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A TAKE ON THAT ONE SCENE IN CHAPTER 138

Spoilers for the final season of aot & the most recent chapter 138

So last night while catching up on the anime - finally - I stumbled across a short realization and possible situation that could be happening in the last chapter. This is focused on Jean, Connie, and Gabi and chapter 138, so do not keep reading if you’re not a manga reader!

In chapter 108/episode 10/11 we get the flashback to the squad building the railroads, and later on the discussion of who is supposed to inherit Eren’s titans once his five years pass and he’s bound to die according to Ymir’s curse.

There, it’s Mikasa first that decides to inherit his titans, shortly shot down by Jean who reminds her that they’re not sure if she can even become a shifter due to her origin and bloodline. Furthermore, he decides to take them on his own and offers to be the one to be Eren’s successor.

He is shut down by Connie, who decides that it should be him to take the titans seeing as Jean - whether that was a joke or not - was ‘too good’/’too important’ to be reduced to thirteen years of living and should instead strive to become someone in a leading position within the Survey Corps. Therefore, Connie puts himself into the position to take onto the titans.

Following that, Sasha decides that it should be her to take the titans, laying onto the fact that she has experience on the field and combat, and that she is the only one left due to the process of elimination.

However, as we know, Sasha doesn’t get the chance to even get into further consideration due to her death a few chapters prior and in episode 8.

How does this relate to chapter 138, though? Let me tell you. (Seriously, last chance if you're not a manga reader and up to date. big spoilers.) Jean, Connie, and Gabi are turned into mindless titans along with a large number of other eldians living on Marley, assumingly through the gas that the centipede caused, continuing to attack Reiner and Annie that are currently on the field a bit further away from Eren, Armin, Falco, Mikasa, and Levi.

While it is possible that Jean, Connie, or Gabi devour either Annie or Reiner, I would like to propose another possible idea that goes back all the way to the origin of the nine titans and Ymir the Founder’s death. Jean, Connie, and Gabi possibly inheriting one of Eren’s three titans respectively. (It’s a far shot, but anything is possible in Attack on Titan, as we’ve seen already.) When Ymir, the first titan shifter and founder, died after thirteen years due to getting shot by an arrow, the King had her three daughters - Rose, Sina, Maria - eat her corpse and perform cannibalism so they could harvest her powers and divided the nine titans from one person onto three titans for one daughter each. After thirteen years, her daughters had three children each and those nine children ate their mother’s corpses as well; dividing the nine titans onto nine people, turning them into the shifters we now know. Therefore, we know that it’s possible to divide and retract multiple titans from one person and give them to the given number of people, one titan each. Eren has three titans - Attack, Founding, Warhammer - who could very well be inherited by Jean, Connie, and Gabi.

Jean and Connie since they offered to take them and felt responsible to do so, and Gabi because I think she’s taken Sasha’s spot in an ironic twist of things. In many aspects, she shares similarities to the woman she’s killed. For example, they look alike, and there is a theory coursing the fandom that she and Sasha are distantly related, seeing as her parents have a southern Marley accent and their mothers look similar as well. Gabi has also become a great shot, which before had been Sasha’s trademark ability, furthermore laying down similarities. It could very well be that Isayama tries to pull off something that lays down how there’s a repeating cycle in many aspects, and puts a connection between Ymir and Eren down. How they both had to be devoured by the people they love. There has been a lot of foreshadowing before in this series, and this might be one as well. Might - I do not assume that this will be the end or something that will happen, but it was just a thought that struck me at night while watching the anime.

We’ll see how it all unfolds.

#attack on titan #shingeki no kyojin spoilers #aot spoilers #snk #snk spoilers #snk 138 #aot 138 #eren jaeger #jean kirschstein #connie springer #gabi braun #ouch

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blackicewave · 3 years

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ah!! thank you so much? knowing someone else has a similar theory/thought process it like, super relieving, haha. glad you could make sense of it! :>

hot take on the recent chapters

I came up with this while I was on too little sleep & after a friend caught up to the manga, it’s really long and I hope it makes sense - so, enjoy!

I think what is happening right now, might be Ymir trying to re-establish her former form.

Because Eren has three out of nine titans right now - Attack, Founding, Warhammer. The Founding Titan was the very first of all titans before Ymir started gathering/creating all those other abilities.

We currently have this written/known about it specifically on the official wiki page:

Its Scream can create and control other Titans, and modify the memories and body compositions of the Subjects of Ymir, but this power can only be used by the royal family under normal circumstances.

According to Marley’s Titan Biology Research Society, the Founding Titan is the point where the paths that connect all Subjects of Ymir and Titans cross.

We have been known that only the royal family can properly use it, which is why Eren only managed to use the Founding when touching Dina Fritz’s titan (the one that ate his mother) to protect Mikasa after Hannes was devoured and then when coming in contact with Zeke, seeing as he is from royal blood as well. However, the royal family is bound by a vow and the ideology of Karl Fritz - basically, he wanted the Eldians to be locked up and separated from the world because they had been too involved in wars before. So he wanted to protect them, essentially.

The vow is renouncing war to stop Eldia from using the Founding Titan to devastate the world ever again and it possesses the individual to follow the idea. That is why Frieda, even though she viewed the Eldians as sinners, still followed that protocol.

Now, with Grisha devouring Frieda and gaining the Founding Titan and passing it on to Eren, the chain of royal blood inheritors was broken. Which is why, paired with Erens own ideology to go behind the walls and see the world, Ymir zeroed her interest in him as it’s seen in the recent chapters.

She herself wasn’t of royal blood and being used to fight wars for that king in the backstory most likely built a hatred for humanity in her view - she was viewed as that slave, of which Eren broke her free. He’s the only inheritor that hasn’t been shaped and controlled by that ideology of King Fritz that she could get her hands on, so she can twist his views or add her own to it in having to destroy the world and humanity in it.

I think that she’s using Eren as a vessel to collect all titans. He already has three, and with every other shifter present right now - Armin (colossal), Reiner (armored), Annie (female), Falco (jaw), Pieck (cart) and Zeke (Beast) - she can take them prisoner and force them to join with Eren.

She basically already has Zeke in her control, having lured him into paths with Eren, and she just took Armin prisoner with another previous titan. Why else would she take him prisoner and bring him to “Eren’s ass” as Levi said and separate them by a hoard of powerful, controlled titan shifters if not to ensure they don’t get him back until she has taken all of them captive? She knows how powerful Levi and Mikasa are - most likely through Eren’s memories. She most likely wants to create a vessel with all nine titans again to merge with Eren fully, maybe even devour him herself, to use her full former strength to get back on humanity and make them pay.

In the first chapter about her backstory it’s shown that she was being punished and chased to her “death” because she let the pigs escape - in the last chapter 135, however, in the very first panel, it’s shown that she willingly opened the gate to let them escape. She wanted them to run away. Whether or not it was planned that she’d be chased like that and would tumble into the tree trunk is questionable, but I think it has to do with it.

To add to my suspicion of not killing the current inheritors of the nine titans because she needs them later on, look at chapters 114-115 specifically.

Zeke blew himself up in the scene with Levi, and that entirely. He was torn in half. His spine was destroyed and therefore the titan in him “lost” because he had no one to pass it on to. He accepted that he’d die, told himself that. He did die.

But Ymir brought him back. She rebuilt his body and brought him back to life - if she really did that out of pure selflessness and devotion to her people, why didn’t she do it with Levi? He’s Eldian, too, technically, even if he’s an Ackermann.

But Ackermanns are a byproduct and made to protect the royal family, and if we follow my thing right here, then she hated the royal family - she was forced to marry the king and give him offspring, after all. And she was nothing but a child. And she knew how dangerous Levi was - so she planned for him to die while rescuing Zeke, because she had a plan for him while Levi would have only endangered that.

In chapter 110, Zacharias refuses Mikasa and Armin to go see Eren - and promptly dies in an explosion. This might be a hot take, but I think Eren might have ordered someone to do so (because Ymir made him?) - because she needed to split the bond between them. And afterward, Eren escaped. Maybe it was used as a maneuver to get the attention off of him.

In chapter 112 he returns to meet Mikasa and Armin in the table scene - already threatening to transform if they make any move. “I am free. Whatever I do, whatever I choose. I do it out of my own free will.”

That’s what he says, entirely unprompted really. He proceeds to tell Armin that he’s the one being controlled by Bertholt, and I think that mirrors the situation properly. Because it could serve as a parallel that it’s not Armin but Eren controlled by “the enemy”.

In that chapter, Eren effectively cuts all of the bonds to his friends even though in a few chapters before (when discussing who will inherit his titan once his time is over) he claims to care about them more than anything. And he does. He cares incredibly, he’s a very emotional person - but suddenly, all of his emotions are gone. Seems fishy. ‘

He cuts Mikasa off by telling her he’s hated her for his whole life, knowing it’s her weak spot. He beats Armin up, knowing it’s his weak spot because Eren was always there to take hits for him when he got beaten up as a child.

Once again, I think that’s Ymir taking control of his memories and using them against him. That, or Eren used those purposefully to get them away from him and out of the danger zone, knowing that he’s a time bomb.

In that chapter, it is thickly laid on that Eren “hates” slaves. “Do you know what I hate most in this world? Anyone who isn’t free. That, or cattle. Just looking at them made me so angry, now I finally understand why. I couldn’t stand to look at an undoubting slave who only ever followed orders.”

Maybe, once again, that is Ymir speaking - she was reduced to a slave, and her creation of a titan made to fight was broken down by a vow the Eldian King created. The following inheritors only ever accepted that fate and didn’t do anything to break free from it.

In chapter 130 when Eren tells Historia his plan, he says the following:

“The only way to put a final end to the cycle of revenge born from hate is to remove that history of hate from this world and bury it in the ground, civilisation and all.” - he knows it’s a repeating process, possibly because of previous memories handed down to him through the Attack Titan and looking through the royal bloodline with the Founding Titan (first seen when he kissed Historia’s hand).

The cycle of revenge born from hate - gotta keep that in mind, cause I think it’s very important looking at all of his actions.

There’s this constant reference with his friends. In so many flashbacks, it tells us that Eren wants his friends to have happy lives. To be free. To live long. He adores his friends and loves them with all of his heart. So why tell them he hates them? Why beat them? Why get them involved in all of this?

Because it isn’t him saying those things, and if it is there’s more behind it.

In chapter 131 he apologizes to a child for everything he is about to do before it even happens. Maybe because he saw the outcome of it all?

He knows how much he will hurt the world and people, but he does it anyway because he needs this cycle to end.

I’m not fully sure what the rest of his apology means, talking about how he was disappointed learning that people lived in the outside world. But what I do think is important is the last panel in that chapter, this one:

It views Eren with his eyes shut. Just his head. Usually, whenever he controls his titan, his eyes are open. His own body moves to control the titan. Here it isn’t, though. I feel like that symbolizes how it’s not him.

We established that he’s a very emotion bound person that often rejects logic to follow his heart - he doesn’t have his heart here. He can’t listen to it. If you are manipulated the source of that manipulation always tries to break your mind first. Rob you of your beliefs and make you follow others.

The contrast is right then and there - why would he apologies in tears to a child he doesn’t know at all and explain his intentions and beliefs when once it happens, and once the child is murdered, he doesn’t show any reaction?

Sure, one could argue that he’s not conscious after his head was shot off, but who caused the jump and transformation into the titan if not Eren? Possibly Ymir.

It is shown that the user has to focus on that goal to transform, as in season one with Eren and the well, so either Eren was conscious enough - somewhat doubtful - or Ymir had full control of him then and there already as soon as he stepped into paths.

In chapter 133 Reiner says something important; “If it was me, I’d probably.. want someone else to handle the power of the founder by now. And if I couldn’t, I’d want it to be stopped by someone.”

There’s pretty much a direct contrast once again - are Eren and the Rumbling controlled by someone else? In my opinion, yes.

Does he want someone else to stop it? He most likely does, why else would Mikasa, Armin, and co be able to move freely? Ymir not so much.

I feel like he’s putting up a resistance to them, which is why she can’t control them properly despite them being Eldians.

They get thrown into paths then, and when they see Eren it’s him but his younger version. Around nine or ten, probably.

What I think happened here is that Ymir is keeping him trapped in a younger version of himself - similar to that one time he was wrapped up in blankets in his home and Armin was knocking on the window behind him, trying to shake him awake and conscious again.

She’s keeping his conscience reminded of good memories to hold him there and be able to move freely with his body - like I said, she’s using him as a vessel to push her actions, her dream, her ideal world and outcome into his hands.

“In order to gain my own freedom, I will take freedom away from the world.” Sounds a lot like something Ymir could have been saying, in my opinion. But then again, who knows.

This panel is also important:

Eren, in his young form, is simply standing next to Ymir. And he doesn’t do anything. He doesn’t react or recognize his friends, and most importantly, he mirrors how Ymir is standing in the exact same way.

She’s mirroring herself onto him, projecting her conscience onto his body. It proceeds with “If you want to stop me, then try to stop me from ever taking another breath” - once again, and I cannot stress this enough, Ymir uses Eren’s memories against him.

She knows his friends won’t risk him dying. She knows they would do anything to protect him. This is her playing it safe; they won’t kill him, ergo they won’t stop her from continuing her plan by using him.

Now in the recent chapter, she’s standing on top of his spine and it becomes very clear that she’s controlling it all. She’s building former titan shifters from his spine, and controlling them to separate the team from Eren’s location - and Armin’s, most likely even Zeke’s.

She figured out that they won’t give up until they found Eren and can talk to him, so she creates that barrier that she’s sure they won’t manage to surpass. Not with limited supplies.

When Pieck becomes a danger, she eliminates her by impaling her on that trident - but she doesn’t injure her beyond conscience or in a threatening state. She specifically uses Galliard and Berthold against Reiner, and throws those two on him to damage him in his abilities and trick his mind, to manipulate him.

Armin says it himself: "If Eren is only attacking onward like he said he would then this resistance is coming from Ymir.“ If Eren is attacking onward to follow the goal to end the cycle, then Ymir is the one bringing all the complications. They might work hand in hand, but I do strongly believe that all of the complications are solely on Ymir. Eren never wanted to risk hurting his friends.

In fact, and this is if he is conscious enough to pull any strings right now, I think he might be setting things up to ensure that his friends are the ones that kill him.

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blackicewave · 3 years

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hot take on the recent chapters

I came up with this while I was on too little sleep & after a friend caught up to the manga, it’s really long and I hope it makes sense - so, enjoy!

I think what is happening right now, might be Ymir trying to re-establish her former form.

We currently have this written/known about it specifically on the official wiki page:

Its Scream can create and control other Titans, and modify the memories and body compositions of the Subjects of Ymir, but this power can only be used by the royal family under normal circumstances.

According to Marley's Titan Biology Research Society, the Founding Titan is the point where the paths that connect all Subjects of Ymir and Titans cross.

We have been known that only the royal family can properly use it, which is why Eren only managed to use the Founding when touching Dina Fritz's titan (the one that ate his mother) to protect Mikasa after Hannes was devoured and then when coming in contact with Zeke, seeing as he is from royal blood as well. However, the royal family is bound by a vow and the ideology of Karl Fritz - basically, he wanted the Eldians to be locked up and separated from the world because they had been too involved in wars before. So he wanted to protect them, essentially.

She herself wasn't of royal blood and being used to fight wars for that king in the backstory most likely built a hatred for humanity in her view - she was viewed as that slave, of which Eren broke her free. He's the only inheritor that hasn't been shaped and controlled by that ideology of King Fritz that she could get her hands on, so she can twist his views or add her own to it in having to destroy the world and humanity in it.

I think that she's using Eren as a vessel to collect all titans. He already has three, and with every other shifter present right now - Armin (colossal), Reiner (armored), Annie (female), Falco (jaw), Pieck (cart) and Zeke (Beast) - she can take them prisoner and force them to join with Eren.

She basically already has Zeke in her control, having lured him into paths with Eren, and she just took Armin prisoner with another previous titan. Why else would she take him prisoner and bring him to "Eren's ass" as Levi said and separate them by a hoard of powerful, controlled titan shifters if not to ensure they don't get him back until she has taken all of them captive? She knows how powerful Levi and Mikasa are - most likely through Eren's memories. She most likely wants to create a vessel with all nine titans again to merge with Eren fully, maybe even devour him herself, to use her full former strength to get back on humanity and make them pay.

In the first chapter about her backstory it's shown that she was being punished and chased to her "death" because she let the pigs escape - in the last chapter 135, however, in the very first panel, it's shown that she willingly opened the gate to let them escape. She wanted them to run away. Whether or not it was planned that she'd be chased like that and would tumble into the tree trunk is questionable, but I think it has to do with it.

To add to my suspicion of not killing the current inheritors of the nine titans because she needs them later on, look at chapters 114-115 specifically.

Zeke blew himself up in the scene with Levi, and that entirely. He was torn in half. His spine was destroyed and therefore the titan in him "lost" because he had no one to pass it on to. He accepted that he'd die, told himself that. He did die.

But Ymir brought him back. She rebuilt his body and brought him back to life - if she really did that out of pure selflessness and devotion to her people, why didn't she do it with Levi? He's Eldian, too, technically, even if he's an Ackermann.

In chapter 112 he returns to meet Mikasa and Armin in the table scene - already threatening to transform if they make any move. "I am free. Whatever I do, whatever I choose. I do it out of my own free will."

That's what he says, entirely unprompted really. He proceeds to tell Armin that he's the one being controlled by Bertholt, and I think that mirrors the situation properly. Because it could serve as a parallel that it's not Armin but Eren controlled by "the enemy".

In that chapter, Eren effectively cuts all of the bonds to his friends even though in a few chapters before (when discussing who will inherit his titan once his time is over) he claims to care about them more than anything. And he does. He cares incredibly, he's a very emotional person - but suddenly, all of his emotions are gone. Seems fishy. ‘

He cuts Mikasa off by telling her he's hated her for his whole life, knowing it's her weak spot. He beats Armin up, knowing it's his weak spot because Eren was always there to take hits for him when he got beaten up as a child.

Once again, I think that's Ymir taking control of his memories and using them against him. That, or Eren used those purposefully to get them away from him and out of the danger zone, knowing that he's a time bomb.

In that chapter, it is thickly laid on that Eren "hates" slaves. "Do you know what I hate most in this world? Anyone who isn't free. That, or cattle. Just looking at them made me so angry, now I finally understand why. I couldn't stand to look at an undoubting slave who only ever followed orders."

In chapter 130 when Eren tells Historia his plan, he says the following:

"The only way to put a final end to the cycle of revenge born from hate is to remove that history of hate from this world and bury it in the ground, civilisation and all." - he knows it's a repeating process, possibly because of previous memories handed down to him through the Attack Titan and looking through the royal bloodline with the Founding Titan (first seen when he kissed Historia's hand).

The cycle of revenge born from hate - gotta keep that in mind, cause I think it's very important looking at all of his actions.

There's this constant reference with his friends. In so many flashbacks, it tells us that Eren wants his friends to have happy lives. To be free. To live long. He adores his friends and loves them with all of his heart. So why tell them he hates them? Why beat them? Why get them involved in all of this?

Because it isn't him saying those things, and if it is there's more behind it.

In chapter 131 he apologizes to a child for everything he is about to do before it even happens. Maybe because he saw the outcome of it all?

He knows how much he will hurt the world and people, but he does it anyway because he needs this cycle to end.

I'm not fully sure what the rest of his apology means, talking about how he was disappointed learning that people lived in the outside world. But what I do think is important is the last panel in that chapter, this one:

It views Eren with his eyes shut. Just his head. Usually, whenever he controls his titan, his eyes are open. His own body moves to control the titan. Here it isn't, though. I feel like that symbolizes how it's not him.

We established that he's a very emotion bound person that often rejects logic to follow his heart - he doesn't have his heart here. He can't listen to it. If you are manipulated the source of that manipulation always tries to break your mind first. Rob you of your beliefs and make you follow others.

The contrast is right then and there - why would he apologies in tears to a child he doesn't know at all and explain his intentions and beliefs when once it happens, and once the child is murdered, he doesn't show any reaction?

Sure, one could argue that he's not conscious after his head was shot off, but who caused the jump and transformation into the titan if not Eren? Possibly Ymir.

In chapter 133 Reiner says something important; "If it was me, I'd probably.. want someone else to handle the power of the founder by now. And if I couldn't, I'd want it to be stopped by someone."

There's pretty much a direct contrast once again - are Eren and the Rumbling controlled by someone else? In my opinion, yes.

Does he want someone else to stop it? He most likely does, why else would Mikasa, Armin, and co be able to move freely? Ymir not so much.

I feel like he's putting up a resistance to them, which is why she can't control them properly despite them being Eldians.

They get thrown into paths then, and when they see Eren it's him but his younger version. Around nine or ten, probably.

She's keeping his conscience reminded of good memories to hold him there and be able to move freely with his body - like I said, she's using him as a vessel to push her actions, her dream, her ideal world and outcome into his hands.

"In order to gain my own freedom, I will take freedom away from the world." Sounds a lot like something Ymir could have been saying, in my opinion. But then again, who knows.

This panel is also important:

Eren, in his young form, is simply standing next to Ymir. And he doesn't do anything. He doesn't react or recognize his friends, and most importantly, he mirrors how Ymir is standing in the exact same way.

She's mirroring herself onto him, projecting her conscience onto his body. It proceeds with "If you want to stop me, then try to stop me from ever taking another breath" - once again, and I cannot stress this enough, Ymir uses Eren's memories against him.

She knows his friends won't risk him dying. She knows they would do anything to protect him. This is her playing it safe; they won't kill him, ergo they won't stop her from continuing her plan by using him.

Now in the recent chapter, she's standing on top of his spine and it becomes very clear that she's controlling it all. She's building former titan shifters from his spine, and controlling them to separate the team from Eren's location - and Armin's, most likely even Zeke's.

She figured out that they won't give up until they found Eren and can talk to him, so she creates that barrier that she's sure they won't manage to surpass. Not with limited supplies.

When Pieck becomes a danger, she eliminates her by impaling her on that trident - but she doesn't injure her beyond conscience or in a threatening state. She specifically uses Galliard and Berthold against Reiner, and throws those two on him to damage him in his abilities and trick his mind, to manipulate him.

Armin says it himself: "If Eren is only attacking onward like he said he would then this resistance is coming from Ymir." If Eren is attacking onward to follow the goal to end the cycle, then Ymir is the one bringing all the complications. They might work hand in hand, but I do strongly believe that all of the complications are solely on Ymir. Eren never wanted to risk hurting his friends.

In fact, and this is if he is conscious enough to pull any strings right now, I think he might be setting things up to ensure that his friends are the ones that kill him.

#attack on titan #shingeki no kyoujin #aot season 4 #aot spoilers #snk spoilers #aot 135 #snk manga #aot manga #eren jaeger #first post lets see how this goes #did i crack a code? maybe.#i did say hot take

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