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Do you think the books will end this way as well? I just can’t see how they’d get to this point specifically with Jaime’s character, no matter how much GRRM explains it. Especially leaving Brienne like that, sleeping with her knowing that he’s going to leave her for Cersei immediately afterwards.

Do I think it will end that way for Jaime and Brienne in the books? No.

I think D&D are using GRRM’s plot points without any of his context, and sometimes with the wrong characters, and in the wrong order.

Brienne and Jaime are hit by four massive deviations:

Their current Riverlands/Vale/wherever (Stoneheart?) arc was dropped.

Sansa’s arc was altered. :/

Cersei as final big bad in the books? Laughable. I think it’s much more likely to be (f)Aegon.

The Night King in the books is a mythical/historical figure, and I don’t think there will be one central defeatable character to stop the threat of the Others. For that reason, I would be very surprised if the fight against the Others is wrapped as easily.

If I had to guess the Brienne and Jaime plot points that GRRM shared with D&D, they were probably:

Jaime and Brienne start banging

Brienne (maybe both of them) finds/helps Sansa

Jaime valonqars Cersei

Jaime & Brienne fight in the final battle against the Others

How their show story played out:

Game of Thrones overpowered Cersei for far longer than George will. This combined with the elimination of Jaime and Brienne’s post-Dance storyline meant that D&D were left to invent stories for both of them (although I wouldn’t be surprised if they both end up with Sansa), that did not include one another when they should have.

As a result, Jaime was left to circle Cersei’s orbit, subservient to her storyline, for far longer than he should have. They apparently found it easier to keep him from breaking up with her in order to make that believable, eliminating his discovery of her infidelity and leaving him in a state of arrested development with regard to their relationship that they only visited occasionally (in minor ways) when they needed some drama.

No disagreements between Jaime and Cersei were allowed to be serious enough for him to actually break ties with her. Partly because he was a useful tool in the plot they invented for Cersei once she seized the throne in her own right, and partly because they didn’t have anything else relevant to the plot for him to do. They were clearly just keeping him around for the final fight against the Night King. Brienne meanwhile did eventually find and serve Sansa (book plot point).

So we reach Season 8, and they send Jaime off to battle the Night King (book plot point), decide they may as well finally have him get with Brienne (book plot point), after all they laid the groundwork for their relationship starting in Season 2. Then once that’s all over, Jaime has to get back to KL to die with Cersei, probably because they couldn’t bear to have him valonqar her, if I had to guess. That is most likely a result of their intense fascination with their show version of her character.

How I suspect their book story will play out:

Jaime and Brienne (currently together in the Riverlands or wherever in the books) will play out whatever their Winds+ storyline is, which they definitely both survive. They will then part ways with Jaime returning to deal with Cersei and however many of their kids are still alive, and Brienne doing whatever with Sansa (taking her to Jon? idk). I would not be at all surprised if they start banging before they separate, but who knows.

Jaime “deals” with Cersei–possibly at KL, possibly at Casterly Rock–and probably ends up killing her or causing her death. I believe he outlives her (weirwood stump dream, lights). Jaime, probably with Widow’s Wail in hand, then joins Brienne and everyone else for the final battle in the North (and also has his long awaited Tyrion reunion). I believe Jaime dies in battle against the Others. Brienne lives in the books too, or I eat my hat.

The difference between the book and show Jaime/Brienne relationship:

Brienne and Jaime are written as soulmates in the books. Everything about their arcs is made to fit together like two sides of a zipper. George’s big joke is that it’s Cersei and Jaime who talk and look like soulmates, when it’s actually Brienne and Jaime who in every conceivable way complement one another.

Jaime and Cersei’s “romance” is a satirical send up like Romeo and Juliet, made to mock the silliest elements of typical melodramatic tragic love. It’s at the center of Jaime’s origin story, but theirs is not the story GRRM is telling in the books. I say again:

There is a reason Jaime doesn’t need a pov until he meets Brienne.

The imagery in Jaime’s weirwood stump dream of Cersei and her light leaving him while Brienne’s lit sword is the only thing standing between him and death is, to me, as clear as an author can be without flat out stating intended plot points about where ALL of that is headed.

If you think–for one moment–that Jaime and Brienne are not one another’s great loves in the books, you have failed utterly to interpret the narrative. Did GRRM assume that D&D would understand that the plot point of “Jaime and Brienne start banging” meant that they were consummating their soul deep love? Probably. Did D&D totally not pay any real attention to Jaime’s pov ever and probably never do anything but have their interns write summaries for Feast and Dance? Probably.

They clearly know JB is a love story, but in their minds Cersei is the center of the Westeros universe and it would be inconceivable for Jaime not to feel exactly the same way about her that they do. And hey, Jaime always will love Cersei in a way in the books, but I absolutely do not believe that love will ever EVER be to the exclusion of Brienne.

If you never really read Jaime’s Feast and Dance chapters, you might not understand exactly how far Jaime has moved on emotionally. I think they heard the plot point “Jaime valonqars Cersei” and just decided, oh tragic love! And I really do think that’s the explanation. Jaime and Brienne’s romance being the big central thing for Jaime’s character did not fit their version of Cersei’s story, and just did not compute with their understanding of his character.

(And never underestimate how much they really may have wanted to stick it to Nikolaj for harassing them for years about when they were finally going to portray Jaime’s real book story and love affair with Brienne. We know George told Gwendoline that Jaime and Brienne were his Beauty and the Beast. I have no doubt GRRM told Nikolaj the same. No wonder he kept playing Jaime toward that ultimate end.)

#i miss being on my jamiebrienne bullshit #jaime x brienne #i dreamed of you #asoiaf

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Michonne and Judith Grimes THE WALKING DEAD

#they mean SO MUCH to me #michonne #judith grimes #grimes family #twd

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btw stream baby, we'll be fine by ashcrashed on ao3 for towl era richonne and post towl grimes family excellence 👌

#PLS #this is so kind thank you 🥹🥹🥹#richonne #twd #the ones who live

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I feel like this sums up their dynamic. Cheeky vs suspicious side-eye 😅

#collecting my crowstiel crumbs #spn

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Yes this poll is very biased in favor of North America lol

#i watched nick and disney channel equally but i went with nick because i liked their original content better #oh but some disney channel original movies were so fun

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have you ever rick grimes'd and imagined richonne working out in au scenarios? we know their post-apocalyptic lives made them perfect for each other but otherwise idk - thoughts?

All the time! I love AUs in general! And considering the amount of AU fic in this fandom, I am far from the only one.

I am v much on the soulmates train with them and always have been and TOWL only empowered me more. So I can easily imagine them ending up together in any scenario.

I think the apocalypse is how they found each other and they're an amazing team in that context, but imo the things that make them work are just fundamental parts of their personalities.

#so true op #towl said here's what's up!!!#richonne #the ones who live

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THE WALKING DEAD | 7.05 "Go Getters" THE WALKING DEAD | 9.03 "Warning Signs" THE WALKING DEAD: THE ONES WHO LIVE | 1.04 "What We"

#i love this song.gif #richonne #twd #the ones who live

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I could have lived in peace (stayed warm in my bed) but my enemies (job that pays my bills) brought me war (e-mails i have to respond to)

#having an email excel meeting job is very cushy but i still hate working #i'm meant to be a woman of leisure

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two bros, both alike in sexuality

in a hot tub, where we lay our scene

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constantly thinking about this expression on michonne's face right before the kiss in 7x08, the relief and the pride and the joy. I have to think that seeing rick so broken and defeated was giving her awful flashbacks to mike giving up and losing andre as a result and it makes so much sense that she went off on her own and defaulted to self reliance because she can't go through that again. burn me once, etc. she was so scared she was losing rick to his own fear and even as she galvanized him with that speech she was probably terrified that it wouldn't be enough, that her partner was gonna quit on her again. and then he just! agrees! just like that! and in that moment she feels so validated in her love for him because she hasn't lost him after all, he listens to her and he's still with her. and this same expression on her face is mirrored in towl 1x04 when he finally verbalizes his trauma and allows her to get through to him. that look of there you are. I knew you were still in there. he proves to her that she is right to fight for him because even when he's terrified he comes back to her. something something you know why I fell in love with you? because you're a fighter. and you never give up.

#richonne #both times we see rick give up on the show he explicitly says it's because he's afraid of losing her.#so of course she's the only one who can get through to him #and both times she reminds him of who he is: 'we're the ones who live you said that'/'i know you and that is not how you love'#reminds him that they are partners in every sense of the word and he does NOT get to abandon her out of self preservation #and both times he snaps out of it once be realizes he is failing at being the man she loves and needs him to be #they are TOO FUCKING MUCH

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cas is actually freakishly good at cooking because he's an incredible chemist send post

#i've actually always thought cas would be a really great barista for this same reason #castiel #spn

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The Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live 1.02 "Gone"

#i LOVE the way he yells 'i love you' in that scene. just something about it.#i ALSO love the way she keeps her eyes open in that last gif #they are so special to me #richonne #twd #the ones who live

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LUCY LAWLESS in XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS Season 6, Episode 3, 'Heart of Darkness'

#maybe i should for real watch xena warrior princess #xena warrior princess

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thank you for writing and sharing it with us to begin with and for your kind words ❤️❤️❤️

btw stream baby, we'll be fine by ashcrashed on ao3 for towl era richonne and post towl grimes family excellence 👌

#trying to play it cool but i'm literally sitting here like ☺️🥹 because this made my day #your writing is so sharp and layered that you thinking my silly little posts are insightful is the real compliment tbh!!!#richonne #twd #fic recs #richonne fic recs

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okay but do you ever cry because Haymitch Abernathy

like do you ever just stop and think what it must have been like for him to have to mentor kids and watch them die, year after year, like the first year he was probably like “I survived, kids from 12 can survive, so maybe these two can” and he throws his whole heart and soul into it only to watch them die within the first couple hours

and the second year he’s like “that won’t happen again, no way” so he tries even harder and he coaches them and teaches them and then watches them die

and it goes on year after year, and sometimes he thinks “I know what my mistake was last year, I emphasized strength too much and cunning not enough” and then next year it’s vice versa and he tries different tactics but no matter what he does, the kids he’s trying to save always, always die

one year there’s a really smart girl who does really well and for the first time in years he has a glimmer of hope, and he teaches her everything he can think of and spends as much time with her to prepare her as physically possible, and she does well, so well, she makes it all the way to the last three Tributes only to die in some really stupid, bad luck, sort of way

so he starts refusing to go, but of course the Capitol won’t let him, they drag him out onto the stage and force him to go along with it and no matter how much he drinks to numb the pain it’s never enough

they can make him go but they can’t make him try, so eventually he stops trying

and the worst part is, he doesn’t even notice a difference, the kids still die whether he tries or not

this goes on for twenty-four years

and then Katniss and Peeta show up and he’s just like “lol nope” but then

then he realizes they actually have a chance, and he’s thought that before, there are other kids who have had a chance but still died, but Haymitch still picks himself back up, puts himself back together, starts approaching sponsors and trying to help them in the arena even though he knows they’re probably both going to die

but they actually win, and now they’re alive, but they’re stuck as mentors like him, and he’s honestly not sure which would be worse, because they’re alive but now they’re going to be broken down just as systematically and terribly as he was

IDK, I have a lot of feels, do you ever just cry because Haymitch Abernathy

#STREAM THE NARROW PATH BY FERNWITHY #thg #haymitch abernathy

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