"Most JP bands treat their foreign fans as non existent." was sth I shouldn't have found today but it's not like i dunno. I just didn't wish to hear it rn. However I will say this, because it's been bothering me for years.
While fc stuff is sth most western fans dislike (including myself) and just accept it's sth common in Japan so they choose to ignore it, it is still unfortunately one of the biggest incomes for the bands. Whether it is available for global fans or not and whether we can be part of it or not (financially i mean), I think it's good to put that into perspective too. If it wasn't for this "politic", some bands would have disbanded way earlier than they did. Also do consider that some bands, regardless of whether they have an fc or not, do not favor one or the other. It's rare I know but it happens. Like yeah fc members get extra stuff release-wise, special lives and some even get to go on a trip with the band (not all bands do the latter one though let's be real) but as a whole, the band doesn't ignore its non monthly payers. That is very important to consider before feeling like "unless i'm paying a heavy load, i am not appreciated enough".
Another thing I'd like to point out is that, yes these people are artists and artists depend largely on people's emotions but being an artist is also a job. So we can't really be mad that these people use every method in the book to earn money. Paying the bills isn't the only thing they use money for. They need money for their costumes, mvs and tour expenses. That is a lot of money guys and if you think buying their cds and merch alone is enough you are wrong. Especially if the band isn't independent, the biggest percentage of their products' income goes to their company, not them.
As for my last point and the view of Japanese artists towards foreign fans, I'd like to point out a type of experience I've read more than once from jrockers and that is "moving on from the bands". It is really hard for a small band, or a band with fans under 20k anyway, to imagine themselves making fans outside of their immediate environment. Sure, some can argue the insecurity lies in Japanese culture as a whole, but with the years I've come to realize it's more than that. Bear with me. There are bands who are not interested in expansion abroad, sure, but you will be surprised how many actually ARE interested. The problem lies in the fact they can't trust it. Either because they themselves have never left their country before or cared to research how other cultures act, they know what they know based on word of mouth and stereotypes, OR because they met foreign fans at their lives, got excited about it and then said fans had to go so, because they had no visual proof those fans were still there, they believed they were forgotten by them. I also met a fan living in Japan a couple of years back and she confirmed that for me, that many jrockers have this fear of being forgotten or not being relevant for long. They do everything in their power to keep their relevance going so they can't depend on things they can't see and confirm they are loved on the regular, because that's a lot of anxiety to take in. They prefer focusing on what's there, cause if their venues don't fill up there, then no matter how many fans they have abroad they won't be able to sustain their dream.
So yeah before you get upset at a band for how they earn their money from fans or how they act towards different types of fans, put yourselves in their place. What would YOU do to keep your dream going and not having to live a life you hate. There lies your answer. They are not hollywood artists. They don't earn royalties from interviews and commercials the way hollywood people do, so they will never be able to quit the fc method or having to manipulate emotions a bit to keep their shit going. I'm not a fan who is able to pay often and yet every jrocker I tried approaching was really patient with me. And I personally appreciate that. Sure it's part of the business to be polite, but having had a bad experience too, among the good ones, I can tell you that won't hold an arsehole back when you find him.
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Rajigaze Oct 14
Reita:Â âRuki-san, Reita-san, good evening. I know you guys travel a lot when youâre on tour, but is there anything you donât like about taking the bullet train or airplane? For me, itâs the whole exchange around reclining your seat. I want there to be a standard as to whether or not you should ask the person behind you [before putting your seat back]. Please take care of yourselves! We rock!â
Ruki: HmâŚ
Reita: I feel this. The seats on the bullet trainâŚwell, if the person behind me is one of you, I feel super relieved. Cause I can just recline that shit all the way back.Â
Ruki: But there are some people who worry about that, you know.Â
Reita: Well, maybe a little bit.Â
Ruki: I donât worry about it at all.Â
(Reita laughs)
Ruki: Especially if itâs a first-class car, people are more or less prepared for that.Â
Reita: You ride first-class?Â
Ruki: Yeah, of course.Â
Reita: Of course (laughs)
Ruki: Oh, shut up. Huhu. But if itâs first-class, itâs not that cramped [even if someone reclines their seat]. But in a regular car, it comes back pretty close, you know?
Reita: It does, it does.Â
Ruki: In that case, I would check.Â
Reita: If I was just gonna put it back a little, I wouldnât feel like I have to say anything.Â
Ruki: Ah, youâre not the type to say something?Â
Reita: Nope.Â
Ruki: Ah.
Reita: Well no, if the person behind me was a stranger, I wouldnât put it back in the first place.Â
Ruki: AhhhâŚ.
Reita: I would just have a sore back the whole time.Â
Ruki: I put it back right away.Â
Reita: Oh. And you ask?
Ruki: Yeah⌠well, I donât ask, I glance back at them.Â
(both burst out laughing)
Reita: Like youâre coercing them?Â
Ruki: No, no, no
Reita: You just look at them like, âIâm just gonna put this back?â
Ruki: I look back just to be like, ââŚsryâÂ
Reita: (laughs) But if youâre just putting it back a little bit, I think itâs fine.Â
Ruki: I mean, thereâs a lever to put it back and everything.Â
Reita: Yeah, so why do you have to go out of your way to ask the person behind you?Â
Ruki: HmmmâŚ..
Reita: I mean, if you were gonna put it all the way back, thatâs different. But I think you shouldnât be doing that in the first place.Â
Ruki: Well, you can only go as far as the lever lets you.Â
Reita: Okay, yeah, I guess.Â
Ruki: If it was a plane, though, I wouldnât like that.Â
Reita: Yeah, planesâŚ
Ruki: Yeah, planesâŚ
Reita: Cause you always fly business class, right?
Ruki: No I donât!Â
(Reita laughing)
Ruki: I never fly business classâŚNever.
Reita: If someone is behind me, I never recline my seat.Â
Ruki: Right? Same.
Reita: But some people do â I mean, and thatâs fine. Itâs tricky, ehâŚ
Ruki: It isâŚ
Reita: Oh, if youâre in the middle seat, and you have to get up to go to the bathroom, but the person beside you is sleeping with their legs stretched out, what do you do?Â
Ruki: I jump.Â
(Reita laughing)
Ruki: I jump right over them.Â
Reita: Oh, you do.Â
Ruki: I do. I hold onto the seat in front of me and go, boing!
Reita: Well, what else are you gonna do, right.Â
Ruki: And there are some times too where weâre on the same plane as fans.Â
Reita: Yeah.
Ruki: That complicates things, you know?Â
Reita: It does.Â
Ruki: It makes it hard to go to the bathroom.Â
Reita: Yeah, we canât goâŚa while ago on the world tour, I went to the bathroom on the plane, and when I came out a fan was standing right there with a paper waiting for me to sign it â an international fan.Â
Ruki: Ohâ I got one too. You know how we bump into fans at the airport? Why do they just stand off in the distance and look at us?Â
Reita: Well, theyâre probably thinking theyâre not allowed to come up close, arenât they?Â
Ruki: Nah, they can come talk to us, no? Like, âgood job guysâ or whatever. Like, Iâm not gonna ignore you.Â
Reita: Ahhh, yeah yeah yeah.Â
Ruki: Thatâs a real mystery, eh? I donât think that happens to other bands.Â
Reita: Really?Â
Ruki: It totally doesnât.
Reita: But yeahâŚthey definitely donât come up to us.Â
Ruki: Mhm â but when weâre on tour, I kinda get it. There are quite a few [fans]. Like in Sapporo, weâll see them on the plane, and itâs so intense, theyâre all just watching from afarâŚ
Reita (laughing): And they donât talk to usâŚmaybe they think they shouldnât bother us while weâre travelling?Â
Ruki: I wonder if they think thereâs some kinda rule like that, or they just donât wanna talk to us.Â
Reita: âŚProbably both? (laughs)
Ruki: Well, thatâs what I thought, but then in Sapporo, I was drinking milk.
(pause)
(both laugh)
Ruki: I thought no one was around, and for some reason I had my hand on my hip â
(both die laughing)
Ruki: Just drinkin my milkâŚand then a fan comes up like, âHello~â âŚLike why now of all times?Â
(Reita laughing)
Ruki: I guess I seemed approachable?Â
Reita: While you were drinking milk.Â
Ruki: I guess Iâm easy to approach when Iâm drinking milk with my hand on my hip.Â
Reita: It felt kinda comfortableâŚ.oh okay, what if you were approached by 50 people?Â
Ruki: What, like in a line?Â
Reita: Like, they all came and surrounded you. (laughs)
Ruki: What? After a tour?
Reita: After a tour.Â
Ruki: âŚI donât knowâŚItâs a mystery (*how the fans gather around them)Â
Reita: It is, but I think theyâre just being considerate of us.
Ruki: âŚBut they just look at us.Â
Reita: Ah, so it kinda bothers you?Â
Ruki: If I donât notice them looking, itâs fine, but when I see them and theyâre just looking at me and whispering shitâŚ
Reita: (laughs) Yeahh, it bothers me.
Ruki: It does, it does. Like wtf.Â
Reita: YeahâŚbut you know that just means weâre looking at them too.Â
Ruki: Omg tru â thatâs scary man.Â
Reita: ThatâsâŚâŚ..deep
(both laugh)
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