Nah, I read and processed your weasel words just fine.

Just because your sentiment is targeted towards jews zionists does not mean that its not repackaged right wing talking points and bigotry.

Putting a cut off date for jews indigenousness at its core is still anti indigenous folk and putting a cut off date for an indigenous group regardless if it's targeted towards jews.

Calling jews colonizers for trying to rebuild their nation on land that was stolen from them is at its core anti land back movements.

Claiming that openly queer jews are "pink washing" is at its core queerphobic as you want queers you don't like to be silent or hidden away.

Claiming that jews are inherently white is at its core erasing and invalidating poc who do not fit your idea of what poc should be/look like.

Indigenatity is vague concept as it can mean two separate things, as I have seen from some indigenous folks it seems the difference between being simply native and being indigenous only comes if one group is colonized towards the removal from their land. Now weather or not we want to say Jews fit this requirement that doesn't naturally conclude the point after

Let’s see, does being invaded by Rome and forcibly removed from it (and carted off to various parts of the Roman Empire, mostly as slaves) count?

Y’all act like because something pre-dates having a word for colonialism, it doesn’t count.

Here’s the thing: I am an anti-Zionist Jew. I think the way the modern state of Israel was founded was the wrong way for Jews to go back to our hereditary homeland, and that land can be a homeland for more than one group. (Unlike gentiles, who seem largely unable to do anti-Zionism without going straight to blood libel and Khazar theory, Jewish anti-Zionism, like Jewish Zionism, is a pretty wide spectrum of views. I believe in our right to live in Israel, and I believe in our right to self-determination. Which is different from thinking the founding of the current state was legitimate or ethical.)

But the idea that Jews aren’t indigenous to Israel—the tacit claim that if you forcibly remove a people from their land and keep them away from it long enough, they lose any right to live there—is itself colonial logic.

Just because your sentiment is targeted towards jews zionists does not mean that its not repackaged right wing talking points and bigotry.

Putting a cut off date for jews indigenousness at its core is still anti indigenous folk and putting a cut off date for an indigenous group regardless if it's targeted towards jews.

Calling jews colonizers for trying to rebuild their nation on land that was stolen from them is at its core anti land back movements.

Claiming that openly queer jews are "pink washing" is at its core queerphobic as you want queers you don't like to be silent or hidden away.

Claiming that jews are inherently white is at its core erasing and invalidating poc who do not fit your idea of what poc should be/look like.

I can’t get over how the students at Columbia screamed “Go back to Poland” to American Jews. Not even Israelis (though that wouldn’t be okay either). American fucking Jews.

Way to tell me that you don’t want me in your country and think my family and I would be better off dead. You’re such an activist, gleefully screaming for the ethnic cleansing of your country’s own populations.

Get absolutely fucked, you monsters.

Saw this the other day and just

I've never once found Yoshke relatable before but there's a first time for everything I guess

For those who missed it, a Jewish man was threatened with arrest in London this weekend for being "openly Jewish" (that's a quote form the policeman who stopped him) while being near a pro-palestinian protest. He was then abused and harassed by protestors. The policeman said that the man's presence could lead to a "breach of the peace"

The police proceeded to release the most victim blamey apology I've ever seen - one so bad that they then had to withdraw it and issue a second apology

The original apology talks about a "new trend of those opposed to the main protests appearing alongside the route to express their views", and "knowing their presence is provocative".

The guy the police stopped was literally walking in London post shul. Not on a counter demonstration, not on a free the hostages demo, or a pro Israel demo. He was just there, and wearing a kippah.

Like I'm sorry but saying Jews being obviously Jewish is causing a breach of the peace when near a pro-palestinian protest makes it very clear that the police know that these are not actually peaceful.

I'm sure a huge number of people on these demos are not actually antisemites and have no intention to harm Jews, however herd mentality can make even the most reasonable person into a bigot, and frankly if people are afraid to stand against the antisemites, it shows that they now how dangerous the people around them are - so WHY are they still there?

When we talk about how neo-Nazis are co-opting support for Palestinians…

I don't really see people talking about how cultural Christianity is applied to Jews.

In Christianity, Jews are the people who rejected and betrayed Jesus and are punished with statelessness and destitution, whose only redemption is accepting the Messiah and the Son of God. This is the basis of several antisemitic tropes, most prominently deception, religious supercessionism and the Wandering Jew.

In cultural Christianity, these tropes are considered tenants of Judaism rather than Christianity, as Judaism is considered Christianity without Jesus.

Christians see themselves as tortured saints, persecuted for spreading the truth of Jesus and God across the globe. Missionaries who go to non-Christian lands to try and get the people to convert by fearmongering with damnation to Hell see themselves as victims when they're rebuffed and asked to stop.

Cultural Christian non-Christians are usually atheists and adherents of folk religion revivalist movements who have suffered religious abuse, as many sects of Christianity normalize emotional abuse by instilling inherent guilt in the Original Sin and even physical abuse in "Spare the rod; spoil the child". These cultural Christians see the millennia of antisemitism and roll their eyes, to them we're just another sect of delusional religious people with a persecution complex.

To become a Christian all you need to do is accept the Father Son and Holy Spirit, to affirm your beliefs and confess your sins. To become a Jew you are either born a Jew, or you learn the Jewish culture and religion for months on end and must live half a year under the strictest restrictions of the Jewish lifestyle to show commitment. That is the difference between a universal religion and an ethnoreligion.

In a Culturally Christian world there is no room for ethnoreligions, and they do not exist. All religions are about your faith and which God(s) you believe in. So in a Cultural Christian's eyes, a country of Jews is a country that holds one faith supreme above all others and conditions rights with conversion, as that's how Christian countries have historically been.

Christianity's common ground with Jews comes from the Roman Empire appropriating the religion from the Cult of Jesus, and making it more appealing to the masses by introducing Greco-Roman and Germanic folk religion aspects into it. Xmas is Yule but with Jesus, Easter is a fertility holiday but with Jesus and so on. In the eyes of the Cultural Christian, Christianity and Judaism are two once-antagonistic sects of the same religion, no different than Catholics and Protestants.

Cultural Christianity erases and appropriates Judaism and is as inherently hateful of Jews as religious Christianity.

Now, when it comes to the elephant in the room: Islam.

Islam, like Christianity, is a universal religion. You must believe in Allah and accept the prophets, which include both Jesus and Muhammad. It is no more inherently violent than Christianity, though it's no less. In the Christian's eyes, Islam is the competitor, the enemy. The Muslims conquered Christian lands and converted them, and they've fought holy wars against one another throughout the Middle Ages.

To become a Muslim the Cultural Christian doesn't need to unlearn any of the core tenets of their culture. They can simply apply it to Islam.

Which is why many Cultural Christians, damaged by Christianity, are sympathetic to Islam. And since Muslims and Jews are no longer on good terms, they use this sympathy to give themselves a free pass to be antisemitic. Whether Muslims check their converts for bigotry, allow it or are powerless to stop them, that's another issue.

Jews are not diet Christians. We have less in common with you than you have with Muslims. Unlearn Christian cultural appropriation.

And no, I don't care that it's "offensive" to associate you with Christianity due to the religious abuse you endured. You still see the world through a Christian lens.

i really wish…i can share the warmth i feel when i’m at synagogue with other people at the least i want non-jews to hear our worship and how beautiful it is i think it would change a lot

The biggest stumbling block for Christians (practicing and cultural/former) in regards to understanding Jews seems to be this weird inability to understand that it’s possible to love a text and take it seriously and still have a playful relationship to it.

Like, they don’t understand play at ALL.

"lol jews find so many loopholes in their own religion they must hate being jewish" damn just say you're uncreative and have never examined your own religious texts further than the exact words written down on the paper. just say you take everything at face value and you never enjoy reading between the lines to gain a new understanding of something. it's ok, we all see it already

The masks are coming off hard.

The Star of David isn’t a symbol of the modern State of Israel. It’s on Israel’s flag because it’s a symbol of the Jewish people.

you were asking to be called a zio. Don't wear a star of david if you can't handle it.

This one sounds kinda familiar I wonder where I've heard it before?

Oh that's right! "Women don't dress in a revealing way or else you're asking to be SA'd/raped"

The thing is, with both how you dress and wearing a magen david, it's not the wearer who made the decision to be harmed, it was the perpetrator who decided to take the action of harm.

Whilst dressing not revealing and not wearing a magen david do prevent experience harm, do you not think that the burden should fall on the person doing the harm? Do you not think that as a society we should be moving towards not shaming victims and instead punishing perpetrators?

Also - I can handle it. I was making a post about an experience to prove a point

Okay, but “find the country on an unlabeled map” and “understand issues currently affecting it” have been shown time and time again to be an inaccurate (and highly ableist!) method of evaluating understanding of current events, so I’m pretty uncomfortable with using this anecdote to symbolize anything.

And if Boomers going down the Qanon rabbit hole have shown us anything, it’s also not tied specifically to youth.

"The Left is no longer safe, and the Right never was."

I see this sentiment often from progressive Jews (so most of us in some way). Let me be very clear. The left was never safe either.

Do you think that so many people were radicalized overnight? That on the early morning of October 7, leftists across the West opened their phones and in that moment became antisemites, able to fall for the clearest of propaganda and simultaneously cheer on and deny Jewish suffering?

The left was always capable of this. They only began to clearly enunciate how bloodthirsty and how fundamentalist they were out loud when the right minority was targeted. Their exception, so they can still enjoy the luxury of ganging up on an 'underdog' usually reserved for the right.

October 7th could have been last January 7th. It could have been in 2018. It could have been in 2006 if social media algorithms were as developed, and would have had the same response.

The left has never been safe. They've just been easier to ignore.

"The Left is no longer safe, and the Right never was."

I see this sentiment often from progressive Jews (so most of us in some way). Let me be very clear. The left was never safe either.

Do you think that so many people were radicalized overnight? That on the early morning of October 7, leftists across the West opened their phones and in that moment became antisemites, able to fall for the clearest of propaganda and simultaneously cheer on and deny Jewish suffering?

The left was always capable of this. They only began to clearly enunciate how bloodthirsty and how fundamentalist they were out loud when the right minority was targeted. Their exception, so they can still enjoy the luxury of ganging up on an 'underdog' usually reserved for the right.

October 7th could have been last January 7th. It could have been in 2018. It could have been in 2006 if social media algorithms were as developed, and would have had the same response.

The left has never been safe. They've just been easier to ignore.

Nah. Conservatives always wanted the same things Trumpists want. Reagan and his ilk just didn’t feel empowered, in the wake of the civil rights era, to be as open in their violent white supremacy.

So they used “polite” language to build a world in which they could feel comfortable saying it out loud.

I have issues with very real antisemitism on the left, but don’t you dare pretend cops beating Black kids to death for breathing and most conservatives cheering them on and the rest of y’all who “lean conservative” Homer Simpsoning quietly into the nearest bushes so you don’t have to say out loud whether you agree or disagree was somehow a reaction to the left yelling at you.

Don’t you dare pretend that Charlottesville and Tree of Life and Poway were just that you were forced to become neo-Nazis because some kids on the internet called you Nazis.

Miss me with this bullshit.

It’s still the right that kills Jews in the US, that forces your disgusting misogyny and queerphobia and oligarchy on us.

As I keep saying, the Right will succeed in killing Jews, and the Left will explain why we deserved it, but don’t mistake that for those two things being equal harm.

"The Left is no longer safe, and the Right never was."

I see this sentiment often from progressive Jews (so most of us in some way). Let me be very clear. The left was never safe either.

Do you think that so many people were radicalized overnight? That on the early morning of October 7, leftists across the West opened their phones and in that moment became antisemites, able to fall for the clearest of propaganda and simultaneously cheer on and deny Jewish suffering?

The left was always capable of this. They only began to clearly enunciate how bloodthirsty and how fundamentalist they were out loud when the right minority was targeted. Their exception, so they can still enjoy the luxury of ganging up on an 'underdog' usually reserved for the right.

October 7th could have been last January 7th. It could have been in 2018. It could have been in 2006 if social media algorithms were as developed, and would have had the same response.

The left has never been safe. They've just been easier to ignore.

people are really out here confusing “hearing about this made me feel feelings” with “I care about this cause”

American culture actively works to stunt our relationship to our own emotions so much that we don’t understand activism or even investment

Oh my god, once again reminding people that Jews in the SWANA region being scared of being murdered if Israel is dismantled are not comparable to white Americans and Canadians being scared of indigenous sovereignty. The entire world, and that includes Muslim countries, has a very very long history of violently expelling and brutally murdering its Jewish communities; Israel itself has many, many refugees and descendents of refugees from other countries in Asia and Africa, countries that do not want those people back.

The comparison to white North Americans is absurd, cruel, and ahistorical; the claim that Jewish people lived in happiness and peace and safety in SWANA countries before Israel's founding is a complete fabrication and blatant victim blaming. Many of the countries surrounding Israel and throughout the SWANA region have Jewish populations that can literally be counted on one hand and that isn't because people just abandoned their homes and friends and communities to move to Israel for funsies, it's because many of them were brutally murdered or expelled from their homes, with the rest fleeing out of fear for when they would be next.

I am saying this as a Native person who is 100% in favor of indigenous sovereignty in my home country and who is fully against the treatment of Palestinians by the Israeli government. If you cannot acknowledge how antisemitism is still very much alive and an active danger to Jewish people all across the world and how many people fled to Israel specifically to escape violence, then you really cannot have any sort of meaningful conversation about Israel.

Yeah so I need to learn to just stop going on Twitter but this specific tweet pisses me off

Fuck you

Anyone who believes this? Fuck you

This is literally Nazi rhetoric. You are saying that Jews will just kill anything they can, because they want to, because they want to rule the world

THIS IS LITERAL NAZI TALKING POINTS

"the Jews won't stop at Palestine!!! They're gonna go attack some place else, just because they can, because they're EVILLL!! It's not enough to just free Palestine, we must have a *final solution* so the world will be free of evil!!!!"

Actually fuck anyone who believes this

"punch Nazis" YEAH RIGHT

You're the fucking Nazis and yet you act like you still care about Jews

I would feel safer around a proud Hamas member.

I mean, dehumanizing anyone is also bad because it divides the world into Evil People I Am Nothing Like and Good People Who Would Never Do Anything Like That which… isn’t great for self-awareness and understanding the ways in which you may be complicit in harm without recognizing it.

It’s what leads to the reaction that accusing someone of being antisemitic/racist/misogynist/etc. is a worse harm than saying or doing something antisemitic/racist/misogynist/etc.

Some common leftist beliefs

I've been seeing some peculiar beliefs in leftist spaces recently.

• Nazis are literally subhuman and deserve to die.

• Zionism is a Nazi movement

• All Jews are secretly zionists

To an outside observer, these beliefs can look innocent (I am far too guilty of number 1, honestly) but the problem is a lot of people believe all three. By the transitive property, they believe that all Jews are subhuman and deserve to die. That is a very familiar and terrifying sentiment to us Jews.

Be careful dehumanizing literally anyone. Once you accept that Nazis, or pedophiles, or other evil people are subhuman, your definition of "Nazi" can be expanded. It can even be expanded to include groups that were originally targeted in the Holocaust. Do better.

We’re just going to ignore the large, old, thriving Sephardic communities in the US, I guess.

(Not to mention that “I hate the way antisemites and Jews alike present Ashkenazi culture as pale & stale & monolithic” + “and it kinda is” + “how dare you say I am saying that” is like Trumpian levels of shameless gaslighting.)

thinking about how utterly and completely and uniformly ashkenazi worldwide judaism really seems to be, and especially how current antisemitism focuses a lot on ashkenazi judaism and its stereotypes -

and the stark contrast with judaism inside israel... mizrahi judaism (which is on itself extremely generalizing - yemeni judaism and iraqi judaism and persian judaism and turkish judaism and libyan judaism and syrian judaism and the 100 other shades of mizrahi jewish cultures, each standing on its own, rich and unique), then ethiopian judaism, kurdish jews, sephardi jews, indian jews, old yishuv jews - it is so colorful, and it's everywhere. and each community stands on its own but they mix together with each other and compliment each other because they're all different flavors of the same people. so everywhere you see people put hummus and amba on their schnitzel and listen to shlomo artzi while going out for sabich/listen to zohar argov while going out for friday schnitzel challa (you wouldn't believe all the ways you can eat schnitzel) and put matza ball soup in bowls decorated with khamsas and evil eyes and everyone craves piping hot jachnun on saturday morning (gosh, jewish culture has really got a lot to do with food, doesn't it? or maybe i'm just hungry).

literally the majority of jews in israel are mizrahi. and the percentage of mixed mizrahi-ashkenazi families is massive too.

and no, it's not all butterflies and sunshine, inter-jewish racism exists and it's ugly and prevalent and a central topic in israeli socio-political discussions and activism. but still, israeli jewish culture is still SO global... sometimes i look at the way people (especially antisemites but not only them) present judaism - all ashkenazi and pale and solemn - and it just seems so damn... stale. (the fact that i'm ashkenazi myself makes it even more bizarre, and obviously ironic, but i'm very secular from a very secular household so we never really cared much about our own ashkenazism).

jewish culture really deserves better than any of that.