Exactly

as a max Stan( but you also seem like a very objective also), you thoughts about CL in RBR? I know it’s probably the most common discussion on twitter but I don’t remember your take on it.

Okay. I am completely leaving aside how Max said it would be a disservice to Charles' talent and how Charles always says he wants his WDC to be in Ferrari.

I am not y'alls favourite dilf Christian Horner, but let's think from a TP's point of view:

Having two equally talented guys in the team seems like a great idea, right? You have the two alpha wolves of the pack and your car suits to both their driving styles and you expect all the p1-p2s there can ever be, yes? Everything will be great, because your drivers won't have to adapt themselves to the car, since both Max and Charles seem to prefer a pointy front and a looser/flexible rear..... Until you find yourself with a civil war and a hellish amd toxic work environment for everyone involved, a divided garage and political shit which will tear up the morale and the motivation day by day.

There is a reason why you don't get two top dogs of similar age. Toto experienced it first hand. The current demographic of the fans is very young, so they possibly haven't witnessed how Nico and Lewis literally tore each other a new one every race weekend both in front of the cameras and behind closed doors. Even to the point of Lewis blaming the engineers at the factory with developing the car more towards to Nico's liking and insuniating that they sabotaged his car somehow.

Would Christian want to deal with shit like this every day? Of course, he wouldn't. Why should a team lose precious time and energy on intra team shenanigans (and also fight other teams in the meanwhile, thus dividing all resources and patience and morale) instead of standing united and fighting against other teams?

I am a shipper, but I am not stupid. I have watched both their career for a long time and I know how they treat their team mates. In the first wiff of blood, I am pretty sure Charles will turn cold and political while maintaining a PR look. Max is more open and gets going by seeing good faith in people, but if you play dirty with him, I doubt even Charles can take it. Max has a cruel and merciless side that he chooses to not show much, which is very clinical and unfeeling. He also has the psychological edge of having multiple WDCs and also knowing the car and the team much more intimately. Charles can be quite detached and cold, too, when he wants and also can be very sassy with a forked tongue. But he has a lot to prove and is also getting very desperate as years go by and has to sway the team to his favor. He is much more mistake prone and he will be measured up against a 3x WDC even if he jumps ship next year. It is a lot to shoulder. It is a huge task. And RedBull will not politically sway to his side in the way he'd want until he'd beat Max tooth and nail and within an inch of his life. Which will also be within an inch of his own life, too.

And this process.... It is ugly to watch and manage for both the TP and all the team from the mechanics to the media personnel to the pitwall.

Nobody would want to deal with it.

Getting a strong and consistent second driver who will accept their role and be there when the first driver can't deliver for whatever reason and can get all the points they can for the WCC is much more manageable, peaceful, and ideal.

I can completely understand Charles fans wanting to see their boy in the top team, but that's neither feasible nor possible. What we should all need to understand is how the team mentalities should change, not just the car.

2022 Ferrari challenger seriously could have been a WDC car. But we all saw how having a good car doesn't mean shit when you aren't a team that has cleared its head about what it wants in what way and how. Indecisiveness, being divided, saying you don't have a 1st/2nd driver, saying the team is over everyone (Ferrari should really think of their priorities they aren't a football team) and team success is much more important than a driver's and thus you can sacrifice your wdc contenders race just because otherwise you can get more points as a team.....

Michael, Seb, Lewis, Max all had their teams wholly supporting and accommodating them. Sure they all had problems with their 2nd drivers, but it was all managable. Unless Charles feels like they did/do, unless the team takes its head out of its ass and starts to act more rationally, Charles won't win for them ever. I don't think anyone can, tbh. Because this team literally fears another Michael level ownage. Michael had them by the throat and no matter how much glory songs they sing about him, I think the top brass fears giving up the reins to a driver to that extent again. Shit always has to be done their way. I remember reading an article about how Seb seemed to be disillusioned by the way the team and development kept him at bay from involving himself too much into how shit was done unlike the way he was accustomed to in Redbull. A driver is just an instrument for this team, not a focus. I wonder if Charles understands this.

Realistically speaking, he doesn't have anywhere else to go. But continuing like this also seems like a career ending choice. Man, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.

no conspiracy or whatever, but i think charles is being treated the worst amongst "young" drivers who are supposed to be their team focus/future/hope. and he is the one, outside max, that has proven the most for his team. this doesn't make any sense

It's not even a conspiracy, it's just the truth 😭 The sad part is absolutely no one saw this coming. Not now, not in a season where Ferrari has the car and has the driver and, well, at least initially had the ambition. Of course I knew how most people end their term at Ferrari, but I think I (and a lot of of other people) stupidly assumed 1. it wouldn't be so bad since he's one of their own, a product of the FDA, and surely that has to mean something, how ugly could things get?, 2. it would happen much, much later down the line. Like, years. I thought it would be... I don't know, Ferrari consistently giving him under-performing cars or something that would cause a rift. But whatever is happening now, the way he's being sidelined for no good reason that isn't motivated by internal politics and big sponsor money...it's shocking and frustrating because it just doesn't make logical sense.

I've thought about this in regards to this question that's been coming up lately of what are Charles's options if not Ferrari? We're in this relatively new situation where a lot of academy drivers have graduated to the 'big' teams - Max at RB was first, then Charles at Ferrari, Lando at McLaren and finally George at Mercedes completing the big four. Hell, even Alpine (who were genuinely regarded as having one of the worst academies in terms of young driver to seat ratio) are looking to put Oscar into a seat, even if it means loaning him out for now. And I think for the most part they're all doing right by them. Max is obviously in the best situation at the moment, with the team fully supporting him and being sort of built around him. And it paid off, he got that first title, and at the rate he's going, he's going to be picking up a second come November.

Anyway, safe to say this current situation is the last thing I expected: didn't have Ferrari giving up on Charles on my 2022 bingo card yet here we are. And the thing is everyone else can see his talent - hell, rival TPs are praising him; he's been getting more compassion and understanding from his rivals than those within his own team, including his teammate. It's not like he's had a performance drop-off or is being genuinely outscored and outperformed by his teammate which makes Ferrari reconsider their priorities. He's been giving them his 120% since the moment they signed him and especially this year, and it was so heart-wrenching to watch him keep repeating that he still believes in the championship as much as he did at the start of the season when it seemed like he's the only one out of the team that does.

I can't think of another team, certainly not any of the top teams, that would do what Ferrari did in Silverstone. It defies all logic to not prioritise your championship contender when his main rival is having a bad day at the office. A vulnerable Max is a gift that very rarely comes around and they just threw it away and they're claiming it was the right decision. And now they've caused an even bigger mess with the ambiguity of having their drivers so close to each other in the standings. They've been reluctant to put their faith and trust in Charles and failed to have the basic respect and decency to make him the number one driver, the one who will bring them that title if they only let him, when it never should have even been a question.

I'm scared to death that Charles will become another Massa, Barrichello or Ricciardo. Giving it his all, becoming an icon of the sport, but never winning a title.

It hurts so much because I truly feel he has more potential than them and is actually one of the best drivers I've seen. Didn't Seb say he's the most talented driver he knows? The same Seb who raced alongside Schumacher, Raikkonen, Hamilton...

I'm scared that Charles loves Ferrari too much to leave, and he'll sacrifice his own health and career for them.

I'm scared that Ferrari is ruining him while he's so young.

IF in 2 years he leaves for another team... what will be left of him? Will he still have enough drive and motivation? And above all, what top team might want him? Putting him in RB with Macs feels like asking for trouble. Those two would kill each other. Mercedes (which I'm sure will bounce back) has Russell, so even if LH retires, I don't think they would want Charles to compete with George. Just like RB, they need the perfect #2 driver that will help the other win, rather than be in direct competition. Neither George nor Macs would ever agree to that.

So a part of me feels like Charles deserves better than Ferrari... but another part of me thinks, if not Ferrari then what team?

I agree anon, it's early to give up, but at the third bad race while rb is running away with the championship it hurts very bad.

He will get his time to shine, he will get what is his, I have faith in that. With what team, at this point I can't find an answer

The top one are a bad fit for him, in different ways, rb is just hell on earth I can only accept Charles there if Horner, M*x, Helmut, Checo are gone keep Newey and the strategies they are good. Merc while being a good team, is just not the right fit even without George. It's hard right now to even think about Charles not in red, just doesn't feel right

Kimi Räikkönen And Antonio Giovinazzi To Race On With Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN In 2021

Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN will extend the relationship with Kimi Räikkönen and Antonio Giovinazzi to a third season as the driver pairing is confirmed for the team for the 2021 Formula One world championship.

The most experienced driver in the history of Formula One, Kimi Räikkönen will continue to bring his incredible mix of skill, racecraft and technical knowledge to the team for which, when it was competing as Sauber F1 team, he made his F1 debut in 2001. The 41-year-old Finn, World Champion in 2007, has demonstrated time and time again his commitment to the sport, not least by delivering stellar performances like in the opening stages of last week’s Portuguese Grand Prix, when he overtook ten cars in the space of one lap.

One of Formula One’s most popular drivers, with a loyal following spanning the breadth of the globe, Kimi does most of his talking on track – but also within the engineering office, where his technical feedback and impressive sensitivity have been a valuable contribution to the team over the last two seasons.

26-year-old Antonio Giovinazzi, who made his F1 debut with Sauber F1 Team with two stand-in appearances at the 2017 Australian and Chinese Grands Prix and was announced as driver for his first full season with the Hinwil team ahead of the 2019 campaign, will aim to continue on the path of improvement that has so far defined his first two years in the sport.

A widely liked character both within the team and in the paddock, Antonio has demonstrated maturity and adaptability to go with his innate skill. Following a debut season in which he established himself as a solid and dependable driver, the Martina Franca, Italy, native started 2020 with the right foot, scoring two precious points in the opening race of the season in Austria and adding a further top-ten finish at the Nürburgring. His contribution extended beyond the track, with a keen eye for technical details, a skill honed during his two years as test and simulator driver for Ferrari, providing some solid work for the team back at base.

This announcement highlights the team’s commitment to continuity, with Kimi and Antonio making up a solid and well-matched driver line-up that delivers a healthy mix of experience and youthful enthusiasm. The pairing gelled in with the team and each other from day one: the positive and open relationship between the drivers is visible not just trackside, but also in their hugely popular work with the team on social media, where Kimi and Antonio have quickly become fan favourites.

The announcement comes at a special time for the team, Kimi and Antonio. With Kimi having written his name in the history books with a new record number of race entries, 327, last week in Portugal (to go with the record number of starts he set at the Nürburgring), Antonio will become the first and only driver to race in three Formula One Grands Prix in his home country in the course of a season when he takes the start of the Emilia Romagna Grand Prix this weekend.

The team will also mark this occasion, as well as the renewal of its partnership with Alfa Romeo, by racing this weekend with a car emblazoned with the Italian flag as a tribute to the return of Imola to the F1 calendar, to Alfa Romeo’s 110th birthday and to the Italian fans.

Antonio Giovinazzi and Kimi Räikkönen (image courtesy Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN)

Kimi Räikkönen

“Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN is more than a team to me, it is like a second family. So many of the faces that were around me when I made my Formula One debut in 2001 are still here and the unique atmosphere of this team is what gives me that extra motivation to keep going in what will be my 19th season in the sport, next year. I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t believe in the team’s project and in what we feel we can achieve together. This is a team that values hard work over words and this fits well with my style: I am looking forward to next year and hopefully making some steps forward towards the front of the midfield with the team.”

Antonio Giovinazzi

“Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN has been my home in Formula One for the last two seasons and I am happy this relationship can continue for one more year. The team has put a lot of faith in me and I have done my best to repay this confidence with hard work and commitment: we have achieved some good results and I feel I have done my part to make the team progress, but the road ahead is still long and there is much more we want to achieve together. There will be a lot of continuity between this season and the next one, so everything we work on between now and the end of the year will already count for next, and we are ready to give it all we have.”

Frédéric Vasseur, Team Principal Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN and CEO Sauber Motorsport AG

“I am very pleased for the team to continue working with Kimi and Antonio for another season. Kimi is a driver who needs no introduction: his talent has been clear to everyone since 2001 and I still see the passion and motivation in him every time I see him at work. He can be trusted to deliver 100% of what the car can produce and he is a true leader for the people working around him. Antonio finished last year’s campaign strongly and he picked up where he left off and kept improving throughout 2020. From the track to the engineering briefings, Antonio has played a crucial role for our team and he has thoroughly deserved a new contract for 2021. His work ethic, commitment to the team and contagious enthusiasm are a huge asset for Alfa Romeo Racing ORLEN.”

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