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EUROPEAN FRIENDS!! WE HAVE BEEN STRUCK WITH A TERRIBLE DISEASE! TUMBLR LIVE HAS REACHED EUROPE!!
TURN IT OFF UNDER DASHBOARD SETTINGS!!! STAY SAFE!!!! LET US PRAY TOGETHER TO THE ALMIGHTY EU DATA REGULATION TO STRIKE DOWN THIS VILE CREATURE
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Too many parallels and similarities between these bitches but I'm not smart enough to make elaborate post
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The kazui gay theory still very much remains... but also.. he's just a guy who wanted to be loved .. but felt he needed to lie about who he was to be loved... and the time he decided to.. show up authentically is what caused his murder..
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Gotta say, I do not completely agree with some of the interpretations here personally, but a lot of good points are made so go read! Anyway, op is so right about the guilty vote. I kinda stopped voting because I don't know what to do here, but this is also how I feel about Fuuta. I voted him innocent because I don't wish more harm upon him, but I'm really regretting it now. Same with Mahiru. I started with innocent because I don't want her to hurt even more, but now I'm like, what if she gets too cocky and ends up with a guilty verdict in t3? With Fuuta it's too late now but not with Mahiru.
Mahiru Shiina: Trial 2 Synthesis Theory
Hello everyone! For the “I Love You” drop, I’m just going to jump straight into a full-length theory because I have a LOT that I want to cover and it’s much more comprehensive than my initial thoughts posts usually are. This is partially because all four other admins helped me out, as well as our 6th roommate who isn’t an admin!
As always, I will be using the very fast translation done by @onigiriico, which is linked here! I’ll also be using @iaobug ‘s wonderful translation of Mahiru’s 16 step guide in This Is How To Be In Love With You, which I’ll put here.
T/W: Suicide, stalking, kidnapping/abduction, toxic relationships, murder, hanging, drowning, malnourishment, force feeding a rat. There WILL be images so please read at your own discretion!
Alright, let’s jump into it!
Mahiru’s murder took place in Aokigahara, AKA the Sea of Trees, AKA the Suicide Forest.
This is based on an initial post by @tomoesan, which has since become unavailable. I’ll post a photo of it here, though:
It compares Mahiru’s murder location on her card from Undercover to a real place in Japan: Aokigahara. From the pictures, it’s very clear that this was an intentional move by the artists to place Mahiru’s murder somewhere actively recognizable through some google searches. I firmly believe that the forest that they move through in the MV is Aokigahara.
That’s not all, though. From this image, you can pretty clearly see that the photo seems to be taken from inside a cave. We’ve determined this specific cave to be Ryugu Cave, or The Dragon Cave.
This article shows the exact same photo in the earlier post, citing it as being from the Ryugu Cave.
The Ryugu Cave also contains the Seno Umi Shrine, within it. You can read a bit about it here, but I firmly believe this to be the shrine mentioned on Day 15 of This Is How To Be In Love With You; more on that later.
Furthermore, the shrine is to Toyotama-hime. In mythology, this references a goddess who falls in love with a prince at a water well. However, he breaks a promise not to spy on her, which results in him seeing her in a monstrous form. Given the lyrical translation of daisuki (which should just mean I love you repeatedly) in the chorus to “monstrously in love,” “monstrous cause I love you,” “monstrous dilemma”… I think that the writers absolutely knew what they were going for, and they were giving a nod to this specific story and the shrine, with Mahiru being the lover turned monster.
Based on all of this, and the fact that I do believe Mahiru’s lover committed suicide, I think that all signs point to Aokigahara, specifically Ryugu Cave, being the location of the murder. I’ll be using this assumption throughout the rest of my theory.
I’ll follow along with the guide, starting at Days 1-8.
I think that Mahiru portrays Days 1-8 approximately correctly.
Days 1-7 are, I think, completely correct. Mahiru meets this guy, assumes it’s fate, and does small things to try to get closer to him and get to know about him. At this point, things probably seem completely normal to him, so there wouldn’t be any reason for him to reject her jogging with him or whatever.
Day 8 is when she waits outside his work, takes him to the park and presumably confesses her love to him. This is where her first inconsistency is.
She says that they talked the night away, but she also says that she “chooses not to believe they talked the night away” and that “it felt like no time passed at all.” She also very notably doesn’t actually say what his response was, though she implied it was positive.
I think that it was actually very short; rather than them talking the night away, he probably swiftly rejected her. This, therefore, ends Mahiru’s attempts to get him into a relationship normally. If he won’t love her the way she wants him to, she’ll find a way to make it happen, no matter what.
Mahiru sets a plan into action, starting Day 9.
This is the first page in her journal where the text switches from normal, pristine rows to slanted text. That’s a sign that something is going wrong.
She mentions that her “boyfriend” is really cute when he’s blackout drunk. I think that it’s possible she drugged him, but even if she didn’t, she used this to get some kind of information. It’s possible she brought him back to his house, getting his address, possibly even stealing keys or something like that.
I’d theorize that, rather than going here together, she followed him to the bar. Once he was pretty drunk, it’d be a lot easier to convince him to go along with her.
Day 10 is her talking to her beautician; I think that’s all correct. The beautician simply heard about the story through Mahiru’s eyes.
Day 11 is, I think, similar to the bar; she probably followed him to the “date” location. She says it “can’t be a coincidence” their tastes are so similar and that she’s become a different person. That indicates that this isn’t actually a shared taste: he went to the location and she followed him there.
On Day 12, Mahiru abducts her lover.
Day 12 is the day when Mahiru goes to his house for the first time, but somehow, she can’t actually seem to remember anything.
While that alone is suspicious, there’s also the mirror. We can see her beautician in the mirror, so the fact that he isn’t in the mirror at all seems to imply that he isn’t within the camera’s view at all. Why is she in his entryway without him there to greet her?
The answer is that she’s uninvited. She enters his home, and she takes him. That’s what I think the shot of her jumping on the couch spreading the flowers in This Is How To Be In Love With You is:
Rather than this being her killing moment, I think that this is her going in and snatching him from his own house. I firmly believe that Mahiru took him to Aokigahara, and I think that this is when she did it.
The scene in the house with the feathers immediately follows Day 12, so it makes sense chronologically. Additionally, for Day 13 onwards, the text switches from just being slanted to being stitched together from smaller boxes; it seems like it’s mimicking a ransom note that’s patched together from magazine or book clippings. This indicates that this is when Mahiru is more actively committing a crime: in this case, kidnapping.
Days 13-15 are Mahiru moving the body.
If we assume that Mahiru’s end destination is Ryugu Cave based on earlier research, Days 13, 14 and 15 can be interpreted as movement.
Day 13 may seem strange, given that it’s Mahiru seemingly attending a wedding. However, if you pay careful attention to her phrasing, she does not say that she actually attended. She says that she was invited, and that soon, her dreams will come true. I think it’s possible that the wedding location was closer to Aokigahara–it’s near Mt. Fuji, so I’d imagine there could be some scenic locations or something–and she’s mentally using the wedding as a justification for heading that direction. Maybe she even did attend, if it was over that way.
Day 14 is an outdoor date under the stars. She practically begged him to come along. This is her taking him into the woods. I’m not sure exactly how compliant he was being and if she literally dragged him or if he was in more of a “resisting seems like a bad idea” kind of headspace, but I believe that Day 14 is them arriving at the forest and entering.
It’s notable that, in the scenes in I Love You, Mahiru seems to be leading her lover into the forest. Here’s a screenshot from around 1:37:
At this point, it doesn’t seem like he’s being forced. However, this ends with him groveling on the ground at 1:55.
Comparing that to the image immediately after, we understand that Mahiru isn’t seeing the situation clearly. Given that he’s in this kneeling position in both shots, I think it’s safe to say that the shots with the golden lighting are the situation through Mahiru’s eyes.
He’s very clearly actually beaten down and miserable, but Mahiru depicts them as a cute and happy couple. In fact, at 1:20, the lyrics support this interpretation:
This too-perfect image of her relationship is captioned with “I actually believed that.” It’s telling us, the audience, that while she actually, genuinely believed that these fantasy segments were reality, we, perhaps, should not do the same. These fantasy segments aren’t real.
Mahiru has already proven her capability of being an unreliable narrator in the past, concealing a lot of information within the text of her 16 Day Guide. I don’t want to completely discount these fantasies, but I’m trusting the side by side comparisons it gives us that they are NOT, in any way shape or form, what she portrays them as. I don’t want to take any of it at face value.
Anyways, Day 15 is the end destination of their journey: the arrival at Ryugu Cave. This is the shrine that she mentions.
As stated earlier, Ryugu Cave contains a shrine. Though the cave isn’t available to tourists, that just increases the chances that Mahiru could get away with imprisoning her captive there without being spotted by the patrols that go through.
For reference, this cave is very deep: 96 m, or approximately 315 ft. It would be pretty hard for him to escape once they’re there, which resounds with her wish: they’ll stay like that until the end of time, and no one will stand in her way.
Day 16 is… a snapping point.
Day 16 is when we see Mahiru prepare her lovely boyfriend a wonderful meal of all his favorites. I think that this is when the 2:13/2:14 fantasy split happens:
While she sees herself giving him cake pleasantly, in reality, she seems to be… force feeding him a rat??
I know some people think that the cake is a metaphor for toxicity, and that because he feeds it to her first in the video, it means that the relationship is mutually toxic. From what I’ve seen, this theory completely disregards both the rat aspect and the fantasy filter over the cake scene. I think it’s far more likely that him feeding her cake was Mahiru idealizing the real events. Maybe she ate the rats, too, and she liked to think he’d feed her, too. It’s them eating together; if the cake can be a rat, him feeding it to her can be a similarly significant misperception.
In any case, given that this is the last day in the guide, I think that this is the end of the line for him. He can’t take being her captive anymore, and sometime when she’s not away, he commits suicide.
I’m not entirely sure how. Obviously, we see him hanging at several points in the video, most prominently at the end:
But we can also see that he appears to be soaked with water at the very beginning.
There are lakes within Ryugu Cave. They’d also likely be cold enough to give him some form of hypothermia, explaining the blue tint to his skin in the second of the two images (he seems to have dried off by the second). Because of this, I’m somewhat inclined to lean towards drowning because it seems like it would have been more accessible to him. In that case, though, I’m not sure how he ends up hanging. I don’t feel like Mahiru would put him there; it feels much more likely to me that she would jump into the lake with him so that they could be together forever or something.
So, I’m not sure whether he hangs himself or drowns himself, but the gist is, he ends up dead. That’s what Mahiru blames herself for.
VOTE: GUILTY
I know that she’s currently leaning innocent and many people feel strongly about it, but please hear me out here.
In Mahiru’s audio drama, she very clearly does not grasp the gravity of what she did. If she really did kidnap him, bring him to the suicide forest and force feed him rats… that is NOT loving someone “normally,” as she’s so insistent that she did.
Her current perception is that when she loves someone normally, it’s wrong. That’s what she’s said about her guilty verdict. However, if we switch gears and vote her innocent, what will that tell her?
I think it would tell her that her love is okay–and, to the delusional Mahiru, that means saying that all of what she did is okay. If she believes this is loving someone normally, then I’d rather tell her not to love anyone like this again. It’s going to be hard for her to accept, and I recognize we might lose her between trials, but I think telling her that this is okay is even worse.
I do meta vote, but I do it in the context of trying to secure as many viable innocent votes for the third trial as possible. I think that, if we vote Mahiru innocent, she’ll go back to her fully delusional self. I think guilty is the only way to make the message stick, and the message has to stick if she has a chance at getting an innocent verdict in the end. I really urge you to consider it, because I think that voting her innocent will be a huge mistake on the fanbase’s part (which is the same exact way I felt about the Kotoko vote in Trial 1).
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I had a sudden thought after rereading the birthday conversation. Translation by maristelina
If Fuuta were voted guilty, would he actually have been swayed by Amane’s attempts to bring him into her religion/cult? Because he, frankly, is really miserable. In his QnA, that he wants something to rely on. Religion is something many people turn to to find comfort in bad times.
He seems to have isolated himself. It really makes me think that he’d be the perfect target for a cult. That’s how they get you: by promising something to rely on and a community to support you. Even before Milgram, he he seemed a bit directionless and unsatisfied with his life
Of course, I don’t think that Amane was intentionally trying to take advantage of his isolation. She probably thought she was helping him.
Just found this an interesting thought.
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#milgram
While I think Fuuta makes an interesting point about unintended/unforeseen consequences in his voice drama, I don't think the comparison between him and Es is completely valid. This is because Fuuta had a choice that Es didn't: to not get involved. Es was brought to Milgram and told that they had to judge guilt or innocence. But when a middle schooler is being weird online, you can decide it's none of your business and move on. Fuuta didn't have to judge other peoples' behavior the way he did. Es is forced to make a decision. Fuuta and Amane are probably my favorite characters in Milgram, but that doesn't necessarily mean I think they're both innocent or deserve to be forgiven. I think you could make a stronger case for forgiving Amane than for Fuuta, but that's another post for another time.
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I love Vivid BAD SQUAD to death but their sekai doesn't make any sense to me. Not the fact that it's a street, I get that, but rather the feelings that made their sekai.
VBS' true feelings is about their shared dream: wanting to surpass RAD WEEKEND. However that's where they lost me. This sekai is made from the feelings of all four of them right? Then how come this sekai existed without Kohane being even aware of RAD WEEKEND? I'm confused on when the sekais formed. For me it's either when they were younger and the vocaloids were watching them like I've seen so much fanart of, or right before the start of the main story is when the sekais' feelings were strong enough to create this entire world (empty sekai being the exception, I don't think it was ever stated when the first time was mafuyu entered the sekai). This all could very much be established somewhere but idk so lmk if it is.
Back to VBS, let's look at the start of their main story. At that point Kohane has no idea what RAD WEEKEND is, but the sekai already existed, she was transported there at the same time as An in ch1. Now riddle me this, if sekai's exist to make someone realize their true feelings, is it possible to have those true feelings about something you don't know the existence of yet? This always came off as weird to me.
The 'virtual singers were watching over them as children' theory doesn't really make sense with VBS either, because not only will the problem with Kohane also apply to Toya, in Period of Nocturne it was established that the vocaloids never knew about Toya's family issues and his situation. That wouldn't make sense if they were watching over him.
My best guesses for an explanation: the street sekai originally was only made of An and Akito's feelings which somehow someway Toya and Kohane's feelings got added to, or surpassing RAD WEEKEND isn't exactly what their true feelings are. VBS has always had this theme about goals for your future. Kohane used to never take any risks and had no goal which made her life empty of excitement, An dreamed from the monent she saw RAD WEEKEND to follow into her father's footsteps and surpass the event he, Nagi and Taiga put on, Akito has this whole complex of if you're not serious about reaching your goal you're not deserving of it, and Toya was never able to do what he wanted for his future but after Tsukasa helped him to be able to stand up against his father he was finally able to follow his own dreams.
Making your dreams come true / the importance of having something to strive for / never giving up on reaching your goals, something like that reminds me of VBS and their feelings. That would explain the contradiction to me, but who knows what the real answer is.
#project sekai#hatsune miku colorful stage#vivid bad squad#an shiraishi#akito shinonome#toya aoyagi#kohane azusawa
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So is the rest of this entire trial going to be vote sweeps now?
Kotoko and Mahiru are for sure going to be vote sweeps too. I'm putting my fate in Kazui and Mikoto honestly for none vote sweep verdict
#I really miss 50/50#that was so entertaining with Haruka's second mv#dont get me wrong I'm not angry at any of this#the votes are just not as interesting now ig#like I barely keep with them now that they're all vote sweeps#milgram#shidou kirisaki
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Tbh I'm kind of having mixed feelings about Fuuta's verdict. Don't get me wrong, I voted him forgiven and I'm relieved for him that he hopefully doesn't have to suffer as much anymore and can get proper sleep, but the other part of me is afraid he'll do a 180 again and end up with as unforgiven in the third trial. I do believe he's learned and I doubt he'll go back to being how he was in t1 with all this new found trauma and the loss of half his eyesight, but I'm afraid he gets a big ego boost from getting forgiven after threatening Es and succeeding and having Kotoko unforgiven while he got forgiven just like he wanted. And I personally don't think his crime is death penalty worthy which I'm scared will be the punishment when a prisoner is unforgiven in t3
Tldr: I'm happy for you fuuta that you got forgiven but please don't have a villain arc
#Im kinda late but my mental health has been shitty lately#please fuuta dont do a 180 and get yourself fucked over again#and I swear to god if it turns out he was lying about feeling guilty#milgram project#milgram#fuuta kajiyama
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He was right and it breaks my heart
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I honestly kind of doubt the creators will kill off a character, it just doesn't make sense to me in a series like this. I can see characters dying at the end but before we've figured out their sins it just seems unlikely to me. However if I have to choose I'd say Haruka with Shidou as my second choice. Haruka has a guilty verdict, we've seen what that does to people, not only that the restrainments are worse this round and haruka already had a breakdown over just es warning him that he only got forgiven in the first round so far. And it looks like Mu's getting that guilty verdict as well which just adds to his problems and reasons to commit exit game. For Shidou, I find it really vague what Amane wants us to do in order to safe Shidou from getting killed by her. My guess would be her innocent and Shidou guilty, but if he does get voted guilty it only makes him more of an easy target for her to end him. (I doubt generally that Shidou would fight back against a child too) My possible third choice is Kotoko, not from a content perspective but from the prisoners, because nobody there likes her and with restrainments she also becomes an easier target (eyeing Mikoto here). Futa and/or Mahiru will be my first choice tho *if* they get a guilty verdict, both are very cleary at their limit, but that's also why I think both will be forgiven and therefore are less likely to die.
As to what would happen if someone were to die, I guess they would just get skipped over in terms of mvs. Maybe there will be extra content surrounding it but no mv that wouldn't make sense. How are you going to extract memories from the mind of a dead person? I mean I guess it could be a thing but idk man I just don't see it work to kill them off like I said at the start.
#thanks for giving me this opportunity to ramble#ig also Yuno could be possible because we basically know everything we need for her 'murder'#and because of her question and the end of her t2 vd#anyways main choices are haruka or shidou#milgram#just my milgram thoughts
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Happy 1 million views! To All Knowing and All Agony
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In all honesty I think Yuno's case would be a lot more interesting (especially discussion wise) if she didn't have an abortion and gave birth to the child but threw the baby off stairs/a building to get rid of it like I've seen many theories about before the release of tear drop. Now you can't guilty Yuno without people assuming you're against abortion because that has become the main factor in deciding on her verdict. I would have loved a different discussion than just mainly 'is abortion murder?'. (I'm aware there are other reasons to vote yuno guilty than being against abortion I just wished it wasn't almost the only thing people use as arguments for her verdict and therefore would rather have her kill a baby as her sin)
#dont get me wrong I love yuno so much#i think it's really interesting how she thinks abortion is murder despite having had one#and with her killing a baby the abortion discussion could still have been there just not as prominent as rn#just cant get myself to be excited as much for her 3rd trial because its obv what the outcome will be#but still live laugh love yuno#milgram#yuno kashiki#just my milgram thoughts
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I came to the realization last night that Mu and Fuuta resemble each others' victims
Mu's victim, aka PHG, called out Mu's bad behavior which caused the tables to turn on her, but from After Pain I've seen lots of people conclude that PHG wasn't one of Mu's bullies. Going with this, she called out Mu, got her to get bullied but didn't participate nor interfere with it herself. She has this in common with Fuuta. He called out his victim online which caused her to get harassed and bullied online, but (presumably from Backdraft) he didn't actively bully her along side the others nor interfere to stop it.
Then Fuuta's victim got harrased after being called out for doing something bad and ended her life. She has this in common with Mu, although Mu didn't actually end her own life but sure was close to doing so (looks at rope in hourglass in after pain)
What does this mean? Idk, just an interesting parallel, and it makes the theory about PHG's role in Mu's crime a lot more plausible
#just my milgram thoughts#I woke up in the middle of the night with this thought dunno how original it is#milgram#fuuta kajiyama#mu kusunoki#it's not my fault#backdraft
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I want to send Mu to the miraculous ladybug universe
She's half french, her bug sona looks like an akumatized villain and she is a 'queen bee'
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I just want to say to the milgram fandom ily, I don't mind if you have a different opinion as me on Mu's verdict, reading all the theories and looking at beautiful art is such a blast please continue doing your amazing work
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Agreed, I do think for me personally I wouldn't mind as much for my own opinion. I really hate the 'bully-being-bullied-is-justified' thing both irl and in media. I wouldn't wish the bullying I faced upon my bullies either, but that's just me.
NGL, I'm gonna be really disappointed if it turns out Muu really was a bully herself... a bullying victim who became manipulative as a survival tactic, who wasn't a GREAT person but still didn't deserve to go through what she did - that was really comforting to see. I'd hate to see the bullying of Muu become something "justifiable". If she was just throwing a fit because she couldn't take what she dished out.
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