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I really could never transition to atla tumblr because aang is my favorite character and i could not deal with the way some of you freaks talk about him. It’s like yall forget he’s a 12 year old genocide survivor who has the literal weight of the world on him.
and it really pisses me off cuz it’s always those shippers at the scene of the crime and that’s why generally ppl dont like you bitches. You cant simply like your wack ass ship instead you have to paint aang out to be this violent evil predator....just weird
aang being my favorite since 2008 and then in 2024 i searched his name on tumblr the first thing i found out was a giant ass zutara opinion on how he is the patriarch emulated and this is my villain story
What show you all are watching?? How can grown ass people (GROWN ASS PEOPLE) watch a cartoon for kids and saying crazy things like this?
Insane behavior
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Shit in the atla fandom we need to talk about more
Azula is a victim of abuse just like zuko and deserved better than what happend in the comics (she's younger than zuko and was groomed by her father)
Aang is not one dementional, he's not all sunshine and rainbows, hes not all naïve
Iroh, we can always talk more about iroh, lets never stop talking about him
Holy fucking shit these young teenagers and kids were masters. Toph is 12 she is a master before we even meet here, aang is (1)12 he is a master before we meet him. Katara is 14 she is a master. Azula is 14 she is a master. Zuko is a master at 16. What the fuck did they feed these kids. What were you doing when you were 16? Huh?
Kyoshi was 230? When she died?????? Wtf? She was "taught" Immortality? And she probably just decided to die? Ig? Wtf
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"Katara deserves better" yeah she deserves better than zuko/zutara fanbase, FREE HER
"Katara is Aang's trophy wife"
"Katara is Aang's incubator"
"Katara and Aang are never equals!"
"Only Zuko cared for Katara"
"Katara is forced to deal with everyone's, ESPECIALLY aangs, emotinal turmoils"
"Katara is the gaang mother"
"Kataang is forced"
"Katara had to deal with Aang’s problems but Zuko came along who could deal with his own and saved her"
Zutaras are basically the same dumb bitches telling each other "EXACTLYYYY"
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“Someone will remember us, I say,”
“Even in another time.”
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The Southern Raiders
Been meaning to make my own post about this episode for a while now, so hear it is. The main thing I hear about this episode is that Aang didn't understand Katara's pain at all but Zuko did. The notion that a genocide survivor doesn't understand another genocide survivor is certainly one hell of a take, and it's very stupid. Are we really going to forget the air nomad genocide?
Aang lost EVERYTHING because of the war. And to make it worse? He feels guilty because he wasn't there to stop it from happening (even though he wouldn't be able to do much since he hadn't mastered the four elements yet) because he ran away from his duties as the avatar. When Aang finds Monk Gyatso's body in the Southern Air Temple episode, he's overcome with so much grief and anger that he triggers the avatar state:
Katara herself even compares what she's been through to what Aang was feeling in this moment by saying "I know how hard it is to lose the people you love! I went through the same thing when I lost my mom." Certainly sounds like two people who understand each other perfectly if you ask me. Also, in the Lost Adventures comics, we're shown that the Fire Nation used a dirty tactic to smoke out any other airbenders that might have escaped from the genocide.
We see how happy Aang was to learn that some airbenders may have survived, only to find out that it was all a lie to capture any remaining survivors. At the end of the comic he looks disappointed and crushed knowing that the possibility that air nomads fell for this trick and were killed as a result.
A lot of people take Katara saying "I knew you wouldn't understand" to Aang as her saying that he doesn't understand her pain, but if you actually look at the context? That's not what she's saying at all. What she means is that she knew that Aang wouldn't understand her need for VENGEANCE. For her desire to kill her mother's killer. Because Aang was taught that revenge isn't the answer. Even though Aang absolutely understands how she felt, something that he says himself:
In both of those moments he felt extreme anger and hatred, both strong negative feelings that would have caused him to lash out and do something that he would regret later on. Who stops him in both cases? Katara. She calms him down (and can I just say that I think it's really poetic that in this specific episode, Aang's words are what calms Katara down in the end, and is why she decided to spare Yohn Rha?) in his moments of rage, something that he's grateful for.
Another argument that I've seen is that Zuko understands her pain more than Aang because he also lost his mother. While I can see why people make this comparison, those are two entirely different situations. Ursa was banished because she protected Zuko from being killed when he was a child. Which means that she's still alive (as we later find out from those horrible comics). Kya, on the other hand, was KILLED because she protected Katara by saying that she was the waterbender that they were looking for. This happened in a genocidal raid by the Fire Nation. Safe to say that Zuko can never understand what that feels.
Also, it's pretty crazy to me how people can say that Aang was wrong in this episode, when Zuko HIMSELF says that Aang was actually right, and that what Katara needed in the end was revenge. Aang knows Katara a lot better than Zuko does, and he knows that killing the man who killed her mom would have absolutely destroyed Katara because of the kind of person she is. Just like Aang remembering how he killed all of those Fire Nation soldiers in the North Pole while he was in the avatar state and being controlled by his past lives and the ocean spirit caused him to have nightmares and be terrified of what the avatar state can do. Both of them are alike in that regard. The closest thing I can say that Zuko understands about Katara is her anger. Boy spent 3 seasons being angry so he definitely understands that. But other than that? He doesn't understand her, which is to be expected since he just joined them a few episodes ago, and spent a whole year chasing them and trying to capture Aang. So he's just started getting to really know everyone on a personal level. In conclusion, Aang did indeed understand Katara, and his words were exactly what she needed to hear.
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This post would have been interesting if it wasn't the classic "pro zuko" bias post, while as usual aang and sokka get demonized and mischaracterized.
And yes, Zuko didn’t help Katara because he wanted to heal her. He helped her because he was trying to get on her good side (she was the only one not to forgive him yet). Zuko was selfish in this episode.
In the end Zuko tells Aang that he was right about what Katara needed. Just a friendly reminder
Use the anti aang and anti sokka tags at least.
I hate the way people treat Katara in The Southern Raiders.
The way that people put Aang on a pedestal of someone who can do no wrong makes me hate discussing the show with ATLA fans. I like Aang, but he isn’t the morally good character that he says he is and the fans only prove this.
In TSR, Katara is given the opportunity by Zuko to get revenge against the man who killed her mother.
First I want to start off with Katara’s exchange with Sokka.
Katara asks Aang for Appa to go on the journey with Zuko, he tries to persuade her otherwise and then Sokka tells Katara, “Katara, she was my mother too but I think Aang is right”.
And so Katara says the infamous line, “Well you didn’t love her the way I did.”
This is when people go insane but what Katara’s says is somewhat reasonable. Katara and Sokka have different versions of love for their mother, you can be siblings but still love your parents differently from your sibling. People also never put in perspective that Katara has the view of a child with survivors guilt while Sokka is able to move on from his mother’s death because he is a kid who understands war. From a young child, even in TSR episode, it shows him wanting to fight back against the Fire Nation and him wanting to be involved in the war between his people and the Fire Nation. I also believe that Sokka does feel sorrow for Yue’s death, but isn’t hung up on it like Katara is with their mothers death because he understands that at the end of the day, Yue’s sacrifice was her duty and a product of war. Their mother’s death was an outcome of war.
I love Sokka, but when he says this line:
He’s dismissing her feelings. It’s like he’s saying, “We both lost our mother, but because I don’t want revenge, you shouldn’t either” which isn’t fair to Katara at all. Ofc I don’t believe Sokka meant for it to come out like that but that’s what it sounded like.
But you can also use the fact that Sokka grew up in a sort of toxic masculinity mentality. You can also use the fact that Sokka held his emotions in too about their mother’s death and that was also damaging to him. Which is true, I could support that too.
And my response to that is that you shouldn’t force others to grieve how you grieve.
Katara can’t just forgive Yon Rha like Aang can when it comes to the genocide of his people because they are fundamentally different people with different backgrounds and settings.
Obviously they don’t force Katara to stay on the island and not go on the quest, but they do admonish her and compare her to Jet (which is a lil finicky because Jet did do bad things but also changed towards the end of his life to do good and also help the gang) which is demeaning to who she is. She even defends herself by saying she isn’t like Jet, she isn’t attacking an innocent person, she’s attacking the man who led the raids against her people and killed her mother.
This brings me to my gripe with Aang in this episode and previous episodes. I can’t recall a single episode where Aang acknowledges what happens to her and comforts her. It’s always Katara comforting Aang when he is emotionally distressed. When he learned about the death of his people, when Appa was taken, and when he was questioning his honor of being the Avatar. It’s always Katara comforting him but it’s never really reciprocated back to her.
In this scene, Aang tells Katara that she should forgive Yon Rha and she says, “I knew you wouldn’t understand.”
Because Aang never tries to. It’s either his way or no way. Aang is a pacifist and I respect that, Aang wants to preserve the culture of his people and I also respect that. However, Katara doesn’t have the same views as him. Katara never stated to be a pacifist, Katara never stated to believe in the views of the Air Nomads, so obviously there would be a disconnect between the two of them because they grew up with a different culture and different world views. They also grew up in the different times, Aang grew up in peace while Katara was born during a war.
It’s honestly disingenuous to ask Katara to forgive the man who killed her mother, just because Aang can forgive the fire nation for their atrocities to his people, doesn’t mean she can too. People grieve differently. Katara outburst was bound to happen because no one in the group ever acknowledges her pain. Only person who does is Zuko and although people like to call him a manipulator, he isn’t. He realized that Katara’s hatred for Yon Rha was being directed at him because he is a personification of the Fire Nation in her image. So he stops, learns about what happened, and tries to understand her pain.
It’s also extremely hypocritical for people to get mad at Katara for her outburst against Sokka when Aang yelled at Toph when she chose to save them over saving Appa from the Sandbenders.
People even defend it by saying
Can’t that be the same thing said for Katara?
Also, Aang never apologizes to Toph about his outburst btw. He even yells at the rest of the gang later on during the desert and also yells at Katara, “claiming that she isn’t helping” when she is the only one keeping the group together.
What also gets me is how no one realized that Katara wasn’t going to kill Yon Rha. After rewatching the series a bit, Katara was never going to kill that man. It’s not in her character to and this episode tests her character and makes her better for it.
And the lessons of the episode isn’t “revenge isn’t the way” or smth similar to that, if anything, it’s the fact that you don’t have to forgive your abusers. It’s shown through Zuko, Aang, and Katara. Zuko doesn’t enact revenge against Ozai but he also doesn’t forgive him. Aang has the right to kill Ozai for the death of his people and for the war, but doesn’t. Aang never forgave him though. And most importantly is Katara, she can’t bring herself to kill Yon Rha but at the end of the episode she tells Aang that she can’t forgive him. Aang was wrong, forgiveness can be impossible.
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Here's kataang art dump. Reprise.
P.S. don't ask me why I handed Katara what looks suspiciously like an electric trimmer.
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ah yes i'm still reading nonsense in the atla tags
calling mai a “toxic” and “bad” girlfriend and aang "abusive/misogynist" but gushing over zuko tying katara to a tree and bargaining her dead mothers necklace.
interesting.
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Notice how THEY are misogynist toward Katara
Baby-making factory fucking disgusting
ah yes i'm still reading nonsense in the atla tags
calling mai a “toxic” and “bad” girlfriend and aang "abusive/misogynist" but gushing over zuko tying katara to a tree and bargaining her dead mothers necklace.
interesting.
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ah yes i'm still reading nonsense in the atla tags
calling mai a “toxic” and “bad” girlfriend and aang "abusive/misogynist" but gushing over zuko tying katara to a tree and bargaining her dead mothers necklace.
interesting.
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The Performer 🎭🎶 A character class for The Hidden Isle.
You can preorder the TTRPG here
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Do you think Toothless ever grumbles and is sarcastic in his internal monologue and then goes: "Great. I must be exhausted I'm starting to sound like Hiccup."
Hiccup building a gadget in the forge two meters away: "Did you just make fun of me?"
Toothless grumbling about how it's a long time past midnight and they should be asleep, can't Hiccup tinker in the morning or something
Hiccup: "No one is forcing you to be here, Toothless."
Toothless howls at the other and glares. Hiccup glares back. They're having a glaring contest at two in the morning.
Moments later, Berk's heir is being dragged back to the hut by his sleeve by a dark creature that almost blends into the shadows save for annoyed vivid green eyes as the boy argues with the Unholy Offspring of Lightning and Death Itself in hushed grumbles.
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if there was a list of people katara saw as romantic interests aang would be at the top and zuko wouldnt even be at the bottom
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“can’t we just respect each other??” stop calling Aang an abuser toward his wife and kids by using his status as the sole survivor of a genocide to do so and then maybe we will consider it 🗿🍷 but until that happens I think not, because I don’t have to respect someone like that <3 hope this helps
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