

if people like and agree with what I say and create, I really appreciate it and I'm glad it can be enjoyable/agreeable. but it's simply impossible for me to always be agreeable in every single circumstance, sometimes people may hate what I say and believe and create for this character but I'm just doing what I believe and I enjoy and I'm allowed just as much as anyone else. I just wish I wasn't punished and accused of maliciousness because of it.

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onebizarrekai · 2 years

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I just rewatched the entire ending of v3 for the first time since I initially got to it in april 2020 and I feel like I have some altering retrospective on it (holy crap I ended up with more than I expected)

please note that this is heavily based on my own surface analysis and features conflicting opinions between what I perceive now versus what I felt when I first saw it. this is also really disorganized-looking because it just accumulated over the course of me watching it

while the v3 ending is still insane, I feel like it’s easier to squint inquisitively at it now than it was the first time I saw it. before, I got this weird message of “treating fictional characters bad is BAD and you should feel guilty about enjoying this series or wanting something else out of this game because you’re just like those people in the audience during the trial” but I think that might’ve just been… reading too far into a knee jerk reaction. creating that distance between my expectation at the time and what I know about the game now has done odd things.

I mean, tsumugi does say that “none of this matters none of this has any meaning” and shuichi says “stfu our pain matters!” because like even if they accept that they’re not real and ‘trapped in the dr universe’, fiction does mean something to people.

tsumugi says almost right away that “our latest project is danganronpa v3, a heart-pounding killing game brought to life by Real Fiction” implying that this is the only hypothetical killing game that actually does this real fiction chaos. it makes you wonder how the fuck rantaro fits into the picture if you take this literally.

I’m not really sure whether the real fiction thing refers to whether this is the first season where they’ve turned real people into characters or whether it just means this is the first time they’ve tried to go meta by referencing that they used to be real people. I kind of… thought it was the first one.

the audience watching from keebo’s eyes is one of the biggest glaring evidences of inconsistency since the player is playing from shuichi’s perspective.

it’s like… yeah. the reason that this is all inapplicable to real life and how it’s not REALLY pointing fingers at treatment of fictional characters and is more of a badly timed coincidence is because tsumugi is defining the fiction as them being “flesh and blood characters” and all their memories and talents being fake. the thing that makes them very arguably fiction is how they’ve been written into the story even though they also say that their ‘bodies are real’ and that they used to be real people before their brains were rewritten.

she’s saying that they can only exist in the world of dr… but choosing hope would cause them to ‘graduate’ anyway, so like, that’s not consistent. I mean, why wouldn’t she try to manipulate them into continuing the series with reverse psychology?

shuichi comes back to a realist approach. he stops bothering to argue about whether they’re real or not because he decides that it doesn’t make a difference–what does matter is that the killing games will continue if they play along.

because keebo is being shot as the main character here, it’s trying to shift the approach. I think like, them ‘stopping the series’ wasn’t actually the intention of the not-writers (the imaginary ones). like, keebo is being declared the mc even though the players know this is not their experience.

I kind of like to imagine that shuichi is clinging onto some semblance of rebellion.

it’s too bad that it kind of undermines the rest of the unrelated series, and it’s odd for it to be criticizing its own positive message like it was a problem all along (when, of course, ‘real fiction’ was not a thing in the other games and they existed independently)… but I guess you can disconnect them?

there’s actually some interesting stuff in here. in retrospect the things I hated before aren’t actually that bad–like the whole thing about it having gone on for 53 killing games isn’t all that ridiculous. I mean, it makes absolutely no sense that tsumugi would only costume herself as people from the first 2 games, but I guess you could pass that off as a sledgehammer to the actual players rather than being relevant to the game.

shuichi doesn’t care about any of this reality or fiction bullshit. from his perspective, he’s just Angry. how else is he supposed to respond? they’re not going to shoehorn anything about how terrible things happening to fictional characters isn’t the same thing as terrible things happening to real people because like… it’s not relevant.

they do emphasize that they don’t know whether they are real or fictional. like, shuichi doesn’t care whether it’s real or fictional, and that’s why he mentions his thing at the end about how it could go either way. whatever his pain is defined as doesn’t matter to him because it’s pain to him either way. it stops being about hope and defeating despair through the power of feelings and just being about “I don’t fucking care anymore this game is going to end by not playing it” the amount of absolute spite and rage emanating off his person is like, inspiring in a sense, but the way it’s written just feels so odd.

I can understand how what tsumugi is saying can be taken to mean “fiction doesn’t matter or make a difference” as opposed to being a direct criticism of how fiction is examined, but on the other hand, it does look a bit like shuichi is directly criticizing people who write stories since we know that he was, logically, written by a person who was working on v3 as a game. like… his experience with ‘being fictional’ is not the same as actual fiction. fiction is a demon bunny that I just thought up. fiction is not people getting their brains overwritten and participating in a killing game.

another thing: keebo's inner voice is distinctly separate from the player, since the player tells keebo to do stuff that contradicts the audience.

I just noticed something really weird. so like, the monitors turn off, right? the displays with the character’s faces and names turned off when shuichi started saying he was sick of the killing games and when keebo started defying the audience.

they turned back on…… when shuichi said that they will reject danganronpa. why would they turn back on?

himiko and maki go dead silent for like 20 minutes and then shuichi asks them to abstain from voting with him and maki does the line repeat thing again all like ‘abstain from voting?’ I’M LIKE YES MAKI. ABSTAIN FROM VOTING (I think I failed to mention how this trial is extremely long because everyone spends so much time reiterating the same information and repeating each other’s lines)

“only those who have found the truth can choose their destiny” what a weird line to drop shuichi

AWW shuichi telling maki to believe in herself

tsumugi brings up again that for all they know they’re still following the trajectory of her script, but it is getting much more ambiguous.

“come on it’d be a lousy story if the hero gave up so easily” that’s a weird thing for shuichi to say but the thought that he sees maki as the hero is nice.

this ending isn’t actually that abysmal (this was my first personal experience–you may realize I’ve gotten neck deep into analyzing everyone’s wildly different experiences with this game), it’s just slow as shit and you can’t really compare it to the rest of the series. it also hinges on the worse parts of fandom… you know what I mean? and the game exploits your existing knowledge of the series in a really annoying way up to that point (interestingly, people who don’t play all the games in a row and/or in chronological order seem to enjoy v3′s story more.)

yes, they are telling a decent and thought-provoking story, but the story doesn’t match the rest of the games and they are trying to insist that it does.

logically, the characters defending themselves makes perfect sense–because it’s under the pretense that they used to be real people and had their entire selves rewritten in an inherently flawed description of what it means to be fictional. their lives and their bodies are considered real things, so they use their lives to try to change the world. out of context, this makes sense, but they are trying to depict it in some kind of meta way that is intended to influence the actual real world when it is actually inapplicable.

there is actually a little bit of positivity to be found here. even though everyone is rejecting ‘hope and despair’ (which is really just a way of them saying they’re rejecting the plot of the game) they’re still hoping that what they’re doing is going to change the world, and they still believe in each other.

I guess the ending hits a little less hard if you don’t go away from it like “oh everything that happened in the game doesn’t matter I can’t believe that was all a waste of fucking time” because that directly conflicts with what they just spent the whole trial talking about.

I mean… if you were me last year and you thought that you were gonna get answers instead, or thought that the story was going to go in a completely different direction, it's easy to be disappointed.

“our friends who died gave us their love and inspired change in us. if we can inspire change in others, then that love will live on” oh… that’s good, actually.

I’m like very big on the idea of the power art has to change the world and people’s hearts, so this speaks my language.

I just wish that… it wasn’t in the context of trying to use meta-speak to criticize people for creating or enjoying a piece of fictional media.

“shuichi, you can change the world. because you’re kaito’s sidekick” thanks maki I love you

their meta message is supposed to be about the meaningfulness of fiction in the world. but… it just comes across as worded badly. their message about how it can change the world is supposed to be associated with how it can inspire the world to be better, but it was strewn from how they felt persecuted by it. it’s not insisting that danganronpa itself has made the world a worse place, I suppose. they’re saying they can use their roles to make the world better. and like, that’s neat? but it’s easy to conflate them because of how it’s written and why they are doing it.

I mean… they are also saying that the killing game is wrong. it’s like… yeah. the killing game is obviously wrong in the context of them being real people in their universe and being made to participate in the game. however, this is incredibly easy to interpret as a criticism of creating stories where bad things happen.

(unrelated, but when would a series that big and famous ever care about what the audience wanted? they would definitely just be doing it for the money.)

also tsumugi spends a LOT of time saying things are the truth. but then she specifically says “oh no I just wanted to support you guys, you guys are my friends!” and they’re like “no we’re not” and tsumugi is like "nooo! I turned over a new leaf! I’m not lying, it’s the truth.” which is interesting considering how many things she’s outlined as the truth in this trial. she also turned back into regular tsumugi during that part…

she’s also saying that the rules don’t matter and she can do whatever she wants because it’s all fiction. weird…

hmmm… I’m also just thinking about tsumugi. is it at this point that the story actually went off the rails? like, for some reason I have this memory of believing that the ending was all on purpose.

“you never appreciated us… and it looks like you didn’t appreciate the Power of Fiction!” I’m losing my shit that line is gold

it’s actually really interesting how many people who like v3 a lot really like tsumugi, so it’s not like they’re criticizing her character as some monster. it’s interesting how the thing she likes about danganronpa is that it’s a killing game, rather than… the reasons real people like danganronpa.

GHJFKH “I worked hard to keep this going for 53 seasons” HOW OLD ARE YOU TSUMUGI

I KEPT DANGANRONPA ALIVE UPHILL BOTH WAYS IN THE SNOW

her line about being a cosplaycat criminal is just fuckin there it like comes out of nowhere and then keebo goes like ALL RIGHT TIME TO DESTROY THE SCHOOL they definitely just affirmed in 1 line that the whole thing could’ve been a lie. thanks kodaka

WHY DOES KEEBO HAVE A SELF DESTRUCT BUTTON ON THE FRONT OF HIS BODY THIS IS DOOFENSCHMIRTZ LEVEL DESIGN

anyway, that’s everything. if you want to see a couple of my thoughts on the epilogue, you can read them here. however, after refreshing the ending trial, I feel like my opinion has become a little more ambiguous again since the trial bombards you with confusing yet prominent information. it provoked a particular thought in me…

if you decide to believe the final trial and tsumugi’s story, you get v3′s ending of supposedly successfully changing the world. even if they defeated an imperceived threat, at least they succeeded at something.

if you decide that the final trial is a lie… you are deciding that experience was simply part of the conjured narrative on behalf of bringing better meaning to the other games in the series. (e.g. the other games get to be more than plotlines controlled by people who never cared about the positive messages they were conveying and only did it out of obligation or a desire to create a killing game.)

it’s an interesting dilemma, huh? is there a middle ground to be found?

I mean, these two ideas can coexist in some ways. they could always exist in within the danganronpa universe where people have decided to capitalize on past killing games. that’s always a fun one.

it’s just really interesting how one’s perspective of this game’s choice of narrative can warp so drastically depending on what kind of feedback you see about it and when you notice how much you like the characters and how much they’ve all collectively grown on you well after you’ve finished playing it. there were all kinds of things in v3 that were poorly handled and I still feel like there wasn’t nearly enough evidence in the game that indicated that the ending was coming (like I wasn’t expecting it AT ALL at the time, even if I considered the possibility that their memories were fake due to the outrageous nature of the story and got spoiled that tsumugi was the mastermind–I thought all the twists were going to be different), but my thoughts on it are always shifting about.

maybe the real message of v3 was how much those characters would go on and mean things to people after the story was over.

#god I want to replay v3 but I CAN'T #curse you only being on windows #I'm afraid of getting the switch version #random stuff #drv3 spoilers

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