transneutral: transitioning towards neutrality, sometimes used to mean transitioning towards anything unrelated from the binary

transoutherine: transitioning towards outherinity; transitioning towards qualities other than masc, fem, androgynous or neutral, or transitioning towards uncommon combinations of those 4 qualities

transaporine: transitioning towards a gender quality that is not masc, fem or anything in between while still being gendered

transmaverine: transitioning towards a quality associated with maveriques

transxenine: transitioning towards a quality associated with xenogender people

transagenrine: transitioning towards agenderness / genderlessness, or a quality associated with them

there are more similar gender qualities to transition to.

you can also make up your own or use vague terms like transmisc, transother, transneither.

and lastly, you can also just be trans without any sort of qualifier.

So….

What if i didnt trans into a fem, or a masc, and im not inbetween

Im not transfem or transmasc so what term can i use? /gen

could outhy be a term equivalent to boy, angi, neut, xip, hex etc for outherine? similar to outher/ouman

posting this for the outherine community to weigh in :)

do you accept vents?

yes!

interesting post and i relate a lot.

i used to identify as an mspec lesbian for a while (exclusionist fuck off!) and thus i was in inclusionist circles who were accepting of nonconforming lesbians. but even there i felt like there was such a pressure to be either fem or masc. like so much of it was like "you don't have to be feminine or a woman to be lesbian! masc and male lesbians are also valid!" it was all butches and femmes and maybe futches, but they're still both masc and fem. there wasn't much space for people who are fully disconnected from the binary but still felt connected to the lesbian label. it's what eventually severed that connection.

also i think that masc-aligned and fem-aligned are actually different from male- and female-aligned. many people align themselves with masculinity without aligning themselves with men, and the same goes for the "other" side. a lot of people are woman-aligned and masc-aligned, or man-aligned and fem-aligned together.

thankfully i've been seeing the terms less. maybe we are in different circles but i remember seeing these around way more like 5-6 years ago. every now and then i'll find an old achilles or something blog and they will have "men and male-aligned only" in their pinned and i'll remember that that was more of a thing at some point. a lot of it has been replaced by transmasc and transfem nowadays. we're just.. cycling through new ways to rebinarise nonbinary people every few years. anyone remember "male-bodied" and "female-bodied"? i think i just saw the tail end of that when i came out. all of it is spicy misgendering and a slightly spicier way of saying "there are only two genders".

"unaligned" is a term i still see a lot on tumblr, but it's usually thrown together with transmasc and transfem. where do nonbinary people fall who align more with their AGAB? probably don't exist to them.

Ramblings about fem/masc alignments and labels

So, to my understanding fem aligned reffers to female aligned genders and masc aligned refers to male aligned genders. (Personally, I really prefer to say men/women aligned). And I'm very confused when people, for some reason, use those labels to describe gender presentation? Gender identity and presentation are not the same

Another thing I'm seeing among the community is forcefully assigning those labels on people. Not all sapphics/lesbians are women aligned! I don't consider myself women aligned, and I would like to use the sapphic label without the feeling that I'm being misgendered. I'm not aligned to any binary gender. I know there is also trixic label that specifically describes nblw attraction, but that's not the point... This experience feels a bit lonely? There are nonbinary lesbians who also do not consider themselves women aligned

Sapphic label brought me comfort, and I don't wanna drop it tbh. But I'm feeling kinda forced to with the alignment thing that lots of people in the community are applying...

Also, side note that I feel pretty unwelcomed by the cis lesbians as a nonbinary individual-they are clinging to the whole female alignment way more trans ppl

Hrmm is this a place where I can ask questions? Im AMAB and I identify with the maverique label because as far as im concerned im exclusively xenic and my gender is not masc, fem, androgyne, or neutral. But I also feel like I am still a boy without being one. Im comfortable with male terms, I dont feel a disconnect to my AGAB, I sometimes still call myself a boy. But I dont really understand what being a boy is supposed to mean, I dont know how to be a boy, I just know how to be me. And me is an individual that can only use xenogenders to explain how I experience my gender. Im a boy, but Im not actually a boy, if you know what I mean. Am I like a demiboy? A masc enby? Am I a neoboy? I know I used to identify as a neoboy, but I guess ive shifted from that since it just felt like calling myself a boy with extra steps. Am I like a bigender male/enby? Or have I just internalized my identity as a boy since Im not out yet? Could it be that Im just purely abinary, but I still feel connected to my AGAB since all of those years identifying as it? Could it be that Im not maverique, but another kind of abinary/aporagender? Sorry for sending a long ask, Im just confused and I need advice.

hi!

to get the easiest part out of the way first: if you're exclusively xenic, you're probably not maverique as maverique is usually understood to be separate from xenogender. i'm not 100% sure where aporagender stands in this regard. but either way, both abinary and xenic or xenogender are good words.

if you do feel exclusively xenic, there might be other reasons you feel connected to the word boy other than actual boyhood, like you said.

some people do feel a connection to their AGAB due to how they were raised. or sometimes thinking of yourself as your AGAB might just be out of habit. it's quite common for people early in their journey to still think of and call themselves by their AGAB because that's what they're used to.

also, sometimes abinary people may not necessarily feel disconnected from their AGAB but might also just feel indifferent to it.

it could also be a case of just.. vibing with the word boy. it's somewhat common for people to like certain gendered terms without actually being the gender associated with those terms.

though there are also ways to be both xenogender/abinary and a boy, like you have pointed out. there's the term xenoboy, which describes a xenic/xenogender boyhood. there's also nymboy which describes a boyhood that is disconnected from the binary.

i'd recommend trying out some terms, even if just online if you can't come out yet. see how being called a boy or an abinary boy or something similar feels in an affirming environment. compare it to just abinary or xenogender. does being called a boy feel good, does it feel right? or if it doesn't feel horrible, maybe it just feels "meh?" sometimes it's not about what you feel disconnected from but rather than what you feel connected to in terms of gender. does just being called abinary or xenogender feel different from being called an abinary or xenogender boy? these are all questions you might ask yourself. and if you come to the conclusion that you feel "meh" about boy but euphoric about abinary or xenogender, you may not be a boy, but at the end of the day, only you can answer that question.

I've been questioning my gender for a while and I think I'm pretty close to an answer with aporagender and maverique. But I'm unsure of which label to use because of my overall experience with gender and my alterhumanity. I feel connected to womanhood but only because of my nonhuman identity, which I think is a xenic experience. And I'm not really sure what neutrality is supposed to mean in the context of maverique when neutral can already mean not being male, female, or anything inbetween. Overall I think I'm most comfortable with the word maverique, but I don't really want to use it if I don't actually match the definition. Any help would be appreciated! /nf

hi!

regarding neutrality, i recommend this post, which i found helpful for my own understanding. it's totally okay to just go by aporagender and not exactly knowing how or if you relate to neutrality, since aporagender already includes maverique and neutrality, as well as some other experiences.

what do you mean by "connection to womanhood"? do you mean that your actual gender is connected to womanhood (as in, nonbinary woman or similar identities), or that womanhood simply affects you in some way?

this may not be very well phrased, but what i'm getting at is that it's possible to be maverique and have a connection to womanhood. you could be multigender and be both a maverique and a woman, you could be demimaverique with the other part being womanhood, you could be a maverique in a uniquely female way or you could be a woman in a uniquely maverique way. the definition of maverique is one thing, but people and gender are complex, and many people bend the definitions of terms because a term simply feels the most right to them.

it's also possible to have a connection to womanhood as a maverique through personal experience or alignment. maybe you just feel most aligned with women. maybe you're transfeminine and feel connected to trans women. maybe you were raised as a girl and feel connection to womanhood for that reason. i'm actually myself a maverique who was raised as a girl and while my actual gender has nothing to do with womanhood, that experience of living most of my life as female has influenced my life, leaving an involuntary connection to women. i can deny my birth gender assignment all i want but it's still there.

i'm not personally alterhuman so i have no idea what that experience is like, but from that description it almost sounds like "womanhood by proxy" (of your alterhumanity), so it's really up to you how you want to define your connection to womanhood and your gender as a whole.

if the word maverique feels right to you, it's yours to use. you most likely would not feel connected to the word if it didn't describe your experience at all. when i came across the words maverique and aporagender at the same time, i did not fully understand the difference but immediately knew maverique was it, simply because the word is cool, even though aporagender technically applies too.

also, it's okay if you end up changing your mind or realise it's not for you. it's okay if your maverique experience isn't "purely maverique, monogender, static gender". over at @themaveriqueagenda, i see a lot of maveriques with more complex experiences of maverique-ness.

Atrinary symbols created by me for those who would like them! (And also for anon.)

- 💙💚

wait, being afab and trans means i'm transmasculine? i'm sorry, i had no idea. i unsubscribed from the gender binary 7 years ago, i no longer get updates

let's talk about anti-xenogender bigotry, as it often reveals a lot of how people see gender, and especially nonbinary gender.

this post in particular is inspired by a reddit post i found by accident when i just wanted to download the xenogender flag (lol).

the post was shared by a trans woman who claimed that xenogenders aren't genders and thus not valid. she made sure though to say that she totally supports nonbinary people.

her first point on why xenogenders don't exist was that how valid a gender is is determined by its societal support, and since xenogenders are only supported in "fringe extremist "trans" spaces", they aren't real.

firstly, interesting that any trans person who supports xenogender people gets their trans card revoked. we're no longer trans, we're "trans".

secondly, hinging the validity of a gender on the amount of social support it has directly contradicts with her supposed support of nonbinary people. maybe she happens to live in the most nonbinary-friendly place ever, but overall, the very concept of nonbinary gender does not have a lot of societal support. so, according to her logic, nonbinary people are inherently less valid than binary people. some might even say that only fringe extremist "trans" spaces support nonbinary people. and, while trans itself is not a gender, if we add gender modality to the mix, then binary trans people don't exactly have massive societal support either. as a trans woman, does she consider her womanhood less valid than cis women's? basing the validity of a gender on societal support doesn't make any sense because there actually isn't a single monolithic society, and the societies that have historically recognised and celebrated more than two genders have been forcibly binarised by white european colonisers. did nonbinary gender become less valid over time and now it's slowly gaining validity as support for us is slowly growing? none of her logic in this makes sense. her rhetoric is inherently exorsexist and binarist, not just against xenogenders but basically against any nonbinary gender which she claims to support, and against cultural genders too.

the "societal support" argument completely falls apart because it means that every marginalised identity of any kind is inherently less valid and less real. she's revealing her bigotry here: it's not really about societal support, it's about which genders she arbitrarily decides are real and valid.

her second argument why xenogenders are not real was that any gender that exists outside of a triangle of male, female and genderless doesn't exist. you can only slide between those, like being hallway between male and genderless or in the middle of all three, but not outside. this is the classic gender trinary of male/female/agender and it's how i used to see gender as a baby enby.

firstly, gender isn't bound to whatever spectrum you personally decide is acceptable. there are many ways to be outside of that triangle besides xenogenderness. this logic basically says that the only valid way to be abinary is to be agender. not even abinary men or women exist in that logic, since the concept of abinary doesn't exist besides agenderness.

so, how can someone say she supports nonbinary people while saying a whole lot of us aren't real, even the ones who aren't xenogender, simply because she, as a binary person, thinks she has the right to decide what the gender spectrum looks like and whose gender is real and whose isn't?

all her points on why xenogenders aren't real also apply to multiple or all nonbinary genders. especially coming from a binary person, it reveals a huge ignorance to the nonbinary experience as well as a very narrow view of gender.

we're all in this together. clearly, exorsexists can't tell the difference between someone who is xenogender or someone who is, for example, ilyagender, or maybe even someone who happens to be within that gender triangle but within that have a gender that is not socially supported, like proxvir.

this is all the more reason for all of us nonbinary people to stick together and not draw lines in the sand about which nonbinary gender is valid and acceptable. if something harms one of us, they always end up harming all of us in some way. we're in this together.

Do you happen to have/know of an atrinary symbol?

~🔷🌟

i see that @your-bigender-big-brother has already answered your question, but i'm still giving it to the community in case anyone else also knows one! i personally don't.

*technically not an "-ine" term but you know what i mean.

TRANSNEUTRAL LESBIANS REBLOG IF YOU AGREE

shout out to transneutral lesbians! you are cool n valid!

if you have nonbinary friends , please ask them what their personal gender looks like to them before assigning your idea of nonbinary to them . not all nonbinary people use they/them , not all nonbinary people are gender neutral , not all nonbinary people are genderless , not all nonbinary people are androgynous , some people under the nonbinary umbrella dont even call themselves nonbinary . the whole thing about nonbinary is that its not a set thing . it's not another box , its a placeholder for a billion unique experiences

Hm. i'm curious now. abinary people with genders who use they/them pronouns: do they feel gendered to you?

and if not, why do they feel affirming?

i feel like there are two kinds of they/them pronouns: the sort of anonymous they you use when you don't know someone's pronouns or for sn entirely hypothetical person, and the they/them that is especially used for many nonbinary people. this is why they/them feels distinctly gendered to me as a maverique and why i object to the idea that they/them pronouns are always or inherently non-gendered, especially with the now common association of they/them pronouns with nonbinary people. in a way, when it comes to nonbinary people with genders, they/them now kind of have a gendered association apart from the binary.

and genderless people who use they/them pronouns kind of fall in between that, where it's not really anonymous because you're using it for a specific person whose pronouns you know, while still taking from the anonymous and non-gendered idea.

it's kind of like a lot of old neopronouns that were created to describe people of any gender but are now largely associated with nonbinary people.

it's also similar to how there are two kinds of "neutral" when it comes to gender: neutral as an inclusive category, or one that lacks association with a specific gender, of language, space, communities etc (more often called gender neutral) and neutral as a specific gendered quality.

so both they/them and neopronouns kind of started out as gender neutral but are now very often associated with nonbinary people, be they neutral, genderless or something else, with they/them having that second "anonymous" usage that old neopronouns were coined for but never picked up for.

they/them pronouns are literally schrödinger's gender.

hey maveriques and allies!

the 31st may has been declared maverique visibility day a while ago as that was when maverique was first coined.

the 31st may 2024 is the 10-year anniversary of the coining of maverique.

i feel like this might be a great opportunity for us and our allies to do something to increase visibility of and awareness for maveriques.

i already have a vague plan for a maverique episode on my podcast and i will post something on my instagram as well.

if anyone else has ideas about what we can do as a community, hit me up!

it's time for us to finally move past only being featured as an obscure nonbinary identity, together. it's time for us to be known.

*technically not an "-ine" term but you know what i mean.