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My thoughts on Security Breach

This post has taken me quite awhile, but I hope you all enjoy it! As usual, expect my focus to be blog relevant and I will analyze it with bias towards William and Henry while also discussing other theories. I don’t actually play stealth games, but having watched the likes of Markiplier and FusionZ play a good chunk of horror titles, I will give my thoughts.

Ultimately: This game was more hyped up than what we got.

I will seperate this post into a few categories, so you guys can read what you like. Willry/Helliam hints are in bold and italic like this.

Things I deemed especially important / titles of each section are in bold. Most of the stuff is not in any particular order. Either as a I discovered them or what fit to the flow of each point. There are several theories in this post.

Finally, if I make any edits after my initial post, I’ll provide an update log at the top of the post, under the cut. I think we will definitely discover more or more ideas will come to me.

MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS UNDER THE CUT INCLUDES ENDINGS, CUT CONTENT, AND THEORY DISCUSSION

Lore related items, some specifically relating to William or Henry:

One of the first items we get to see is this email, probably a reference to Dave Miller / William Afton in the novels. It’s even possible that he used this as an alias within the company. This could be a small Dayshift reference:

Credit: FusionZ: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvawiYhSk2Q

This note regarding Vanessa’s employment coming “from the top”, which is why I stated what I did above:

Credit: Dawko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gYrWlC84DA

This cute bunny poster in one of the rooms (I currently can’t locate a screenshot, but its a realistic white bunny, almost like a calendar)

This art on the doors. I think while chilling as Vanny, William had some fun:

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rj8pn0/what_does_this_picture_even_mean_any_idea/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

There is this Scraptrap arcade found later in the game. Nearby is also a machine with Clown Springtrap and Baby:

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rmjomp/i_guess_it_confirms_his_motives/

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rmk67c/i_havent_seen_anyone_talk_about_this/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

A Fredbear arcade:

Credit: https://twitter.com/GrigLager/status/1473540940593729537?s=20

In the lower levels, there is this table that clearly references the Afton family. The treasure box in the middle contains a Fredbear’s poster featuring Fredbear. This was gut wrenching for me and I loved it.

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/risx8b/spoiler_afton_family_finally_some_lore_mentioned/

I think this adds to the WillGrief theory immensely. I already addressed this when discussing one of the Fazbear Frights stories (that reveals Mrs. Afton may have died very suddenly--although, depending what you believe regarding the CDs at the end of this, she may have divorced him and then been murdered. I personally think the tapes are referring to William’s childhood and not Elizabeth’s/Vanny’s but more on that later)

To add to this, the Baby-Staff Bot is in the ice cream parlor NEXT TO Bonnie Bowl:

And the Bonnie / Shadow Bonnie Paper Pal is right behind this section in a hallway:

Credit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ofs53h3E8

There is also this door drawing that references FNAF 4. I even considered this could mean we play as Elizabeth in FNAF 4, but I didn’t wanna think about it too much. I DO think it shows it hurts William to remember his family:

Credit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJQIAZN9Tis

The Puppet Mask is in “The Blob” in the lower levels, as well as several other animatronics including Funtimes. This is probably a reference to FNAF AR (mass produced animatronics) as well as the Stichwraith Stingers, because my guess is it’s Puppet’s actual mask, but who knows? If you don’t count AR as canon, which is alluded to via Luis being referenced in the CDs/messages, then I don’t have a good explanation for the Blob masks. The Baby mask in particular would be Scrap Baby and the Molten mask was already withered in FFPS. I think the fact we have Puppet’s mask in some sort of amalgamation is a clear callback to the FF books and the defeat of Afton there.

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rjammi/full_picture_of_blobs_design_containing_more/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

The Pizzaplex is built above the Pizzeria from PizzaSim / FNAF 6, which we can already assume Henry repurposed Fredbear’s from before that because of the alleyway being the same in the previous games.

It appears to have fallen into a sinkhole, which is referenced in FFPS and SB:

“SINKHOLECONSTRUCTION UPDATE - Every day there’s a new problem. We pour a new section of track and as soon as it dries, we start to see cracks. I am worried we are building over a sinkhole here. Before construction was approved, there was a site evaluation, right?“

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rmyisp/the_pizzaplex_sinkhole/

Speaking of, I’ve seen people saying the elevator shaft was Mike’s way out in FFPS. It’s outside the Pizzeria to my knowledge, so it makes no sense (the escape route would be from inside Pizza Place...). I think this is probably left over from construction of the mall during a supposed inspection alluded to in Roxy Raceway:

Credit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7Ofs53h3E8

The Sister Location house-room as well as several other locations from VR exist in the Pizzaplex. I think these are attractions based on the games and don’t really hold any lore signifigance. If you believe in Mike!GlamrockFreddy, then I could see him somehow rebuilding the room he felt most comfortable in. Apparently there is proof of the SL house being near Fredbear’s (I think this is assuming the SL house and FNAF 4 house are the same... which I don’t)? I would have to look into this.

William appears as a smaller trashrabbit for the secret ending boss, sort of. It appears he may have done a number of things, such as more of Scraptrap surviving the fire than we’d expect (maybe he only burned some before finding the escape route?), finding a second Bonnie suit (sort of unlikely... he would have grabbed it during PizzaSim), or just excuse his appearance as a redesign/faded version of Glamrock Bonnie. I don’t know why blue would fade to yellow though. I think we can be 100% sure he was using Glamrock Bonnie in SB and this is where his endo comes from. I don’t have any screencaps ATM, but I think Bonnie was decommissioned and replaced with Monty because Afton used Bonnie’s endo as a base for his new form.

Edit: I wrote the above paragraph before we got a good look at Afton’s form. It seems to me only the foot is from Bonnie because it appears a different color, but it could be the lighting:

Edit 2: There’s evidence the HW Spring Bonnie official model was used for this design: https://twitter.com/FNAFL_M/status/1475526899858354183?s=20

There are some conversations where Glamrock Freddy says “There isn’t a rabbit animatronic... not anymore.” and the “I miss him.” line in Bonnie Bowl.

Notes explaining Bonnie being decommissioned and replaced with Monty are also obtained during the game.

Credit (from what I can tell): https://starpuppy59.tumblr.com/post/671062554558251008/spoilers-ahead-this-is-just-my

Glamrock Freddy has a bowling ball in his room in Rockstar Row:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rmyom6/freddy_misses_bonnie_so_much_that_freddy_has_his/

The Staff Bots in the basement / the notes: I think these are the children in the Mall MCI. We see experimentation on endos in the Parts and Service room and the notes allude to some form of sentience. The motif of crying eyes isn’t just used for the Puppet, but the missing children in general. I think William was continuing his remnant experiments on the kids using the endos, since he has an endless supply of these things. According to the files they’re called “Happy Fellas”

The notes say various things from “Why Is I” / “Hide” / “No Hide” / Binary, Happy Love, and more:

Credit: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rimowf/noticed_a_paper_with_binary_code_in_security/

Another thing I don’t see discussed are the hash marks:

Here, they appear in Pizza Place near one of Vanny’s hideouts, but they also appear in the room with the notes and IIRC, on the walls in the Parts and Service. I initially thought that these were the Mall MCI counting the days they may have been held, but I think it’s Afton counting down the days until he has enough power to revive (since he is using power from the Mall).

Afton’s death is similar to The Fourth Closet (I mean “if” he died, which isn’t shown and obviously he won’t lol)

To add to this, it’s been found there could be a corpse in Blob. It has to be Michael:

Credit: https://ffenton.tumblr.com/post/671251069913989120/huge-fnaf-sb-spoilers-ahead

I’m not gonna screenshot it, since there isn’t anything too crazy, but I’ll also say that there are 3 Princess Quest machines and completing them all let’s you view the Vanny Ending. It’s very anticlimactic. HOWEVER, in the game files the Princess is referred to as Cassidy.

I think when Glitchtrap was taken from the old parts, Cassidy tagged along as well but the two were seperated. Cassidy was trapped in the arcade, which Glitchtrap is confirmed controlling in-game through messages and the glitch in BB Arcade; and when you save Cassidy, you defeat Afton’s control and release Vanny. In turn, not only do you free Vanny, but Cassidy too. Cassidy followed Vannessa’s steps from HW, because if you remember, it was supposed to destroy Glitchtrap. (This still leaves Burntrap, but... it does defeat Glitchtrap in a way.) Finally, there is at least 1 arcade machine referencing Glitchtrap called Glitchy Maze (which totally sounds like a play on Fruity Maze) [See: the arcade pics at the top of this post] I think we will get an update to cover the remaining arcade games they planned, like the Chica one, and it will give more context to Glitchtrap not just posessing Vanny but also having infected all these cabinets (probably to keep Cassidy at bay, since Cassidy just wants to torture our bunny murder boi)

Vanny and Vanessa are the same. The Roof Ending does imply two, but I’m in the “it’s Vanessa’s soul unfreed” camp, considering the CDs, IMO, do not imply two of her and you know her soul is still there because you didn’t free her with Princess Quest’s sidequest. I think this entire ending is a jab at fans thinking there have been two of her for years now.

Having said that, this ending could be canon. Freddy’s eyes are yellow in two endings: Afton and Roof/Burn endings. One, if not both, are most likely canon. I don’t know the further ramifications of this, since it would imply x inside Freddy isn’t free either.

Before I move onto Freddy and the others, let me discuss Vanessa / Vanny and the CD ROMs and how I think they tie into William’s backstory and other theories. Here is a transcript (it’s a little inaccurate) of the first 14: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rjyzk7/sb_retro_disk_transcripts/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Although the last 2 discs were previously only attainable by hacking, as of 12/13 Steel Wool has moved their locations and all 16 are obtainable.

TAPE 3

T: I feel like i know your dad too, Bill right? Your dad’s name was Bill?

This is either referring to William or William’s father. We know it isn’t Vanessa’s father because of the final CD.

V: I try to do what I’m supposed to do

I think this is a reflection of William’s upbringing. Usually with abusive parents you have to walk on egg-shells and avoid conflict.

T2: What happened to her had nothing to do with you. Even though it was your testimony that did it. Was that testimony true? (silence) No I didn’t think so but your dad is to blame, not you.

This is referring to Vanessa’s[William’s] mother or Mrs. Afton. It depends how you view these tapes if it’s from William’s POV or Elizabeth’s POV. I think this could give William some interesting backstory. Being manipulated by one parent against the other is a good start to learning how to manipulate and lie to people yourself...

As we go through these tapes I am going to analyze them as we are hearing William and not Elizabeth. 1) Elizabeth is so overplayed in the books. I’m really sick of her and it’s very easy to infer on your own if you’d like to believe this. I think it’s a possibility even though I am not a fan of it. 2) If we analyze these as a look into William’s childhood it gives him some depth, and Hell, some characterization which he had absolutely zero of in SB. The closest we got to this was TFC.

TAPE 4

T3: You’re not going to talk to me? No whats the problem? Oh the flowers? Yes these are particularly fragrant today aren’t they? I’ll move them. There. Now lets see. What are you looking at, you're amazingly alert aren’t you? All right well I’d like to have you tell me about yourself but i can see that you’re not going to do that or are you? All right then, if you aren’t going to talk to me i’ll just go by these notes. You just sit there and be comfy or not. That chair doesn’t really fit you does it? well this won’t take long. Lets see your previous councilor is no longer available does that bother you? No, you don’t look surprised to see me sitting here instead of your last therapist. Well then let’s get to it. I’ll admit that some of what’s in your file is a little surprising. Overall you don’t come across as a trouble maker. But if you read between the lines, its clear that you have a little rebellious side right? And i’m surprised by your knowledge of computers your something of a phenom. Do you know what that means? It means you have unusual skill like a hacker. I assume you know what a hacker is. Yes. do you think of yourself as a hacker

This is where things get a bit confusing. General consensus is that the ‘46′ tapes are a child, possibly Gregory or even Vanessa as a child, and the ‘71′ tapes are adult Vanessa. I don’t like either of these theories, especially considering the allusion to the other therapists (which we later find out were murdered... Take a wild guess by who) The ‘46′ tapes are VANNY (William) and the ‘71′ tapes are VANESSA (not controlled / before being fully possessed)

Yes, the therapist is condescending. It’s more common than you’d think. I think the therapist is being petty due to Vanessa’s (William’s) attitude. Because the ‘46′ tapes seem to imply this is VANNY and not Vanessa, I think this is literally William fucking around. He doesn’t give a shit about a therapist; it’s way too late for that. This is all a game. He’s only here so he can continue to carry out his plan through Vanessa as Vanny. He is obviously skilled with technology as seen in Sister Location / being a creator of the animatronics. He made literal death machines and through Vanessa I’m sure he had more than enough time to learn some basic hacking skills.

TAPE 5

T?: I’m not talking about luis, you know who i’m talking about. Why won’t you open up about it? (silence) huh what you might not know is that this person who’s been sending you messages has been hacking into your personal files too. These are the same files i have here. These files are full of details about your life. Do you know what that means?

V: I’m not in the tech department, i just type on the computers.

T?: I know that but what matters here is that this person who is contacting you knows a lot about you

V: Lots of people know more than i do, sometimes i need to listen

Ahhh this is super interesting! This is discussing more about how Vanessa moved from IT to a security guard, which there is a message discussing this in SB. Glitchtrap quite obviously has been hacking her files to learn about her and communicating with her as we have seen in HW and the AR emails.

I think the last line is William showing through. As I discussed before, you walk on eggshells around abusive parents. One thing you’re gonna do is listen.

TAPE 6

T3?: Good morning, it's good to meet you. I’ve read your files so i’m up to speed on what you are your previous therapists have worked on. (silence). Sure you can have a candy. I’ll have one too. (rustling). You look chill sitting there like that not a care in the world huh? All right well I’d like to start by talking about your parents. What happened to them and you was tragic. But when i look through the notes i didn’t get a sense that you’ve processed that emotionally. When I read you account of what happened it came across as … well more of an objective rather than a subjective narrative. Oh sorry you don’t know what that means do you? What i mean is that the way you told the story is more like you were reading something from a book then you were talking about your own past that makes me think you’ve cut yourself off from it. Is that right? (silence) not sure? Well i see in your file that you spend a lot of time by yourself and are good at self-dialogue you know what i mean? Asking yourself questions and getting answers. So maybe you should ask yourself how you really feel about your past? Maybe you should give yourself a chance to really look at what happened and let yourself be upset about it. So you can let it go

Vanessa likes candy, it seems. I think the looking chill line is implying further posession by Afton, though. It’s not Vanessa not having a care in the world--it’s William literally not caring because he can’t care anymore. When Vanessa discusses her past, this is how it was dictated to her by Glitchtrap, which is why it comes across as a narrative and not a recollection. The self dialogue is either referring to William being a very lonely child or Vanessa talking with Glitchtrap.

This poor therapist; she really wants to help, but it’s too late. You can’t.

TAPE 7

T?: Hi Vanessa would you like a candy? Butterscotch today.

V: No thank you those have 35 calories a piece

William used to be fat. This is what this made me think of. Specifically pointing out the calories sounds like something a girl would naturally say, so perhaps he is trying to hide the fact he’s in control by coming up with a believable lie. As a bonus, this shows a resistance towards the therapist and makes her job harder.

T?: ... It looks like you’ve never taken an inkblot test right? No. okay. Then i’m going to show you some inkblots like this one and i want you to tell me the first thing it makes you think of. Here we go. What do you see here?

V: A tree house

T?: hmm it does look sort of like a tree house doesn’t it? Do you like tree houses?

Using the page as my source below, there is a reference to tree under Inkblot IV. (Paragraph IV lol...) which discusses this very relevant bit of info:

“The test person's response will be interpreted as his relations to his father, managers and other authorities.

It has also been interpreted as a tree with a somewhat odd appearance, maybe a Christmas tree.”

Sounds an awful lot like what we were discussing earlier, doesn’t it?

V: I like to sit outside and read

Again, I brought up William probably had a lonely childhood. He probably studied a lot or read as an escape mechanism early on.

As for the tree house, maybe he had one and that was where he hid from his abusive father.

T?: that’s good now what about this one?

V: a beetle

T?: really looks like a face to me. Thats very interesting

Something interesting about the faces on an inkblot:

“The Scream by the Norwegian painter Edvard Munch - It contains a scary detail in the center of the image. It may be difficult to detach from the face in the middle, but the outline may look like a rococo fountain. Interest in the detail in the middle will score on anxiety. It is best to tear oneself away from possible scary or erotic detail in the blot's center and try to interpret the silhouette and the whole. An inkblot can, for example, contain a miniature face or similar in the middle, reminiscent of the Norwegian painting "the scream". It's not good giving response to such details as a start; it may score on anxiety.“

In this case, instead of a face, “Vanessa” saw a beetle.

This could allude to anxiety, something Vanessa would have a lot of. I wonder if this is a twist on the earlier CD, where some of Vanessa is showing through. However, if we look at it from William’s POV, focusing on details also:

“ An attention to details can be interpreted as impulsivity or alertness, the ability to see what others are overlooking. However, if one looks at too many details, it will indicate a fascination with the mundane, rigid compulsive thinking and sometimes paranoia. “

I can definitely see this for William. Sounds a little sociopathic to me.

Source: https://www.dandebat.dk/eng-personkort.htm

TAPE 9

T?: What are you doing? Oh you like those. I do too. They smell so sweet don’t they? Apparently the janitor on this floor has a garden and has been putting bouquets in the offices here for years. Do you ever grow things? No?

V: I work a lot

William is a workaholic. We know this from TFC where it shows his personality regarding Elizabeth. He does NOT want to be bothered while working to the point he slaps her.

Not sure how to explain the flowers. This seems to happen before the earlier CD. You could go many different ways here... to this showing Vanessa coming through, to William perhaps being reminded of someone who had a garden (like his mother or wife).

T?: I know you do maybe more then you should. More free time would do you good. Do you have a hobby? (silence) No. perhaps we could find one for you like a sport? (silence) No. hmm. I have a craft space in my basement maybe i could come up with something you could learn to do?

V: I don’t like dark basements

I don’t really see how to relate basements to Vanessa, except for the fact that she’s been sleeping in PizzaSim during SB. For William, though, I can see him being locked in a basement for hours on end as a child as punishment OR this could be a reminder of his time as Springtrap after the springlock incident or even currently where his body is hidden in PizzaSim under the Pizzaplex.

TAPE 11

T?: That’s true, so on your breaks it looks like you were shopping for a costume you purchased some fake fur material. What are you going to make? (silence) what was that? Did you say the costume is a secret? Why is that?

V: i can’t talk about this he said he would always be watching. He could be here or there or anywhere between

This is obviously referring to the AR emails about Vanessa ordering the Vanny bunny costume. This is obviously a disguise for kidnapping kids. Vanessa is commenting on the fact that Glitchtrap is aware of her every move--you probably don’t wanna reveal why you bought a costume in this case.

T?: are you talking about your dad? Have those feelings come up again? I hate sounding like a broken record but this is something you really need to resolve if you’re ever going to be happy

V: I HAVE! I COMPARTMENTALIZED HIM! He’s locked away

T?: No thats not what i mean you can’t just ignore an issue you have to face your memory of the experiences and process them so you can let it go. So you don’t get triggered anymore. You can use this sort of self dialogue to release these things.

V: I don’t like doing that.

T?: hmm, well ,, okay, we’ll get back to that. I’d really like to know something about this costume. What’s it for?

William is never going to get over an abusive parent this late in the game. This does remind me of the end of HW. Vanessa gets locked away. I think it’s just a coincidence here, though. Perhaps William killed his father at some point (see: What We Found Analysis post), maybe locking him away somewhere. Or this is less literal and William has buried any memories of his childhood deep in his mind.

TAPE 13

(paper rustles) apparently i’m the fourth therapist you’ve had and apparently all three of your former therapists have gone missing or two of them are missing I don’t want to scare you but i have to tell you that one of them was found dead. (silence) That doesn’t seem to upset you. Well then i guess i’ll go ahead and tell you that the woman’s body was pretty messed up it looked like it was mangled by machinery. That doesn’t bother you either? Hmm it’s all pretty strange i think. I’m not clear on the circumstances apparently the police don’t have any evidence. How does all of this make you feel. Maybe i should be watching my back? Yeah thats funny isn’t it? Okay shall we move on to something lighter

I don’t think I have to explain this. Actually, it kind of sounds like the therapists may have been springlocked or thrown into the Pizzaplex machinery. Hell, if we even consider the theory of the Funtimes being remade for AR as canon, they have a variety of ways to kill, too.

TAPE 14

Do you know a place called freddy fazbear’s mega pizzaplex (silence) I’ll take you silence as a yes. And besides i know you know it because the technicians who work for pizzaplex know you or rather i guess it would be better to say that they think they do. They report that they’ve caught you on camera or at least it appears to be you. (silence). Nothing to say about that. Well the techs are convinced that you’ve hacked into their system many times (paper turning) Although I’ll admit I don’t see any proof here. Seems like they have more of a gut feeling than fact but apparently the hacks are causing all kinds of problems. Hmm you get a kick out of that the idea of techs running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Yeah that’s a funny image isn’t it.

Glitchtrap is infecting the system. William. Is. A. Killer. Of course he doesn’t care if he’s troubling someone, much less lowly technicians. I think it’s interesting they used this word specifically, as it calls back to the opening dialogue of Sister Location, when William is talking to two technicians... who later wind up dead IN Sister Location.

But seriously i have to say that i think it’s weird that you’d spend so much time in such a busy social place. You seem like more of a loner to me. Lots of time by yourself instead of with friends. Lots of time talking to yourself right. Is it the electronics you like.

William is used to putting on a front. Being in a social place as an adult, he can toy with and manipulate people. Or kidnap children. Or kill children. Ya know. Of course he would love electronics... the robots are his family.

I saw in your file that you have developed software programs that talk to you and repeat phrases right? The program asks you questions and prompts you for responses. It’s kind of like your own self therapy isn’t it? Another way of talking to yourself to work things out right? ... When i study this it sound like there is someone else responding to you. Who is it?

Just wanted to say the software programs remind my of Charlie’s talking heads in TTO. The therapist is again referring to Glitchtrap talking to Vanessa.

Another thought I had is wondering about that family table in SB. The one with the Afton family? Maybe what’s left of William’s humanity built them so he could talk to them again... because family is everything.

TAPE 15

I don’t have the transcripts pre-typed, so let me paraphrase tape 15 and 16.

The therapist is discussing more inkblot tests. The patient asks to hold the paper and says it reminds them of a mask. Therapist: Like a disguise? They make you feel invisible don’t they? Like you could get away with almost anything.

Obviously alluding to the Vanny costume. And Spring Bonnie.

The therapist moves on to discuss the technicians again and they say they witnessed Vanessa talking with someone or something [in some files]. They also say it looked like someone was ‘manipulating’ Vanessa. The therapist argues that Vanessa is the one manipulating people.

Well, who does this sound like...? William.

The therapist continues to say the techs pulled a screenshot of Vanessa from the security footage. She appears to be talking to someone with bunny ears.

This is either Burntrap (likely) or perhaps even Glamrock Bonnie (which is technically Burntrap, if you believe the theory Vanessa took GlamBonnie parts to rebuild Afton. Either way, she’s talking to William in some capacity.

TAPE 16

The therapist got another message from the technicians. This time it discusses the Glamrocks acting eerie, which is likely Glitchtrap infecting them or Vanessa’s code controlling them.

After discussing the infection spreading system-wide and some techno stuff, but currently it’s not super important. I think this is just further explaining that Glitchtrap is infecting the entire Pizzaplex and it’s because of Vanessa.

The therapist then reveals that all of Vanessa’s past was faked. Vanny refuses to look up from the floor as the therapist confronts her about her childhood being a fake story. (I like to think William finds this a little painful. Someone telling him his suffering is a lie.To further support this, the therapist calls out Vanny for “looking angry” about the confrontation on these facts and the fact that Vanessa’s parents and childhood were good ones. I can definetly sense William having jealousy here.) At the end of the CD, the therapist suggests returning to the subject another day, but Vanny shakes her head, and the therapist says “You act like that’s not going to happen...” Which means we all know the therapist was murdered and who did it.

FINAL THOUGHTS ON THE CDs:

So in conclusion, I like looking at these as Vanessa and Vanny/Glitchtrap/William. It makes more sense to me. It explains why the backstory is fake but also specific.

As I said before, Elizabeth is another alternative, but I’m pretty lazy to look over it in that context, since I really don’t care. I would love to see someone else analyze this that way, but then again you could just replace William’s father issues with Elizabeth’s father issues and get the same results. It’s just a matter of who you want to develop as a character. Frankly, Elizabeth has had so much screentime between TFC, Fazbear Frights, and Sister Location... I’d like to see us explore William before we kill him off for good.

Source of audio for 15 and 16: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rjr8uy/retro_cd_15_16/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

In one ending, Glamrock Freddy has a finger flamthrower and burns down the Pizzaplex. We all know who our favorite series arsonist is...

Below are some of Freddy’s most cryptic lines. I personally believe he is Henry. I know he could be anyone, but because Michael has to be in Blob and I’d suspect no one or Evan is in Gregory. I don’t think Charlotte is in anyone, and if she is it’s the Puppet mask (see: Fazbear Frights). I also believe the Staff Bots are haunted by the Mall MCI (see: basement notes in the lore above)

Credit:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g13WMrGWcto

Henry would have no trouble knowing this place. His daughter died there, he worked there with William, and he attempted to resolve everything there.

Admittedly, the ‘friends’ line makes more sense as Mike, but I think this actual Freddy talking. I think he’s alluding to the fact Vanessa brought him there and that was when he awakened / was posessed. If you remember, remnant attatches itself to nearby metal, usually animatronics. I think Freddy was brought down to PizzaSim for some reason by Vanny and came into contact with Henry (or Mike’s) “soul”/agony/remnant whatever the fuck it is now and possessed Glamrock Freddy.

FINALLY, here is a thread on Reddit that reveals all the (as of this time) cut content: https://www.reddit.com/r/technicalFNaF/comments/rlw9ic/found_a_ton_of_unused_scenes_dialogue_from/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Another thread on Twitter of cut content: https://twitter.com/mazOnTwt/status/1473448465661370377?s=20

The Cutting Room Floor wiki: https://tcrf.net/Five_Nights_at_Freddy%27s:_Security_Breach

Evidence of censorship, mainly pertaining to a darker story / themes being cut:

https://twitter.com/mazOnTwt/status/1475367848579158016?s=20

What’s left to solve? We may not have found everything yet despite data mines. For example, the Puppet items might be important: https://www.reddit.com/r/fnaftheories/comments/rm32vj/i_found_marionette_plushy_in_the_male_bathroom_in/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Chica’s arcade game was intended to be playable at one point. Data miners found the assetts but no working game. Some theorize you may need to play them “in order”. If I had to guess we would have to find the Glamrock Freddy, Chica, Monty, and Roxy arcades and then maybe even the Glitchtrap arcade.

Some arcades glow and we’re not sure why; this may relate to what I said above: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rkiwx5/glowing_arcade_cabinets/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

The cypher in the Sister Location Secret Room Room. It’s been decoded but it’s mostly some Afton-ramblings and instructions for the upgrades(?): https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rjpxs7/cd_room_cipheron_wall_decoded_maybe/hp59dwm/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Dawko’s video showing the revealed text: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYXi9evimPs

There are a lot of secrets we may still be missing. I’ll update this post as time passes.

General thoughts on gameplay:

I am not a person who normally plays stealth games, much less horror, so take this with a grain of salt from watching four Let’s Plays.

The gameplay is alright, if you ignore the bugs. There are some cool throwbacks (the Weeping Angel endos, some security office segments) and the coolest parts for me were early on for the most part: the Daycare, the Music Man chase sequence, the endos in the basement. This is when gameplay was unique and interesting.

Most of the game is explore through a ton of security bots, so many that you can’t even view the huge Pizzaplex that SW boasted about; reach a security office and do a task; obtain security card; REPEAT. This is dull and uninteresting and combined with the lack of story, there feels like there is no reward. Cutscenes should be added throughout to encourage progress, similar to when Vanny captures you. They don’t have to be CGI, even in-game models would be cool.

The animatronics AI are awful. They just teleport when you run into security bots instead of having an AI similar to say, the Alien in Alien: Isolation. If they actively wandered the entire Pizzaplex and kept tabs that way-- especially if Vanny and her meter had been INCLUDED--this would have made for a more terrifying romp. The fact that you can run through most of the game after enough tries without using the stealth mechanics OR THE MAP at all, shows how poorly designed the enemy placement and AI is. Although we get several points to hide, too, I barely saw that mechanic used. It was really intense when an animatronic was close and actually had the possibility to find you.

Speaking of the map. Freddy even mentions adding markers, which aren’t present to my knowledge. The map barely has any indicators at all and it’s mostly unlocked all at once. The map unlocking as you go would be more fun. Save points and a destination arrow (that can be toggled) are standard nowadays... I’ve seen some people argue for fast travel, which was a cut feature, but I don’t think it’s needed.

The flashlight recharge mechanic was good, but it mostly impedes your vision, which is moot once you get the first upgrade.

I think instead of losing Freddy for a good chunk of the game, the recharge stations should be further apart to make it stressful and give us free reign to use him, but also add to the stealth mechanic. Moon could be patrolling certain areas and yank you out. If we added Vanny to the mix, that would be another cool obstacle, especially if after she confronts Freddy, you could no longer hide inside him to escape her. Moon’s mechanic felt tacked on and it really obscured the screen. I think instead of plot progression, we could have time based like SW originally intended, but with some mechanic to “rest” (perhaps the recharge stations) that would pass you onto the next hour automatically in case you completed an area too quickly.

Boss fights. Non existent, really. You don’t even fight the animatronics, you just yeet them. I think having to lure Chica into the compactor, which alot of people tried to do, would be more engaging. Why didn’t we just use pizza to lure her? The monty mix always seemed dumb to me, but I’ll let it slide. Hell, we could even have to make a certain amount of pizzas in x time and like, overload her or something before she gets into the kitchen. Just anything more engaging! Roxy gets 20 seconds of a race before you smash her. Let us actually race and beat Roxy!!! This was confirmed to be cut. Monty? His battle isn’t even about golfing and you can’t even use the canons against him. It’s a “shoot this thing, then avoid, repeat” boss fight and it’s boring and absolute nightmare if you’re in the post-game trying not to die. I think beating them at they’re respective games would be more fun. General consensus loved the DJ Music Man fight. Why? Because it was engaging. We were running for our lives. The escape didn’t even run on too long to be tedious and I thought it was one of the better parts of the game.

General thoughts on the story:

The game leaves a lot of questions unanswered, which is typical of FNAF, but I think it’s to an extreme degree, for example, it’s alluded to Gregory not being human but never gets brought up again. The closest hint we get is that he may be one of the missing children: https://www.reddit.com/r/fivenightsatfreddys/comments/rj2oys/spoilers_was_watching_dawkos_video_showing_two_of/

This doesn’t explain his lack of parents in the Leave ending, though.

Another thing that Freddy brings up towards the end (secret ending path) is that the other his friends were trapped / missing and he wasn’t able to help them. At one point he was controlled like the rest, but not anymore. This could be implying different things. Namely, Freddy may be possessed and he was friends with the kids from the Missing Mall Kids. Some people think it may be Mike. I personally believe in Henry!Glamrock Freddy, but this is probably out of bias. I think if Henry was confirmed true, it would help alleviate how Afton’s ending completely destroys the ending of FFPS, which many are upset about.

Speaking of Freddy, my BIGGEST PET PEEVE OF THIS GAME is that there was NO pacifist route, no moment of reflection for Gregory to be like “I lied to you”, ect. We just... have to take the upgrades. Not being forced to take them and maybe unlocking something later to open the passageways would be cooler and provide a psuedo hard-mode for players. It’s also jarring when you get to the end and Freddy and Gregory are all buddy-buddy. They achieved sympathy for Freddy extremely well, but who cares when you’re playing a little shit who lies to the friend trying to save HIM? GIVE US OPTIONS and add to the characters! Hell, work it into the plot. Make the split THE POINT where we can suddenly NOT use Freddy for a period of time.

We don’t see Vanny/Vanessa talking to Glitchtrap or changing costumes or why she’s hunting Gregory (although that last point could probably be guessed that he’s a missing child that got loose). Outside the PQ games telling us what we already knew from HW/COD, Vanessa is just a static villain with almost no screentime. William gets even less screentime and no voicelines. He’s barely in the game at all as of writing this. In fact, William is confirmed to have lines in the trailer (see: Matthew Curtis post I made) and these lines were cut. His boss battle was short for the majority of players, there is no interaction with Afton at all, and he is “disposed of” suddenly and for no reason. I mean, wasn’t Molten helping Afton in the fight? I never got the impression he was being controlled and if he was, like... why not use VANNY or someone relevant for this spot? Give Afton the tentacles and have Vanny impede you? Like, this entire boss fight was so dumb. You know what people expected? Trash rabbit. Not even that, but the big boss fight we were previewed in the Stichwraith stingers!

To add more about gameplay here, JUST IMAGINE if we could use the “upgrades” in boss fights and defeat the boss in different ways. Or if the hide mechanic was useful to avoid a specific attack. Like... come on. Let us have to shoot a specific part of Afton, hide, and maybe then flash him with the camera to stun him or something! There’s so much cool shit we could’ve had instead of “FNAF 1 again because nostalgia” which was ALREADY PRESENT in other areas of the game.

Conclusion:

The only good thing here is the price point, around $40.00 USD, which is cheap compared to $60.00+tax normal games cost.

I think this game had a lot of wasted potential. The game was longer than expected, but lacked a lot of story and fights that would have made this God tier. Yes, there is DLC coming, but I don’t think that excuses putting out what ultimately feels like a padded game with almost no story. You can set up a sequel (or DLC) without leaving out the main villains entirely. The comic book style, overused aesthetic endings really, really pissed me off. It’s lazy. Give us cutscenes. This was billed as a AAA game and that’s what I’d expect. When we finally accomplish a difficult task and DO get a cutscene, the payout is barely worth it and rushed and comes off as a depressing end or teaser for our favorite villain. I’d rate this game a solid B based on everything I’ve seen. It just misses the mark.

How would I fix this? I would have Steel Wool spend a year making this game over with added story content, fixing the bugs, and providing DLC. Make a “definitive edition” as a free update for bait and switching the fandom by promising things in trailers and scrapping too much content.

Having said all that, no one denies Steel Wool worked hard on this game and loved this game. There may be things from the Scott drama to changing producers to even pressure from Sony or the pandemic that interrupted this game. The general consensus is the game got too big and had to be rushed out. You can make a game with passion, admire the devs behind that passion, but it doesn’t help when you end up with a half-baked cake with no icing.

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